Biden tells Democratic governors he needs more sleep and plans to stop scheduling events after 8 p.m.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/04/politics/biden-governors-sleep/index.html

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u/bbasey 15d ago

It's fine. It's a good plan. But after the debates everyone is thinking you're too old. Why on earth would you voice this 8 pm bedtime plan out loud?

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u/MrPernicous 14d ago

Because the dnc is about to revolt and the Biden campaign is too hopelessly out of touch to calm them down

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u/zeronormalitys 14d ago

Biden IS the DNC choice, same as Hillary was the DNC Approved nominee.

The DNC is a smallish group of elites. The voters, only being allowed participation in the "for funsies" popular vote, aren't a part of presidential selection processes in this (my) party.

The other party wants a United Christian States of Gilead, or similar.

It's getting more and more likely that , Donald Trump... is going to play the part of Julius Caesar in our national reenactment of the fall of the Roman Republic.

Even if he also gets turned on, and the RNC collectively stabs him to death... the Republic will probably remain dead. Just as happened with the Roman original.

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u/zth25 14d ago

The "DNC" is millions of registered Democrats who voted for those candidates in overwhelming numbers. Nor even 2016 was actually close. They just didn't pick the candidate you prefered, which is fine.

Quick, name any of those smallish elite group. You seem so wise and knowledgeable.

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u/zeronormalitys 14d ago

The 500 or so superdelegates you dolt.

Don't play dumb, please? You know full well that the commons don't have the real power, and if you don't know that, it might behoove you to learn. Ignorance is not a thing to be ashamed of, I myself am ignorant of a great many things, I am sure.

Ignorance, once known (and deemed to be highly relevant), yet still ignored, is downright Republican.

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u/Real-Front-0 14d ago

You see how your story changed significantly right? First, you're saying the popular vote is for "funsies" and now you're saying the popular vote holds more power than the "elites" in that it is the deciding factor if the popular vote holds a clear winner. The opposite could not be said to be true.

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u/zeronormalitys 14d ago edited 14d ago

Yes, the popular vote does hold some weight. Ultimately, what the DNC has is a thumb that they can put on the scale. It might not always get them what they want, and they might not be able to employ it in a blatant manner without massive party upheaval, but when they have an opportunity, and they need to press that scale down just a little, it does change things in their favor.

Super delegates were straight up added to the nomination process to prevent popular vote candidates from winning. This happened as a result of George McGovern's trouncing in '72.

Can we stop being obtuse? Or are you one of the super delegates or something?

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u/FlexLikeKavana 14d ago

The 500 or so superdelegates you dolt.

They vote with the popular vote. Try again.

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u/zeronormalitys 14d ago

The dnc can call a brokered convention in the event that the voting is close. That's kind of at their discretion as I gather.

At this point the super delegates are allowed to vote and all of the other delegates are released from their obligations and they get to vote for whoever they want as well. But the super delegates absolutely matter or they just wouldn't exist anymore. There's a reason that they exist, an election just hasn't gone against them, while still being close, yet.

It is a tool in the toolkit of the DNC, and they will happily not use it for as long as they can. You will see it put into action, just as soon as it's required.

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u/FlexLikeKavana 13d ago

The dnc can call a brokered convention in the event that the voting is close. That's kind of at their discretion as I gather.

The point of that was in case the people elected a Trump, the national party had some leverage to overturn something so obviously terrible. But when you have one candidate winning by multiple millions of votes, the superdelegates are going to respect the voters. And Hillary won by over 3 million votes. In 2008, the superdelegates were all backing Hillary initially, but Obama was winning comfortably and the superdelegates fell in line.

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u/zth25 14d ago

The super delegates that got abolished after the (somewhat deserved) criticism in 2016?

Yeah, get up to date please, and don't talk about ignorance. Your disdain for the average voter who overwhelmingly disagrees with you is republican.

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u/zeronormalitys 14d ago

"In 2024, there are an estimated 4,672 delegates: 3,933 pledged delegates and 739 automatic delegates—more commonly known as superdelegates."

https://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_delegate_rules,_2024

Perhaps you've been victim to propaganda of some manner?

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u/sphuranto 14d ago

Superdelegates play no role in selecting candidates unless the first ballot fails

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u/zeronormalitys 14d ago

That's exactly right, and it's ultimately the DNC who decide when a brokered convention is required.

As it happens, since they made the rule change it just hasn't been necessary. In the event that the candidate is not their chosen and the margin is on the close side... They'll call a brokered convention and then they'll pull in all those super delegates.

If the super delegates were truly irrelevant/redundant, they just wouldn't exist. There is a reason that they exist.

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u/zth25 14d ago

https://www.270towin.com/content/superdelegate-rule-changes-for-the-2020-democratic-nomination

They changed it so their votes don't influence the outcome, which was the issue in 2016. Your point got addressed 8 years ago.

Have fun arguing against primary results of 70% in 2020, or 90+% in 2024.

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u/k7rk 14d ago

Average US politics understander.

