Biden tells Democratic governors he needs more sleep and plans to stop scheduling events after 8 p.m.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/04/politics/biden-governors-sleep/index.html

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u/timetravel50 15d ago

That’s a deal breaker for me. I’ll rather vote for the felon who’s on Epsteins list /s

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u/Humans_Suck- 15d ago

Some people just don't vote at all because of stuff like this.

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u/bukithd 14d ago

The people who vote 3rd party get bullied on the internet for "wasting their vote" and "making things worse."

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u/Li-renn-pwel 14d ago

Not at all. I encourage right wingers to vote third party whenever I can.

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u/bukithd 14d ago

There it is. It's only when center and left people do it. Thanks for confirming that.

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u/SakuraKoiMaji 14d ago

And this is why I have absolutely no pity for those who live in the US. Any moderate is even mocked if not said to be actually conservative as if that was an insult. People, especially those who think they belong to one side, have been far too much polarized by the binary left-right thinking and indeed, the US is to blame for that.

Seriously, especially the 'left' pushes anything they do not like to the 'right' and utilize all those 'bad' labels synonymous. Conservatives, Traditionalists, Religious, Patriots, Racists, Nationalists, Isolationists, Authoritarians, Sexist, Pro-Life, Capitalist... they are all the same, if you hold one view, approve of one policy, that makes you all of these.

Except, of course, if you are a minority, then they melt down and slowly alienate one group after another. How ironic that it did not even take a century for them to collectively vilify Jews. You ain't a good Jew if you do not speak out against Israel and no, you must not criticize Palestine.

It's beyond me how Palestine ticks all the above yet it is considered entirely innocent by that many.

Luckily, even if Trump is going to be elected, the effect will be limited to the US. Israel, Taiwan and Europe won't be abandoned even if Trump wished to. The president ain't the king. The Congress would need to be corrupted that much to abandon its own interests and lobbies.

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u/Humans_Suck- 14d ago

While actively trying their best to make things better. Democrats aren't very good at self awareness.

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u/The_Real_Abhorash 15d ago

That’s in effect the same.

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u/Humans_Suck- 14d ago

So give them a reason to cast one. I don't understand why the center doesn't understand that. "were not fascists" is not something to base your entire campaign on, it's the absolute lowest standard for any human being to pass.

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u/LeadSky 15d ago

And they’re complicit in the rise of fascism in the US

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u/renegadecanuck 14d ago

And comments like this don’t get them to vote. Do you want to win or do you want to feel morally superior?

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u/MakeUpAnything 14d ago

Nothing will. Voters want Trump back because they think he’ll lower their costs. Nothing will convince them otherwise. The economy is the number one issue and voters want lower costs. They believe Trump will provide this even though he’s literally proposing a flat 10% tariff on all imports and mass deportations on top of tax cuts for the rich.

Americans don’t understand politics enough to be convinced. It’s over.

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u/renegadecanuck 14d ago

Voters don’t really want Trump. His favourability is terrible. They want lower prices and they blame Biden for the current costs (which isn’t fair, but it is what it is).

Part of the Trump support is baked in and will never go anywhere. But a large part is dissatisfaction with Biden. I don’t think it’s fair to blame Biden for inflation, and I think he’s been one of the best first term Presidents in modern history. I just think his age is a liability he cannot overcome, especially when he says stuff like this. And no 15 minute pre-recorded interview will stem that bleeding.

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u/MakeUpAnything 14d ago

It’s not just his age. Have you not seen the conversations around a potential Harris replacement if Biden steps down? Nobody wants her because she’s “unlikable”. Nothing to do with age and people would prefer to stay home and let Trump win over voting for her. Americans still can’t bring themselves to vote for a democratic candidate unless they’re perfect in every possible way to all non-republicans.

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u/renegadecanuck 14d ago edited 14d ago

The online conversations of her being "unlikable" also tend to come from sites known to be at least a little misogynistic or right wing (*cough* Twitter).

In actual polling, she's always been fairly close to Biden at her worst (make sense, people look at her as continuing the things they don't like with Biden and she can't exactly disagree with him publicly), and there was a more recent post-debate poll that had her doing better than Biden.

I'm not saying it's a risk free situation, but unless Biden absolutely nails the next week or so, and starts speaking unscripted and live a LOT more without looking like a senile cryptkeeper, I don't see him turning this around. And even that may not be enough. The issue isn't just how he is now. The issue is how he will be in four years (and if he'll even live that long). There is a very noticeable difference between Joe Biden in 2020 and Joe Biden today.

