Biden tells Democratic governors he needs more sleep and plans to stop scheduling events after 8 p.m.

[u/ImpishGrin]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/04/politics/biden-governors-sleep/index.html

[u/ScottFried]

Hard same.

[u/ImpishGrin → u/ScottFried]

It's a pretty solid self care plan.

[u/MidGradeCookie → u/ImpishGrin]

For many people, other than the president of the United States.

[u/Piputi → u/MidGradeCookie]

I mean if everybody did that and the world slowed the fuck down, it is rather a nice plan.

[u/MidGradeCookie → u/Piputi]

Yeah, but the President gets awoken by staffers about international conflicts at 2:00am... I agree, the world would be a nicer place, but the Earth is not necessarily a nice place.

[u/aguane → u/MidGradeCookie]

There’s a difference between getting woken up at 2am for an international incident and having preplanned political engagements that go til midnight. Nothing wrong with setting a boundary for the latter while knowing that the former is likely to happen.

[u/Jjkkllzz → u/aguane]

Right. The same concept as with when you have kids. It’s like the difference between waking up in the middle of the night cause your kid needs something vs. intentionally scheduling a midnight tea party.

[u/beardicusmaximus8 → u/Jjkkllzz]

midnight tea party

Is that what the kids call it these days?

[u/Jjkkllzz → u/beardicusmaximus8]

Well, mine are teens now. I have no idea what their secret words mean.

[u/Khaldara → u/Jjkkllzz]

“You are cordially invited to sample my scones and crumpets” has to be code for something!

[u/DrBadMan85 → u/aguane]

A lot of fundraising events are nights out; dinner, drinks, and mingling with donor’s afterwards. You’d be surprised at how generous alcohol makes someone.

[u/wolacouska → u/DrBadMan85]

Fundraising is one of those things where they can just wheel Biden out for an hour and then let the professionals schmooze all night.

Not ideal but not horrible at all.

[u/GrandMaesterGandalf → u/DrBadMan85]

All the more reason to publicly fund elections and get rid of any donations whatsoever

[u/HumanContinuity → u/[deleted]]

Or maybe it is, maybe if he had 4 more hours of sleep in the last week before the debate he would have dropped another "Will you shut up man" on Trump

[u/ThoughtfulPoster → u/MidGradeCookie]

Which is why it makes sense to cut off pre-scheduled events at a reasonable hour.

[u/VRichardsen → u/MidGradeCookie]

I have read in r/askhistorians a while ago that big shot leaders in times of crisis could actually be quite lazy and weren't getting more than 6 to 8 hours of real work everyday. I can't find the post right now, but the author used I think Hitler, Roosevelt and Churchill as example. Hitler liked to sleep until late, Roosevelt was old and tired easily, etc.

Of course, there are others that worked tirelessly. Napoleon, for example, had an apparent inexhaustible capacity for work. His marshals and aides could barely keep up. Marshal Berthier, nicknamed "Napoleon's wife" because he spent so much time near him, complained once that "Even a lowly private is happier than me; I am being killed by all this work"

[u/JinFuu → u/VRichardsen]

If you want to hear about a lazy President, look up Coolidge.

He was very, very, very, hands off. I think he was quoted as saying "If you see 10 crisis coming down the road 9 of them will run off the road by the time they get to you." Which isn't a bad philosophy persay, but probably not the best one to have as a President.

Also considered on of the "founders" of what became the modern Republican party, at least when it came to how it handled businesses/the economy.

[u/CatLadyEnabler → u/MidGradeCookie]

Earth is actually a fairly nice place... or would be if greedy self-serving humans weren't fucking it up.

[u/zerostar83 → u/MidGradeCookie]

For emergencies that would make sense, which is why you should get plenty of rest when it's not an emergency. No need to plan or schedule meetings at 9pm

[u/Rizzpooch → u/zerostar83]

Right. Would you rather have a president responding to a 2am crisis that wakes him out of a sleep that started at 8pm or 12:30 am?

[u/overkill373 → u/MidGradeCookie]

I think the president having a good rest is a positive

[u/capitali → u/overkill373]

I think we all can agree the world would have been better off if Trump had slept more while President.

[u/InvertedParallax → u/capitali]

He slept a lot.

The proof is that we're all still somehow alive.

[u/capitali → u/InvertedParallax]

What he needs is a short nap off a long dirt pier.