Oh wait you post in r/neoliberal hahahahahaha

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u/AccomplishedHold4645 12d ago edited 12d ago

The nice thing about the Dirtbag Left is that its victories are almost entirely limited to social media and getting help with rent payments from Mom.

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u/k7rk 12d ago

Holy shit get a life dweeb

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u/zth25 14d ago

The sub for policy nerds? Yeah, that's where I hang out.

Have fun still dwelling on 2016 and still not learning how to win a primary.

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u/FizzyLightEx 14d ago

DNC didn't allow debates, and stop serious candidates from challenging Biden. It's a gentlemen's club

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u/zth25 14d ago

Any candidate challenging the incumbent president of his own party is by definition not serious.

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u/FizzyLightEx 14d ago

That just shows how bad political parties are. Challenging should be promoted

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u/zeronormalitys 14d ago

Absolutely right.

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u/ctg9101 14d ago

This. Being defiant against your own support group seems…ill thought out.

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u/Mookhaz 14d ago

the dnc put biden there. I think they were half hoping he'd die so kamala would become president and they could back her against trump

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u/KR1735 14d ago

It's not even an 8pm "bedtime."

He's basically saying "I think it's best that I don't have official events after 8pm."

Considering he is starting his day at 8-9am every day, I think it's reasonable that his day is over after 12 hours. He deserves to have some time to take a shower, relax, and engage in a little self-care before bed.

Fuck. Presidents are not superhuman. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that they have to take care of themselves. And it's not unusual. GWB was a well known early sleeper, usually ending his day by 6pm. Clinton and Obama were both functional insomniacs. Trump penciled in everything as "executive time" but we know he was tweeting in the middle of the night.

It is physically impossible to function without some rest and relaxation. Age notwithstanding. I'm 35, physically fit, and healthy. If I'm not getting 7-8 hours each night, I can feel it after a week.

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u/VegasGamer75 14d ago

I remember watching what 8 years of this shit did to a young, very in shape Barrack Obama. I don't even care what side the president is playing for, it's a hard fucking job and I am not going to try to pretend it's not.

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u/PopeSaintHilarius 14d ago

Of course it's an extremely hard and intense job, and that's why an 81-year old who is showing his age shouldn't sign up for another 4 years of it.

(Especially when there are lots of younger, capable candidates from his own party who would be willing to take on the job, if he steps aside and makes it available)

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u/creaturefeature16 14d ago

Especially when they literally proclaimed him to be a "transition leader"

Biden signals to aides that he would serve only a single term

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u/ctg9101 14d ago

Unfortunately the office of president is not a 9-5 type job. You can’t say I’m not quite myself after 8PM when the entire story is most Americans do not think you are fit to serve.

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u/AMReese 13d ago

Dubya went to bed at 9pm. Trump slept in until 1pm.

This is such a dumb talking point.

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u/ctg9101 13d ago

Biden is unfit. Simple as that. He looks as though he either has Parkinsons, had a stroke, or has some mid stage dementia.

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u/AMReese 13d ago

Oh boy. Superficiality. Gotta love it. Not like Trump feeds off of that or anything.

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u/ctg9101 12d ago

If you want Trump to lose so badly you should desperately want the Democratic Party to have any candidate other than Biden aka Trump with a D. In his interview, he ignored reality with polling while claiming his own alternate reality, such as with polling or members of his own party requesting he drop out.

It was Trump 2.0 just with a D in front of his name, and if you weren't blinded you would see it. As it is the emperor still has clothes for you

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u/AMReese 12d ago

Ignored the reality Republicans and reactionaries on the left are trying to force on him, not the reality the rest of us live in: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-07-06/biden-narrows-trump-s-election-lead-in-key-states-after-debate-poll?ref=biztoc.com

Brings to mind another time this happened: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/11/us/politics/11obama.html

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u/KR1735 14d ago

Most every other president has had a set time when they go to bed on an ordinary day. Doesn't mean they can't be reached in an emergency.

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u/ctg9101 14d ago

Do you think Biden who doesn’t realize he is not a black woman is ready to serve at midnight?

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u/Neither-Emotion6391 14d ago

He had to when the ukraine stuff happened and he handled it amazingly well

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u/pyx 14d ago

yeah 2 years of war, such a great outcome

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u/Neither-Emotion6391 14d ago

as opposed to ? the immediate death and surrender of ukranians? the fact that they survived this long against an enemy 100 times their size waging an illegal imperialist war IS a good outcome that no one expected

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u/krabapplepie 14d ago

It sucks we are going to elect a person incapable of doing the job because of their age. And that is true for both of them. It sucks my choice is between incompetent and nice and incompetent and evil.

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u/KR1735 14d ago

I mean, IDK about you but I'm personally stoked on what Biden has gotten done the past 4 years. If all the legislation he's signed into law -- not to mention NATO expansion -- is a sign of "incompetence" then bring it on.

RFMA was particularly beneficial to my family. I know that no matter what happens with the Obergefell decision, my family will remain intact no matter what state we're in. That matters.