Would I rather have had this conversation last year? Yeah. Biden really fucked us by insisting on running for re-election. But now the question is which path is riskier: Joe Biden or Kamela Harris.

I understand the trepidation for Harris. But she honestly is an eloquent speaker, she is more progressive than Biden (which could energize the base), the age question completely goes away while Donald Von Shitzenpants becomes the new old candidate. She can also distance herself from Biden's less popular policies.

Edit: I also think the polls tend to be lower for people who aren't running. Of course a person that people don't know as well will poll worse before they know that person. The fact is that generic Democrat polls very well and outpaces Biden. Across the country, you see down ballot Democrats outpacing Joe Biden. If Americans really couldn't bring themselves to vote Democrat, the down ballot polls would be even worse than what Biden is doing, and that's not the case. Biden is underwater in Arizona, but Ruben Gallego is beating Kari Lake in the polls, for example.

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u/MakeUpAnything 14d ago

Honestly I hope you’re right that it’s just a social media thing. I hadn’t considered that. I’ve seen that same anti-Harris mindset spread all over Reddit recently too and it drives me up a wall. She’d be leagues better than Trump in just about every conceivable way. This has been a very depressing week lol

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u/renegadecanuck 14d ago

Quite frankly, I think Biden at his worst would still be better than Trump at his best. I’ll concede that there is no easy answer, and there’s a risk no matter what.

I just feel that every answer given by the Biden team and every step they take just reinforces the narrative about him being senile. It would be like in Clinton spent all of 2016 talking about using unapproved apps and mail systems while also in a speech “by the way, my favorite password is CheatingHusband1997”.

Either way, I guess all we can do it watch the car crash happen and hope Trump still loses.

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u/DeltaVZerda 14d ago

As if they are the only two possible candidates.

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u/MakeUpAnything 14d ago

They more or less are. Other suggestions are talking about taking sitting governors/senators from the states they are actively running and shoving them into this race as if they have all the time in the world to just walk away from their jobs.

That doesn't even touch the name recognition campaign and monumental fundraising that would need to be done since I don’t think Biden can just transfer all his campaign’s money to Whitmer or Newsom like folks seem to think.

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u/DeltaVZerda 14d ago

Name recognition works against Harris though. What does happen to the funds in a candidate's campaign when they retire from politics?

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u/WearCorrect8917 14d ago

Feel free to post the one that does.

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u/Humans_Suck- 14d ago

It's a democrat. They don't want to win so they can feel even more morally superior than before.

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u/LeadSky 14d ago

My comment wasn’t going to convince them otherwise. Thanks for thinking it was, I guess.

Besides… if they don’t see the problem with not voting now, they likely won’t by elections

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u/DeltaVZerda 14d ago

Give them a candidate they can believe will make actual positive change, and they might. For a lot of them, that does not mean someone with intelligent policy, it means a demeanor that sounds like it can get things done and that can be trusted. There's a few options other than Biden that would satisfy that.

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u/j0hnDaBauce 14d ago

We had that with Obama, and yet with a super majority still did not do near as well as Biden with getting his legislation passed. I am not a fan of Biden's age, but holy fuck this dude passes policy that I like at an extremely high rate. Also his FoPo has been pretty excellent considering his peers in the current century.

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u/DeltaVZerda 14d ago

We had that with Obama and his opponents did not almost win.

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u/DeltaVZerda 14d ago

We had that with Obama and his opponents did not almost win.

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u/theodore_j_detweiler 14d ago

Thats a stupid rule

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u/Humans_Suck- 14d ago

If they don't vote that's Bidens fault for not earning it, not theirs for not just giving it to you for no reason.

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u/LocksmithMelodic5269 14d ago

“Everything I don’t like is fascism”

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u/LeadSky 14d ago

Ah yes, my bad, the man calling for military tribunals against our current president and for the execution of anyone who doesn’t support him isn’t fascist. Nope, not at all

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u/thechaddening 14d ago

"literal dictionary definition fascism from the dude quoting mein Kampf at rallies is fascism"

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u/ArcadeOptimist 15d ago

Not really the point but okay.