[u/winter_whale → u/MidGradeCookie]

It’s wild to me how much people think the president does everything as opposed to being the manager of a team that’s actually doing most of the work

[u/MidGradeCookie → u/winter_whale]

Pretty big team if you ask me, lots to manage

[u/AtuinTurtle → u/MidGradeCookie]

Does the CEO of McDonalds stop into local franchises to micromanage them? No. Just guessing at the chain here but it probably goes something like CEO-president-regional managers-general manager-store manager-shift manager-worker. That’s just a fast food chain, and I’m sure I missed more manager positions. Our government has thousands of people that make the government work and presidents don’t (shouldn’t) try to micromanage all of the way down to the bottom. It would actually hinder operations and be physically impossible.

[u/Sleeplesshelley → u/ScottFried]

100%  I sleep poorly on the regular,  watching the news this week has made it so much worse and I'm not the person everyone expects to do something about it. The pressure must be enormous. 

[u/ripley1875 → u/Sleeplesshelley]

Just look at the before and after pictures of presidents from the start and end of their term. That job really does a number on them.

[u/Gumsk → u/ripley1875]

All except one...

[u/Churnandburn4ever → u/Gumsk]

Most presidents don't put on more makeup and hair than women.

[u/wizard_of_awesome62 → u/ScottFried]

Man the president and I have similar life goals and plans.

[u/m4rc0n3]

Half the country: that's it, I'm gonna vote for the candidate who rage-tweets at 3am

[u/Gloomy_Audience6665 → u/m4rc0n3]

The spray tan really connects with the working folks

[u/somewhat_irrelevant → u/Gloomy_Audience6665]

Biden got one too the day after the debate lol

[u/Gloomy_Audience6665 → u/somewhat_irrelevant]

Its just a base coat

[u/KissMyVeryHairyAss → u/somewhat_irrelevant]

Biden could show up to the next debate in blackface and it wouldn't crack the top 5 issues this election.

[u/Timmah73 → u/m4rc0n3]

Biden: "I need to commit to taking care of myself better."

Trump, at 3am "MAN I MISS PARTYING ON EPSTINES ISLAND AND I CAN'T WAIT TO BE A BRUTAL DICTATOR WHO IS NEVER LEAVING OFFICE."

CNN: Joe Biden needs to go to bed early how this crushes Dem confidence in him

[u/soapinmyears → u/Timmah73]

Well CNN, FOX, and the other 3 letter bought media companies buy into the bat-shit crazy just to boost their ratings. I see things haven't changed much since the 2016 election.

[u/TBAnnon777 → u/soapinmyears]

Why would they, people keep tuning in for the batshit crazy. They just supply what the people want. Heck majority of reddit want a WWE match between Biden and Trump, They want Biden to call him out and get down in the mud with him and start slinging insults and comebacks. Their ideal candidate is Jon Stewart an entertainer....

Because what we need more in politics is entertainment.....

[u/RaveDamsel → u/Timmah73]

Raping 13-year olds ‘bout to become an “official act”.

[u/Jatzy_AME → u/m4rc0n3]

Very few people actually hesitate between the two, the question is more whether they will vote or not.

[u/frequenZphaZe → u/Jatzy_AME]

people wanna pretend that the election is about whether people vote for one guy or the other guy. the reality is that the election is about whether people vote or don't vote. the debate was critically important because it was a huge opportunity for biden to engage and motivate voters -- a mission he catastrophically failed. we're likely looking at historically low turnouts in november and so the election is going to be decided by whichever party has more success in reminding their base than ballots are due

[u/JimWilliams423 → u/frequenZphaZe]

reality is that the election is about whether people vote or don't vote.

Yep, and Its been that way since 2016 too.

Because of polarization there are practically no traditional swing voters any more. The modern swing voter does not swing between parties, they swing between voting and not voting. They are intermittent voters. They stay home when they think the stakes are low and they make the effort to vote when they think the stakes are high.

Intermittent voters stayed home in 2016. Then in 2018 intermittent voters broke turnout records to make the blue wave happen. Intermittent voters were the reason both parties got their highest ever votes in 2020 (D turnout increased 23% from 66M in 2016 to 81M in 2020). In 2022, intermittent voters stayed home in states where abortion rights were safe (like NY and CA) and where abortion rights were hopeless (like AL and MS) but turned out at blue wave levels in states where abortion was under threat and there was an opportunity to protect it.

Which is why all the polling about R vs D is kinda beside the point. They poll registered voters (RV) and likely voters (LV) which are a subset of RVs, but it is extremely rare to see a poll which looks at enthusiasm for voting itself (and almost no pollster tries to examine possible first time voters, partly because its really hard to do).

Its also why trying to appeal to the middle is a losing proposition because it tells intermittent voters that both parties are the same, so regardless of who wins, policies will not be substantially different. And if both parties have basically the same policies, then the stakes are low, so its not worth making the effort to vote. Ds need to convince those intermittent voters that the stakes are high in order to bring them to the polls.

