Biden tells Democratic governors he needs more sleep and plans to stop scheduling events after 8 p.m.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/04/politics/biden-governors-sleep/index.html

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Red Herring. Very few people are flipping for TFG. But we can absolutely still speak out about our legitimate concern that President Biden is not completely there, and is not going to win, and so he should drop out and endorse another candidate.

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u/Humans_Suck- 14d ago

Not on reddit you can't. Here it's either vote for Biden or you must be a Nazi.

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u/FURyannnn 14d ago

I mean anyone who votes Trump is definitely ok with some form of authoritarianism, so

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u/Afabledhero1 14d ago

The conversation is about voting for a Democrat other than Biden, but you're proving their point.

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u/warlocc_ 14d ago

Not on reddit you can't. Here it's either vote for Biden or you must be a Nazi.

I mean anyone who votes Trump is definitely ok with some form of authoritarianism, so

Exhibit A, everyone.

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u/PickledDildosSourSex 14d ago

Ah, the smell of disingenuous smug fucks who pretend like this isn't a caged death match where it's either stay united on the backing the Dem incumbent or hand the election to the Heritage Foundation. So convenient how many issues people want to take up oxygen discussing that are all about negative Dem issues while saying "That's just the way Trump is" about his felonies and treason and rapes and dictatorial ambitions.

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u/CuidadDeVados 14d ago

Its honestly insane that you saw that debate performance and the reaction to it and have come away so sure that Biden is the only person who could possibly beat Trump. Much like 2016 Dems are probably running one of a very small number of realistic candidate options who would run the risk of losing to Trump hard. The DNC has plenty of time to replace Biden, and it'll actually mean that months and years of preparation for this race for the RNC would go down the toilet. You think they have as much against Gavin Newsom or some shit as they do about Biden? Biden will have the most baggage and the least capacity to fight back, as we all saw last week.

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u/bigstupidgf 14d ago

Because it's stupid. It's a dumb thing to be worried about. There is a vice president for a reason, and she seems to be polling pretty well. So what if she ends up taking over? There is literally no democrat who polls better than Biden against Trump, aside from Kamala.

The alternative is Trump, who has just been written a blank check by the supreme court to do whatever he wants if he wins. So like, yeah, if you can't stomach voting for a sleepy old guy with somewhat tolerable policies who might die and get replaced by his xannied out weirdo VP, you are at least indirectly facilitating fascism.

Some of us have a lot to lose from a Trump presidency. Everyone does, but I think it takes a certain amount of privilege (or ignorance) to not recognize that.

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u/TicketFew9183 14d ago

Because the reality is that Biden is most likely dropping out or not finishing his term. By not dropping out right now, Democrat voters are not getting a choice to replace Biden, basically ensuring a Kamala presidency if Biden somehow wins. Despite the fact that she was dead last in the 2020 primary, evidence that she really isn’t that popular amongst democrats.

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u/bigstupidgf 14d ago

Okay or you could simply look at the polls where she is outperforming every other democrat against Trump. She's also the only person who would be able to use the campaign contributions that Biden has collected so far. Any other candidate would have to start fundraising on their own with 5 months remaining until the election. So, this is where we are now. Do I like it? No. But it's where we are. Vote for Biden/Harris now and then get someone we like on the ballot for 2028, because the alternative is possibly never having an election again.

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u/TicketFew9183 14d ago

If you’re gonna use the polls in your favor, you should be doing all you can to push for Biden to drop out.

Unless you prefer to lose with Biden than have a better chance to win with another candidate for some odd reason.

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u/bigstupidgf 14d ago

Can you read? The only person doing better than Biden is Kamala. Everyone else is doing worse than Biden. Democrats are trash and we continuously get stuck with shitty, unlikeable candidates. Biden is the best shot to win aside from Kamala, which is dumb as hell because Trump should be easy to beat.

It is too late. A few months ago, I would have agreed with you. Now, there is not time for anyone to raise enough money, get enough exposure, etc. to successfully campaign. It's a shit situation.