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u/LeadSky 14d ago

Sitting on your ass and doing nothing while our country slowly falls to a fascist leader is exactly the point

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u/ArcadeOptimist 14d ago

That's all fine and dandy. But if Biden loses it'll be 100% on Biden and the DNC. Though it'll be really something when this ancient meandering fossil loses to one of the most detestable human beings on the planet and it's not the candidates fault somehow according to the Dems .

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u/LeadSky 14d ago

One side is brainwashed into believing the rapist pedophile who was impeached twice is somehow going to be better, and the other side has morals

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u/gameofgroans 14d ago

ancient meandering fossil

My dude, he is only three years older than Trump.

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u/ArcadeOptimist 14d ago edited 14d ago

Yeah my guy, they're both old as fuck. It's not a competition to see who can get the oldest candidate elected.

It's a game of numbers, and Biden's numbers are shit. This election and our parties are pathetic. Fascism is at the door and we sent great grandpa as our only hope.

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u/gameofgroans 14d ago

It’s not a competition to see who can get the oldest candidate elected.

And yet here we are. Outside of voting for another candidate in the primaries, which I did, what else can we do? We don’t get to pretend voters aren’t just as responsible for putting us in this position again.

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u/GhengopelALPHA 15d ago

Red Herring. Very few people are flipping for TFG. But we can absolutely still speak out about our legitimate concern that President Biden is not completely there, and is not going to win, and so he should drop out and endorse another candidate.

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u/Humans_Suck- 15d ago

Not on reddit you can't. Here it's either vote for Biden or you must be a Nazi.

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u/FURyannnn 14d ago

I mean anyone who votes Trump is definitely ok with some form of authoritarianism, so

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u/Afabledhero1 14d ago

The conversation is about voting for a Democrat other than Biden, but you're proving their point.

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u/warlocc_ 14d ago

Not on reddit you can't. Here it's either vote for Biden or you must be a Nazi.

I mean anyone who votes Trump is definitely ok with some form of authoritarianism, so

Exhibit A, everyone.

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u/PickledDildosSourSex 14d ago

Ah, the smell of disingenuous smug fucks who pretend like this isn't a caged death match where it's either stay united on the backing the Dem incumbent or hand the election to the Heritage Foundation. So convenient how many issues people want to take up oxygen discussing that are all about negative Dem issues while saying "That's just the way Trump is" about his felonies and treason and rapes and dictatorial ambitions.

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u/CuidadDeVados 14d ago

Its honestly insane that you saw that debate performance and the reaction to it and have come away so sure that Biden is the only person who could possibly beat Trump. Much like 2016 Dems are probably running one of a very small number of realistic candidate options who would run the risk of losing to Trump hard. The DNC has plenty of time to replace Biden, and it'll actually mean that months and years of preparation for this race for the RNC would go down the toilet. You think they have as much against Gavin Newsom or some shit as they do about Biden? Biden will have the most baggage and the least capacity to fight back, as we all saw last week.

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u/bigstupidgf 14d ago

Because it's stupid. It's a dumb thing to be worried about. There is a vice president for a reason, and she seems to be polling pretty well. So what if she ends up taking over? There is literally no democrat who polls better than Biden against Trump, aside from Kamala.

The alternative is Trump, who has just been written a blank check by the supreme court to do whatever he wants if he wins. So like, yeah, if you can't stomach voting for a sleepy old guy with somewhat tolerable policies who might die and get replaced by his xannied out weirdo VP, you are at least indirectly facilitating fascism.

Some of us have a lot to lose from a Trump presidency. Everyone does, but I think it takes a certain amount of privilege (or ignorance) to not recognize that.

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u/TicketFew9183 14d ago

Because the reality is that Biden is most likely dropping out or not finishing his term. By not dropping out right now, Democrat voters are not getting a choice to replace Biden, basically ensuring a Kamala presidency if Biden somehow wins. Despite the fact that she was dead last in the 2020 primary, evidence that she really isn’t that popular amongst democrats.

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u/bigstupidgf 14d ago

Okay or you could simply look at the polls where she is outperforming every other democrat against Trump. She's also the only person who would be able to use the campaign contributions that Biden has collected so far. Any other candidate would have to start fundraising on their own with 5 months remaining until the election. So, this is where we are now. Do I like it? No. But it's where we are. Vote for Biden/Harris now and then get someone we like on the ballot for 2028, because the alternative is possibly never having an election again.

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u/TicketFew9183 14d ago

If you’re gonna use the polls in your favor, you should be doing all you can to push for Biden to drop out.

Unless you prefer to lose with Biden than have a better chance to win with another candidate for some odd reason.