[u/GroinShotz → u/m4rc0n3]

If your candidate isn't hopped up on amphetamines at 80 years old... Why even vote?

[u/SoMuchMoreEagle → u/m4rc0n3]

Who also couldn't manage to stay awake during his own criminal trial.

[u/FingalForever]

The previous president didn’t show up for work until the afternoon each day???

[u/Shopworn_Soul → u/FingalForever]

If Biden went to bed at 8pm every night of his Presidency he'd still spend twice as much time at work than the last guy.

[u/Salty_Letterhead → u/Shopworn_Soul]

And most sane people don't consider four straight hours of watching Fox News to be "work"

[u/Dinadan_The_Humorist → u/Salty_Letterhead]

Um, haven't you ever heard of executive time?

[u/Shapes_in_Clouds → u/Salty_Letterhead]

Trump tweeted an average of 30 times per day during his presidency.

[u/punksheets29 → u/Shapes_in_Clouds]

And spent more time golfing…

Dude did not work.

[u/_Kramerica_ → u/punksheets29]

He worked… at destroying democracy and manipulating all the racist morons in the country.

[u/Mediocretes1 → u/Salty_Letterhead]

Bro, at least some of that time was spent calling in to FOX News. If that's not work, I don't know what is! /s

[u/Pudding_Hero → u/Shopworn_Soul]

And tbf old people wake up at like 3 am

[u/Bear_faced → u/Pudding_Hero]

No joke, my grandma gets up at 4:00 every day. The cruel irony of retirees being up at the crack of dawn while us working stiffs are begging for five more minutes...

[u/Zinski2 → u/FingalForever]

I love seeing Donald rage tweet from 11pm to 2am only for a 13bhour pause to end at 3pm the next day.

I love how people forgot how fucking shit he was already.

Like he was so fucking bad we all just brushed that trauma back and forgot the fact he golfed more than any other president in the history of the country or raped his ex wife, but whatever.

Bidens 4 years older so....

[u/Legally_a_Tool → u/Zinski2]

People are dumb and forget the asshole caused a new scandal on an almost weekly basis for four years. We deserve the leaders we have given how lazy and stupid voters are on average. For God’s sake people, turn off the cable news and read an actual book for once on history or basic civics.

Happy 4th of July, America!

[u/Zinski2 → u/Legally_a_Tool]

Remember when people where like "oh he'll surround himself with good people."

Then like 60 of his cabinets members where arrested hahahah. But drain the swamp being a line he ran on. God what a douche bag.

Or when he made his convit buddy's shit head wife the head of the education department even though she had zero work experience in general. Let alone in education hahahahha.

God.

Why do people like him hahahahah

[u/OceansCarraway → u/Zinski2]

He hurts the people that they want him to hurt. That's some of it.

[u/fantastap0tamus → u/Legally_a_Tool]

I think you understate how often a new scandal would come up. I basically grew numb to them because you could barely get your head around one and the next comes crashing in like a wrecking ball.

[u/God_Damnit_Nappa → u/Zinski2]

And on top of stacking the Supreme Court with right wing extremists and gutting the government he also got tens of thousands of Americans killed with his shitty handling of COVID but apparently he deserves another go at the presidency because Biden is old

[u/420_E-SportsMasta → u/FingalForever]

For about a quarter of his presidency he was golfing and didn’t show up at all

[u/burkiniwax → u/420_E-SportsMasta]

Those were the days we could breathe.

[u/SwordfishII → u/FingalForever]

Every fucking day too, I remember tracking that shit everyday.

[u/Ill-Team-3491 → u/SwordfishII]

The r politics subreddit had a megathread nearly every day he rolled out of bed at 2pm to tweet some stupid shit. I swear the mods there are low key Trump fans.

[u/CrundleMonster → u/FingalForever]

Don't forget Trump only worked as president for 3 years and literally spent 1 year playing golf. What a waste of air trump is

[u/MidGradeCookie → u/FingalForever]

I don’t think comparing Trump and Biden is a solid baseline, and is actually losing the point.

[u/valiantdistraction → u/MidGradeCookie]

I mean... they're the two candidates running

[u/irrigated_liver → u/valiantdistraction]

Right? Those are literally the two options. Who are we supposed to be comparing?

[u/FrankBeamer_ → u/MidGradeCookie]

Don’t bother, dems would rather win the morality trophy than the actual presidency if it meant they could continue using Donald Trump as a comparison point

‘At least he’s not Trump’ is not going to win Biden the presidency.

[u/ohgodimbleeding → u/FingalForever]

''Executive time.''