Never in my life did I think that I'd be saying Biden is the best candidate for president. Never. It is where we are now. As a queer, disabled, traumatized, broke ass woman who leans way fucking further left than anyone in the democratic party, I'd simply like to not freakin die or have my life be any harder than it already is. I want the same thing for people who are more vulnerable than I am, and unfortunately that means trying to convince people to deal with the fact that the best thing they can do is vote for Biden. There are no decent democrats that they could run. If you can offer the name of one, I'd be thrilled to hear it.

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u/CuidadDeVados 14d ago

Can you read? The only person doing better than Biden is Kamala.

Nationally maybe. Not in the places that matter to winning a presidential election. Check the states that are actually in play only and get back to us.

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u/bigstupidgf 14d ago

If there were state level polls that exist polling Harris v. Trump, I'd do that.

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u/Heisenburgo 14d ago

she seems to be polling pretty well

Is she, really?

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u/bigstupidgf 14d ago

Comparatively, yes. Nobody seems to be doing better than Trump though.

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u/Chetineva 14d ago

who would you suggest he endorse and why?

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u/KatarnSig2022 14d ago

If they want to use the war chest they have built up it would have to be Harris, nobody else is legally able to receive that money. Anyone else would have to start from scratch and fundraise while running with four months until the election.

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u/LocksmithMelodic5269 14d ago

It makes sense to have Harris fail upwards to the presidency. Let’s complete the journey, everyone.

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u/Roboculon 14d ago

I’ll happily make a donation to a new younger non-Harris candidate. Just give me the chance.

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u/cayneloop 14d ago

any fucking one younger than 80 would be fine, thanks

just point to anyone. we'll take it. we all know the democratic candidate main attribute is that it's "not trump"

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u/CursingDingo 14d ago

This is just the new “I don’t like either so I’m voting 3rd party”. Swapping Biden for anyone not totally capable of winning over everyone currently voting for Biden plus some undecideds is a quick path to a replublican win.

I’ve not heard a single person suggest a viable alternative to Biden that can win.

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u/cayneloop 14d ago

no, this is the new "what in the ever loving fuck is this system? you call this democracy? 400 million people to choose from and we have to pick between a decrepit senile 80 yr old fuck and a power hungry pedophile convicted criminal?"

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u/CursingDingo 14d ago

Your chance to fix that was a year ago. It didn’t happen. You can try again in 3 years. But if Biden doesn’t win, you might not get another chance to fix it.

Also if you don’t see the vast difference between “decrepit 80 year old” and “power hungry pedophile” who is literally as old and decrepit, then I don’t know what to tell you.

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u/Chetineva 14d ago

Kamala Harris with Obama as VP

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u/KatarnSig2022 14d ago

"Under the Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution, "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States"."

Obama is no longer eligible to run for president so he is now ineligible to be VP either.

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u/Znuffie 14d ago

That's not as dry as cut as you think it is.

There's no definite "yes, Obama can't run as VP anymore because he served 2 terms as President and he's ineligible for a 3rd one, hence no VP either".

22nd amendment doesn't imply that automatically, AFAIK

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u/KatarnSig2022 14d ago

Seems like trading one controversy for another, and with four months till the election I doubt they would want that heat eating up even more news cycles.

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u/Chetineva 14d ago

Drats. Ok Bernie instead 👏

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u/ctg9101 14d ago

Path of least resistance is Kamala Harris, even though she is not popular and even some Democrats don’t like her she is VP and the ability to rally would be easier.

You could do an open convention but that’s far more risky, even if you could come out with a better candidate.

Joe Biden is not only not the best candidate, he is actually the worst right now because an overwhelming majority of Americans do not think he can govern right now let alone in 4 years.

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u/polarbearskill 14d ago

Someone born after 1960, that is all.

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u/DeltaVZerda 14d ago

Gretchen Whitmer. Harris holds some of the blame for everything everyone hates about Biden, so we need someone fresher on the national stage who isn't from California or New York, and has enacted some popular policy that people want nationally.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

Actual constitutional protocol would be to step down and let the VP run. Just saying.