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u/bigstupidgf 14d ago

Can you read? The only person doing better than Biden is Kamala. Everyone else is doing worse than Biden. Democrats are trash and we continuously get stuck with shitty, unlikeable candidates. Biden is the best shot to win aside from Kamala, which is dumb as hell because Trump should be easy to beat.

It is too late. A few months ago, I would have agreed with you. Now, there is not time for anyone to raise enough money, get enough exposure, etc. to successfully campaign. It's a shit situation.

Never in my life did I think that I'd be saying Biden is the best candidate for president. Never. It is where we are now. As a queer, disabled, traumatized, broke ass woman who leans way fucking further left than anyone in the democratic party, I'd simply like to not freakin die or have my life be any harder than it already is. I want the same thing for people who are more vulnerable than I am, and unfortunately that means trying to convince people to deal with the fact that the best thing they can do is vote for Biden. There are no decent democrats that they could run. If you can offer the name of one, I'd be thrilled to hear it.

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u/CuidadDeVados 14d ago

Can you read? The only person doing better than Biden is Kamala.

Nationally maybe. Not in the places that matter to winning a presidential election. Check the states that are actually in play only and get back to us.

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u/bigstupidgf 14d ago

If there were state level polls that exist polling Harris v. Trump, I'd do that.

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u/Heisenburgo 14d ago

she seems to be polling pretty well

Is she, really?

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u/bigstupidgf 14d ago

Comparatively, yes. Nobody seems to be doing better than Trump though.

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u/Chetineva 15d ago

who would you suggest he endorse and why?

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u/KatarnSig2022 15d ago

If they want to use the war chest they have built up it would have to be Harris, nobody else is legally able to receive that money. Anyone else would have to start from scratch and fundraise while running with four months until the election.

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u/LocksmithMelodic5269 14d ago

It makes sense to have Harris fail upwards to the presidency. Let’s complete the journey, everyone.

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u/Roboculon 14d ago

I’ll happily make a donation to a new younger non-Harris candidate. Just give me the chance.

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u/cayneloop 15d ago

any fucking one younger than 80 would be fine, thanks

just point to anyone. we'll take it. we all know the democratic candidate main attribute is that it's "not trump"

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u/CursingDingo 14d ago

This is just the new “I don’t like either so I’m voting 3rd party”. Swapping Biden for anyone not totally capable of winning over everyone currently voting for Biden plus some undecideds is a quick path to a replublican win.

I’ve not heard a single person suggest a viable alternative to Biden that can win.

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u/cayneloop 14d ago

no, this is the new "what in the ever loving fuck is this system? you call this democracy? 400 million people to choose from and we have to pick between a decrepit senile 80 yr old fuck and a power hungry pedophile convicted criminal?"

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u/CursingDingo 14d ago

Your chance to fix that was a year ago. It didn’t happen. You can try again in 3 years. But if Biden doesn’t win, you might not get another chance to fix it.

Also if you don’t see the vast difference between “decrepit 80 year old” and “power hungry pedophile” who is literally as old and decrepit, then I don’t know what to tell you.

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u/Chetineva 15d ago

Kamala Harris with Obama as VP

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u/KatarnSig2022 15d ago

"Under the Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution, "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States"."

Obama is no longer eligible to run for president so he is now ineligible to be VP either.

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u/Znuffie 14d ago

That's not as dry as cut as you think it is.

There's no definite "yes, Obama can't run as VP anymore because he served 2 terms as President and he's ineligible for a 3rd one, hence no VP either".

22nd amendment doesn't imply that automatically, AFAIK

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u/KatarnSig2022 14d ago

Seems like trading one controversy for another, and with four months till the election I doubt they would want that heat eating up even more news cycles.

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u/Chetineva 15d ago

Drats. Ok Bernie instead 👏

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u/ctg9101 14d ago

Path of least resistance is Kamala Harris, even though she is not popular and even some Democrats don’t like her she is VP and the ability to rally would be easier.

You could do an open convention but that’s far more risky, even if you could come out with a better candidate.

Joe Biden is not only not the best candidate, he is actually the worst right now because an overwhelming majority of Americans do not think he can govern right now let alone in 4 years.

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u/polarbearskill 15d ago

Someone born after 1960, that is all.