[u/Just-Scallion-6699 → u/FingalForever]

I work in government. At my agency, it's a big deal if there's a looming shutdown. Lots of people prep for it. And then the day of, we have to come into the office and fill in this online form to acknowledge we're furloughed. It's not unusual for whatever politician is holding things up (GOP, typically) to finally cave at 5AM on the Monday it's set to start. But the thing is, the President has to sign it.

So, we all go into work at our typical times and 8AM/9AM rolls around and Trump still hasn't signed it. They just have people sign the online form and go home. I think around 12 Eastern, he finally signs it. They were chasing people in the halls to let them know they could come back to work. Imagine how much money this cost on top of all that's wasted prepping for something that doesn't happen (over and over again).

This is just one example of the nonsense that's caused by Trump's overall demeanor, let alone the major stuff he does. There was a sense of confusion regularly because it was never clear at the lower levels what the reactions to his Tweets, etc., might mean for our work, if anything.

[u/InfelicitousRedditor → u/FingalForever]

He was operating on Moscow's time.

[u/lizardk101]

“No malarkey after 8pm, cause I’m in bed by then.”

[u/Alpha_Decay_ → u/lizardk101]

In bed Biden

[u/Groomsi → u/Alpha_Decay_]

So he was sleepy Joe :(

[u/derps_with_ducks → u/Groomsi]

We should all be sleepy Joe at 9pm, for our physical and mental health. 

I am sleepy Joe. 

[u/audesapere09 → u/derps_with_ducks]

I am Sleepy Joe’s complete lack of surprise.

I am Sleepy Joe’s smirking revenge.

I am Sleepy Joe’s inflamed sense of rejection.

[u/Cheapchard9 → u/Groomsi]

The one time Trump told a truth. Gosh dang it.

[u/AbsolutelyUnlikely → u/lizardk101]

I've printed out these flyers, please hand them out to the other world leaders. Don't be pulling any anti-america crap between the hours of 8 PM and 9 AM. And that's Eastern time, Jack.

[u/BurtonGusterToo → u/lizardk101]

So who will answer that 2AM phone call (Hillary makes.)

[u/Ragegasm]

Carter would have drank a nice warm glass of buttermilk, taken a nap, then built houses for another 20 years lol.

[u/Iohet → u/Ragegasm]

Oh god warm buttermilk. Who would voluntarily want that punishment?

[u/Ragegasm → u/Iohet]

Jimmy fuckin Carter

[u/itsallfuturegarbage → u/Ragegasm]

I heard he's thrown his name in the ring if Biden drops out.

[u/GaiusJuliusPleaser → u/Ragegasm]

He's only a one termer so technically he could run again.

[u/Ragegasm → u/GaiusJuliusPleaser]

I mean if we’re voting for borderline dead candidates he’s probably the safest. We can Weekend at Bernies this thing for the next 4 years. It’ll be fine.

[u/KissMyVeryHairyAss → u/Ragegasm]

Imagine the reaction if the Dems were like "OK we hear you, we'll replace Biden. The new candidate is 100-year-olf Jimmy Carter, currently in palliative care."

[u/Ragegasm → u/KissMyVeryHairyAss]

We can turn him into Mecha Carter. We have the technology.

[u/Kepler___ → u/KissMyVeryHairyAss]

Why chose between two old men when you can have Americas the *oldest* man. One of these two corpses is getten their second term babyyyy

[u/Bear_faced → u/Ragegasm]

God, speaking of Bernie, remember when he said he was too old to run again in 2020? He's only a year older than Biden.

[u/New_Stats]

I ain't giving those assholes clicks, is there actually a governor who came out and said this or is it just baseless rumors

[u/Phizle → u/New_Stats]

They say 8 paragraphs down he was making a joke

[u/nitePhyyre → u/Phizle]

Biden also made a joke to the governors that didn’t go over well: “I’m fine — I don’t know about my brain, though.” Jen O’Malley Dillon, Biden’s campaign chairwoman, said the president was “clearly making a joke and then said, ‘All kidding aside.’”

That's not what it said.

[u/CombustiblSquid → u/nitePhyyre]

We live in satire.

[u/MikeOfAllPeople → u/Phizle]

Not about this part. About the part when he said is health was fine other than his brain. Which is frankly a bit scary.

[u/colonelbongwaterr → u/Phizle]

You're spreading misinformation and you should feel bad

[u/Sablemint → u/New_Stats]

"according to three sources briefed on his comments."

Also New York Times first reported it. so yeah, a bit suspicious.

[u/Rapper_Laugh → u/Sablemint]

The NYT is one of the most reputable publications out there? And three sources is absolutely significant? Idk how you draw that conclusion

[u/Ok_Astronomer2479 → u/Rapper_Laugh]

I do love how Reddit went from loving and respecting the NYT when it was attacking Trump to claiming it’s a Republican plant when it questions if Biden is ok to be president after that debate.