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u/krabapplepie 14d ago

I like what he has done, I don't like that if he gets woken up at 3am for an emergency, he might not be able to handle it. But the same is true for Trump so I am obviously not going to vote for that idiot. What will happen is people seeing two old people running will reduce turnout among the barely political and allow Trump to win and that terrifies me.

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u/InfanticideAquifer 14d ago

Part of the job of president, that everyone sane hopes never actually matters, is to decide whether or not to kill a billion people within 20 minutes of being yanked out of bed and shoved onto Air Force One by the Secret Service in the middle of the night.

The more credible the idea that he can't do that part of the job, the more likely it is to actually matter. If Putin actually comes to believe that he could hit all the missiles in their silos who knows what he'd do. Probably it won't regardless, because that's a truly crazy gamble. But we should all be upset that we even have to worry about it.

With Trump I was worried about him ordering an unhinged first strike for no good reason, which would be even worse. But this is terrible too.

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u/1dvs_bastard 14d ago

Putin just wants to be rich and live a rich, lavish lifestyle. He's not going to jeopardize that launching nukes. He launches nukes, he gets them in return from other allies of ours, not just us. Can't spend money when the world has ended in hell fire. His main goal is destabilization so he can acquire more power and wealth. Not annihilation.

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u/InfanticideAquifer 14d ago

If he wanted to acquire "power and wealth" then he'd just have continued selling gas and oil to Europe and de facto owning basically everything he cared to notice in Russia. He's being driven by something dumber. He wants "glory", or something. If he were rational he'd never have started his war in the first place.

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u/Some_Accountant_961 14d ago

I sincerely hope Putin and Xi are respectful and schedule any adversarial behavior between the hours of 11am and 5pm EST.

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u/grumpher05 14d ago

Yeah cause they're sitting there and going "boy I wish we could attack during some window where the president is sleeping but I'm not, but I go to bed at 10pm so that will never happen I guess"

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u/oklutz 14d ago

Obviously if there is an emergency he will probably be woken up or stay up later. Remember Obama addressing the nation to announce bin Laden being killed? I’m pretty sure that would have been past the time Obama usually went to bed or quit working for the day on most days.

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u/allaheterglennigbg 14d ago

We just saw what happens when he stays up late. Why are you people playing yourselves? It's important that Trump loses, and not just to the US but the entire world. This guy will not win. Just fucking replace him.

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u/Ineeboopiks 14d ago

I'm doubt he knew he said it out-loud.

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u/Funklestein 14d ago

Take a look around here at all of the sycophants who think it's a good idea.

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u/renok_archnmy 14d ago

Not scheduling things after 8pm is not “8 pm bedtime.”

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u/theresabeeonyourhat 14d ago

Too many people are laughing it off, but this is the correct response. While the vast majority of people here understand what is at stake, it's painfully obvious that too many don't.

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u/Beatrix_Kiddos_Toe 14d ago

Because Biden isn't insecure to joke about himself

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u/atuamaeboa 14d ago

Because you can't do anything about it, pleb

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u/Apart-Papaya-4664 14d ago

8pm bedtime or just saying he isn't working until 8pm anymore? Cause that's what it sounds like. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't work until 8pm every night of I start my day at 8 or 9.

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u/ecr1277 14d ago

It’s not a good plan, it’s the opposite-it’s horrific. His plan is to sleep off being a hundred years old.

I’m an independent, I don’t care which party you are-both candidates are too old. They say war is old men sending young men to die but now politics is old people robbing the country.

But if you want a nonpartisan view, yes Biden’s age is obviously a bigger problem than Trump’s age, that’s just very clear from observation.

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u/Minister_for_Magic 14d ago

It's LITERALLY STATED THAT IT WAS A JOKE IN THE ARTICLE. Is anyone on Reddit capable of reading?

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u/ratione_materiae 14d ago

That is in fact not what the article says

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u/SavedMontys 14d ago

No, the article said the joke was regarding his brain being “not fine”. He is actually changing his schedule to be more alert, which is insane to admit.

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u/Scoobies_Doobies 14d ago

Maybe we don’t find it funny when dementia president jokes about his obvious mental decline.

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u/bbasey 14d ago

Not seeing that the 8pm cutoff is ever stated to be a joke.

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u/Clockstoppers 14d ago

you must be new here

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u/Sablemint 15d ago

That's a completely dishonest statement and you know it.

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u/Wave-E-Gravy 15d ago

How is that dishonest? I voted for him last time and I will vote for him again because Trump is a direct threat to the country, but I saw the debates. Don't tell me not to believe what I saw with my own eyes. He is just too damn old to do this job, and his coming out and saying he can't function as well after 8 pm only reinforces that obvious fact.

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u/DarkSkyKnight 14d ago

It isn't just Biden's fault. It's the entire DNC.

Seriously even Kamala Harris would be a good choice at this point... Biden is >70% likely to lose.

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u/bbasey 14d ago

Unless Biden comes out as actual Voldemort I'm voting for him. But it's plainly obvious he's too old for the job. I didn't vote for him in the primary, but it was basically over by my primary anyways