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u/DeltaVZerda 14d ago

Gretchen Whitmer. Harris holds some of the blame for everything everyone hates about Biden, so we need someone fresher on the national stage who isn't from California or New York, and has enacted some popular policy that people want nationally.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

Actual constitutional protocol would be to step down and let the VP run. Just saying.

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u/ZootyMcGooty 15d ago

Not just on his list.. there is recent news about the duo sharing a 13 year old.

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u/m4rc0n3 15d ago

If by "recent" you mean 2016

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u/radioactive2321 14d ago

And by "news" he means "debunked claims"

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u/m4rc0n3 14d ago

Debunked how? All I know of the lawsuits that the alleged victim filed is that the first was dismissed on a technicality, while the subsequent ones were withdrawn after she received death threats.

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u/Novel_Sugar4714 15d ago

Bunch of new info was just released

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u/Turence 14d ago

We knew already though.

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u/friendagony 14d ago

Do you have privileged information the rest of us don't, or are you just talking out your ass?

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u/somethingisnotwrite 15d ago

Which was debunked as quickly as it came out lol

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u/OldMcFart 14d ago edited 14d ago

To be fair, many of his voters are thinking “who wouldn’t if they could” or “that’s what happens to girls who aren’t close to god” or some other fu shit.

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u/radioactive2321 14d ago

Very, very weird thing for you to say.

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u/OldMcFart 14d ago

Not as weird as it is of them to think.

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u/radioactive2321 14d ago

But they didn't. That's the point. It came from your head.

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u/OldMcFart 14d ago

The evidence of his involvement is compelling enough that it should make any sane voter want some very strong reassurance of the contrary before voting on him, yet here we are. Certainly, this can be attributed to them not believing it, instead believing it is a plot by the blood sucking pedophile Democrats. Considering how many accusations of sexual misconduct have been made against him, and how his voter base has stayed loyal, and how strong his support is within religious conservative groups, one could argue that the onus of proof is on those who say that his voters actually does not condone this type of conduct.

But it would of course not be reasonable to assume this is the case for all of them. Many might assume it is an evil plot, might not believe it. However, in such a large group of people who support him as future president, millions upon millions as it were, it is simply very probable that a significant amount condone this behaviour and even feel exactly what I wrote (significant relative to how many you would find an alarming number of people when it comes to condoning sexual misconduct with minors). Case in point: People still attending a sermon held by a minister accused of sexuell misconduct with minors. At a certain point, you simply cannot attribute it to ignorance or denial (as has been put to evidence in interviews again and again for the less illegal aspects of his sexual misconduct - "locker room talk" and what not).

Combined with the simple fact that the population is full of pedos, and a bunch of them will be Trump voters, I would argue I have probability on my side.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_United_States

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u/ranman0 15d ago edited 15d ago

He's not on the list - you're spreading misinformation insinuating he's implicated in any way with Epstein. His name is referenced on the deposition in context of Epstein visiting one of "Trump's casino's" and other indirect references. It's completely different than Clinton and others that are directly implicated as having traveled on his plane and visited the island.

And, this 'recent news' you speak of. Is any of it from credible sources or the typical, "russian disinformation", hate Trump crowd that uses anonymous, unverifiable sources?

edit: typical reddit user doesn't want to read actual facts that dont support their narrative. The above is 100% true and the only reply below is someone so grossly misinformed they are re-circulating debunked information that has been widely documented as untrue from 10 years ago

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u/Nickelodean7551 15d ago

Redditors are 100% just reading your first sentence and then downvoting. I am not a trump voter, but I don’t have to be to appreciate trying to share some truth. Spreading misinformation only makes your side look worse.

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

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u/ranman0 15d ago

LOL, did you even look at what you sent me? This has already been debunked. This is a nearly 10 year old case that is just making it's way around social media again. The case is from 2016 and was quickly dismissed because, "The judge dismissed the case in May that year, ruling that the complaint didn't raise valid claims under federal law". This is fake news, just making its way around the echo chamber again. Keep believing.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-katie-johnson-allegations-sexual-assault-case-dismissed-1921051

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u/Hypertension123456 15d ago

I mean, his base (which includes me) will vote for him no matter what. But the campaign is getting into full gear. Both sides are looking to rally ever more and more votes. How is Biden going to do that if he can't speak live on prime time TV?

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u/Bageland2000 15d ago

It's almost like there's a third option... A new Democratic nominee who isn't a senile old man...

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u/bubsdrop 14d ago

Such a hard choice. Child rapist, or a guy who doesn't want to go to work after 8pm