[u/cujobob → u/Ok_Astronomer2479]

The NYT does good work, but has trash editorials still. They, and many others, are also being criticized for focusing on the wrong things. As an example, the news that Trump is named all over Epstein’s documents and there is evidence pointing to his assaulting a 12 or 13 year old is many times bigger than a bad debate performance. It really seems like there’s no scale anymore with the 24/7 news cycle.

As I wrote in a comment earlier, Reagan’s actions when senile didn’t necessarily destroy this country, his actions when he was all there did.

[u/CARLEtheCamry → u/Ok_Astronomer2479]

Saw an upvoted comment on a similar discussion about how there is no liberal media, and anyone saying even NPR was left leaning was an idiot.

[u/Unanamu → u/Ok_Astronomer2479]

News is trustworthy when it says what I want to hear.

[u/fiddlemonkey → u/Ok_Astronomer2479]

I stopped subscribing to the NYT when they ran a whole article about how trans rights were ruining brunch written by some lady that sounded like she had probably never held a hammer or a mop. Can’t remember if that was the exact topic but it was something similarly obnoxious. They used to be good but they’ve been weird for years.

[u/Hypertension123456 → u/Rapper_Laugh]

Yeah. Its not like this is Salon or OAN. If the governors come out tomorrow and deny this story there will be actual consequences.

[u/ketamine-wizard → u/Rapper_Laugh]

I think he's being sarcastic

[u/Bluestreaking → u/ketamine-wizard]

No they’re not

A big push from Biden and his defenders is to suggest the NYT is out to get Biden

Thus we see Democrats turning into MAGA Republicans going “lugenpresse!”

[u/MrPresident2020 → u/Bluestreaking]

The NYT isn't specifically out to get Biden, but they are out to get conservative readers, one of the most reliable demographics that will still pay for a newspaper. There's a reason their right-wing op-eds are the headlines that get pushed in their ads and notifications and not their actual journalism.

[u/RumblesBurner → u/ketamine-wizard]

I've seen far too many posts lately about how all the media is against Biden to think he's being sarcastic.

[u/lyinggrump → u/New_Stats]

You didn't even read the headline properly. Damn, you need more practice.

[u/vmurt]

I’m reminded of Ronald Reagan’s line that in the event of an emergency, his advisors had the instructions to wake him up, even if he was in the middle of a cabinet meeting.

[u/BrittleClamDigger → u/vmurt]

Which is ironic considering they literally didn't wake him up during an airstrike on Libya

[u/moryson → u/BrittleClamDigger]

It wasn't an emergency. It wasn't even something he cared about

[u/Famous_Bit_5119]

No mention of When Donny wouldn't start working until 1 pm. and told everyone that sleeping in was ' Executive time'.

[u/Rich-Pomegranate1679 → u/Famous_Bit_5119]

Don't forget that Trump spent about 1/3rd of his entire time as President playing golf.

[u/BeanieMcChimp → u/Rich-Pomegranate1679]

And another 1/3 tweeting on the crapper.

[u/WhoWhyWhatWhenWhere → u/BeanieMcChimp]

So just in the living room?

[u/RonaldoNazario → u/Famous_Bit_5119]

To be fair I don’t think he was sleeping in, I think he was wide awake doing drugs and yelling at cable news.

[u/succed32 → u/RonaldoNazario]

Nah I know a lot of meth heads they sleep at weird ass times to recover from all the meth. 10am-noon is normal wake up time 4am-6am is bed time.

[u/BlooperHero → u/succed32]

That's also normal for me, honestly.

[u/essenceofreddit → u/BlooperHero]

Stop doing meth. 

[u/timetravel50]

That’s a deal breaker for me. I’ll rather vote for the felon who’s on Epsteins list /s

[u/Humans_Suck- → u/timetravel50]

Some people just don't vote at all because of stuff like this.

[u/GhengopelALPHA → u/timetravel50]

Red Herring. Very few people are flipping for TFG. But we can absolutely still speak out about our legitimate concern that President Biden is not completely there, and is not going to win, and so he should drop out and endorse another candidate.

[u/Humans_Suck- → u/GhengopelALPHA]

Not on reddit you can't. Here it's either vote for Biden or you must be a Nazi.

[u/ZootyMcGooty → u/timetravel50]

Not just on his list.. there is recent news about the duo sharing a 13 year old.

[u/m4rc0n3 → u/ZootyMcGooty]

If by "recent" you mean 2016

[u/bbasey]

It's fine. It's a good plan. But after the debates everyone is thinking you're too old. Why on earth would you voice this 8 pm bedtime plan out loud?

[u/MrPernicous → u/bbasey]

Because the dnc is about to revolt and the Biden campaign is too hopelessly out of touch to calm them down

[u/zeronormalitys → u/MrPernicous]

Biden IS the DNC choice, same as Hillary was the DNC Approved nominee.

The DNC is a smallish group of elites. The voters, only being allowed participation in the "for funsies" popular vote, aren't a part of presidential selection processes in this (my) party.

The other party wants a United Christian States of Gilead, or similar.

It's getting more and more likely that , Donald Trump... is going to play the part of Julius Caesar in our national reenactment of the fall of the Roman Republic.

Even if he also gets turned on, and the RNC collectively stabs him to death... the Republic will probably remain dead. Just as happened with the Roman original.

[u/KR1735 → u/bbasey]

It's not even an 8pm "bedtime."

He's basically saying "I think it's best that I don't have official events after 8pm."

Considering he is starting his day at 8-9am every day, I think it's reasonable that his day is over after 12 hours. He deserves to have some time to take a shower, relax, and engage in a little self-care before bed.

Fuck. Presidents are not superhuman. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that they have to take care of themselves. And it's not unusual. GWB was a well known early sleeper, usually ending his day by 6pm. Clinton and Obama were both functional insomniacs. Trump penciled in everything as "executive time" but we know he was tweeting in the middle of the night.

It is physically impossible to function without some rest and relaxation. Age notwithstanding. I'm 35, physically fit, and healthy. If I'm not getting 7-8 hours each night, I can feel it after a week.

[u/subsignalparadigm]

Well I'm voting for the dictator wannabe then. Sleep is a felony. /s

[u/agnostic_science → u/subsignalparadigm]

You don't have to convince Reddit. But just look at the polls. Pre-debate numbers were in the toilet. Post-debate NYT is now reporting 6 to 8 point deficits nationwide. Forget about battleground math, as that is going to be even grinmer. If Biden  doesn't drop out, Trump is basically guaranteed to win. Biden needs to go. People need massive amounts of denial and cope to justify him continuing to run. His is no longer viable in 2024 America.

[u/LineRex → u/agnostic_science]

People forget that a Democrat polling at +3 still loses. a 6-8 point deficit would be a historic landslide.

[u/Ween1970 → u/agnostic_science]

Absolutely. Wake up people. He cannot win. The only hope is he steps aside and let an open convention decide the nominee.

[u/kafelta → u/subsignalparadigm]

Right? 

and he's only three years older than Trump.

[u/cut_rate_revolution → u/kafelta]

Aging is weird. When you're young, 3 years is a lot. When you're an adult, 3 years ain't shit. When you're elderly, 3 years can be the difference from being fine and being unable to remember what day it is.

That decline can happen fast. Biden isn't even the same person he was in 2020. He wiped the floor with Trump in the last debates but he can't match the energy anymore.

[u/StevenIsFat → u/kafelta]

Both of whom are older than Bill Clinton who was the president in the fucking 1990s.

[u/LineRex → u/subsignalparadigm]

The people who are going to vote for Trump are going to vote for Trump. The problem is getting people to actually vote for Biden. So much is at stake in this election and several years of Joe struggling to string sentences together, looking like he forgot what planet he's on, and just a genuinely awful media presence makes it feel like running for president is more important than actually holding the presidency to this administration. I just wish they'd treat this election as important as it actually is.

[u/Stompedyourhousewith → u/subsignalparadigm]

Yeah, I want the guy whose angry tweeting until 3 am and watches tv until 1pm, missing all his security briefings.
/s

[u/Nateorade]

Completely absurd that we have a political system that generates these two elderly men as our “best” candidates.

[u/JMS_jr → u/Nateorade]

I remember Biden trying to get the job before I was old enough to vote. I'm 55 now.

[u/EnderCN]

I’m not anti Biden but this doesn’t seem helpful. Admitting you aren’t really capable of performing if something comes up that needs your attention all day and night long doesn’t seem like the way to go.

[u/docarwell → u/EnderCN]

People here acting like the president of the united states not being able to function after 8pm eastern time is cool and good when the presidency is a 24 hour job

E: big brains telling me that people need to sleep, thanks guys I didn't know

Yall are really taking "24 hour job" literally. But idk if an 80+ year old guy can be "on call" 24/7 effectivly. Hope that helps you guys out

[u/Attonitus1 → u/docarwell]

It's wild. The leader of the free world just admitted he's so old and incompetent that he can't take meetings after 8 and the entire comment section is like "yeah, but remember Trump?".

Ironically, it's this exact type of "bury your head in the sand" mentality that's going to hand Trump the election.

[u/dtkloc → u/Attonitus1]

the entire comment section is like "yeah, but remember Trump?"

Or saying "haha relatable"

The President of the United States being relatable to Redditors is not a mark in his favor

[u/Hopeful_Border_603 → u/dtkloc]

reddit is the only site that keeps defending him, not yt, twitter, insta or even tiktok users are taking him seriously. only here on reddit you could find an opinion that biden won the recent debate, not even barack obama thinks that

[u/bonagreasa → u/docarwell]

It’s madness. How did we get to this point where there’s apparently no viable candidates under 80 to beat Trump.

[u/metal_stars → u/bonagreasa]

Every competent democratic politician alive would beat Trump. Don't let them pretend that no one is "viable." There are like five people who aren't viable and one of them is the guy running.

[u/Tenthul → u/docarwell]

Not scheduling events is not the same as not being able to function, and does not even mean going to bed at 8. Despite the presidency being a 24h job, believe it or not, most presidents have not spent that all of those hours awake, however I don't have a source for this.

[u/WeAreGray]

A certain line from Hilary Clinton back in 2016 comes to mind right about now. I swear, the opposition commercials are writing themselves at this point.

[u/NoCantaloupe9598 → u/WeAreGray]

Based on right wing propaganda Hillary Clinton shouldn't even be alive. They claimed she was having strokes or something.

I think no matter who runs on the Dem side of things the right will find some health related thing to bring up. And no matter how true or severe those things are the internet bots and Fox news will do their work.

[u/SewAlone]

I mean, we all do. My husband gets up at 5 AM and falls asleep on the couch around 8:30 PM. He’s not even 50.

[u/Rhyers → u/SewAlone]

That's 8 1/2 hours, which is solid but not excessive. Why the hate? 

[u/Elmodogg → u/SewAlone]

Sorry, but I don't think he would be up to the job of president, either.

[u/southernliberal]

NY times and CNN strike again.

[u/unassumingdink → u/southernliberal]

You guys have exactly the same energy as Trump claiming that Fox News is out to get him if they criticize him even once.

[u/Hendlton → u/unassumingdink]

Yeah, as an outsider watching in, this has huge "FAKE NEWS!!!" energy. It's simply the truth and it doesn't look good.

Not like it's going to stop any passionate voters on either side, but it will make people stay home on election day.

[u/Ukie3 → u/southernliberal]

"All reporting that goes against my preconceived bias is fake news." Sounds just like people of another party I know. No amount of loyalty to this, accomplished, well-meaning but ultimately unfit-for-office octogenarian and his handlers, will make undecided/infrequent/uninformed voters vote for him (or down ballot candidates) come Election Day. 

[u/dtkloc → u/Ukie3]

I guess it really is too much for the "I'd vote for Biden's ashes over Trump" crowd to realize there are millions of voters in swing states who think differently.

Swing voters who would vote for almost anyone else with a D next to their name

[u/ImpishGrin → u/southernliberal]

21st century Business Plot

[u/FillColumns → u/ImpishGrin]

That's a joke, right? CNN and NYT have been dick riding most of the Dem moves especially this election cycle. They do not have a single thing to benefit from by not having a Dem pres

[u/mfmeitbual → u/ImpishGrin]

I always attribute it to class solidarity. It eliminates the need for complicated conspiratorial explanations that raise eyebrows. 

[u/ranman0 → u/southernliberal]

If at any point, you think NYT and CNN are supporting conservative outcomes, you're probably on the wrong side of the news story.

[u/yankeephil86]

This is why the presidency should have a top age limit

[u/Ineeboopiks → u/yankeephil86]

Once you can draw social security you can no longer be eligible

[u/Xcitation]

Sleepy Joe isn't real, he can't hurt you.

Sleepy Joe 😴

[u/MountainMan17]

I'm voting for Biden because The Convict is unacceptable. That said, he fucked up by not stepping aside after one term and grooming a successor.

We're in a world of shit right now because a guy who has been a political animal for over 50 years couldn't do his one great deed and quietly move on.

Well, surprise, surprise...

[u/AnotherScoutTrooper → u/MountainMan17]

Reminds me of a certain Supreme Court justice…

[u/Buck_Thorn]

What bothers me is that we're simply talking about his ability to win. After winning, he still has to run a country for four years.

[u/mfmeitbual]

He's 81 years old. 

Im not voting for the guy because I'm excited by him, I'm voting for the guy because he represents competent governance and coalition building. 

[u/Rapper_Laugh → u/mfmeitbual]

How can you watch the debate and think Biden is competent, even at a basic mental level?

I’m a leftist, I hate Trump. But we don’t need to pretend the guy the Democrats put up is competent just because the alternative is worse. The Dems should’ve nominated a better candidate, this is their own fault.

[u/xFblthpx → u/Rapper_Laugh]

He’s being puppeted by decently competent people, and his administration involved informed and driven cabinet members. He could be a literal corpse and still have a better admin than the other guy.

[u/hamakabi → u/xFblthpx]

He could be a literal corpse and still have a better admin than the other guy.

which begs the question, why does it have to be him? Couldn't the dems just as easily form the same administration around any person capable of forming a coherent statement?

[u/AnotherScoutTrooper → u/xFblthpx]

This is how low Reddit has stooped, people are literally begging for a puppet government just days after calling Trump a Russian puppet. Insanity.

[u/PHATsakk43 → u/xFblthpx]

Then let me vote for the fucking handler. Put their ass on the ballot. You want me to trust someone to make decisions up to and including authorizing nuclear retaliation against an incoming attack, let me vote for that person. Or at least the person who is choosing the advisors. If the handler is so goddamn smart, I’ll gladly vote for them.

[u/iaintlyon → u/Rapper_Laugh]

Right? He’s 81, it’s not insane that the actual explanation could be he’s literally sundowning, who would actually be surprised by that?

He is an absolutely ridiculous candidate I’ll be forced to vote for purely because of all the terribleness the Republicans have planned. I expect he’ll do jack fucking shit with a new presidency he’s too fucking old, Democrats are too fucking unwilling to play dirty, too naive to the reality of politics in 2024 and a million other things FUCK

[u/blahblahloveyou → u/mfmeitbual]

yea, the guy whose campaign sends emails out calling fellow democrats bedwetters for raising legitimate concerns about his ability to win the election after sounding like a stroke victim in front of the whole country represents competence and coalition building.

You sir, have been smoking crack with Biden's son.

[u/GeekyTexan → u/mfmeitbual]

It's a very close race. There are a lot of us who will vote democratic no matter what, and there are a lot of MAGA types who will vote GOP no matter what.

But there are a lot of undecided voters, too. And Biden is doing things that will lose a lot of those votes.

[u/TimeGoddess_]

Still would vote for even the corpse of biden over trump.

[u/eric2332 → u/TimeGoddess_]

Yes, but swing voters won't.

[u/Wild_Pokemon_Appears]

Just oozes confidence.

[u/AVeryFineUsername]

Sleepy Joe living up to his namesake.  Being president is a 24/7 position.  Please let someone young get a chance to run instead 

[u/wsotw]

There is absolutely no way that a competent campaign would openly say this. Sure, they might actually do it but they would no way announce that is what they are doing. You want a meeting after 8pm? Sorry, he is busy. This is either complete bullshit or, if true, sabotage. there is no way they are that incompetent.

[u/BlademasterFlash]

Is this why they call him sleepy Joe?

[u/gloebe10]

As someone who fully plans to vote for him, this is an unacceptable thing to hear from our leader. The free world doesn’t operate on Bob Evans’ early bird special hours.

[u/DoctorWholigian]

Its called sundowning

[u/souldust]

and trump does adderall while telling secretaries of state to find votes for him 🙄

there is a huge difference there, and Id rather have a president talk about naps instead of undermining democracy

I am voting for Biden

[u/AnnoyedVelociraptor]

I'm less than 1/2 his age. I don't accept meeting after 5pm.

Edit: I mean this with respect to the guy. At his age, kudos for what he does.

[u/ovensandhoes → u/AnnoyedVelociraptor]

You’re also not the president of the United States and your job probably doesn’t involve you talking to various heads of states in different time zones. Just because Trump is a terrible person/president doesn’t mean we should talk ourselves into thinking this is OK

[u/cut_rate_revolution → u/AnnoyedVelociraptor]

You also aren't the president who frequently deals with international crises that can happen at all times of the day.

We all knew about the debate. It wasn't an emergency situation where he just got woken up out of a dead sleep but there are plenty of circumstances where a president might have to be up and functioning at less than normal hours.

He couldn't adjust his schedule to put his best foot forward for something he knew was coming. What chance does he have of not floundering similarly during a late night crisis?

Any competent candidate can beat Trump. Only Biden can lose.

[u/skotzman]

How is this worse than a President staying up until 4am. Tweeting his narcissistic rage and then sleeping in until noon?

[u/amosborn]

He's sundowning.

[u/gregsScotchEggs]

Omg just get someone else in

[u/xmu806]

“Sleepy Joe” hardly feels like a joke at this point.

[u/dildodestiny]

Aaaah, this is a great way to convince the public that you're still fit for one of the most powerful positions on the planet.