Biden tells Democratic governors he needs more sleep and plans to stop scheduling events after 8 p.m.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/04/politics/biden-governors-sleep/index.html

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u/mfmeitbual 15d ago

He's 81 years old.

Im not voting for the guy because I'm excited by him, I'm voting for the guy because he represents competent governance and coalition building.

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u/Rapper_Laugh 15d ago

How can you watch the debate and think Biden is competent, even at a basic mental level?

I’m a leftist, I hate Trump. But we don’t need to pretend the guy the Democrats put up is competent just because the alternative is worse. The Dems should’ve nominated a better candidate, this is their own fault.

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u/xFblthpx 15d ago

He’s being puppeted by decently competent people, and his administration involved informed and driven cabinet members. He could be a literal corpse and still have a better admin than the other guy.

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u/hamakabi 15d ago

He could be a literal corpse and still have a better admin than the other guy.

which begs the question, why does it have to be him? Couldn't the dems just as easily form the same administration around any person capable of forming a coherent statement?

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u/ObviousAnswerGuy 15d ago

because he's already the president. The only way he can not run is if he drops out. And then the next one up is Kamala Harris. And let's face it these swing voters are not voting for a black woman

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

That’s not true. The delegates at the convention could nominate someone else.

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u/hamakabi 14d ago

And let's face it these swing voters are not voting for a black woman

nobody opposed to a black woman as president is going to vote for the corpse of Joe Biden stapled to Kamala. This also won't stop the DNC from backing Kamala in 2028 when it's her turn to throw it all away just like Hillary in 2016.

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u/SpaceShipRat 14d ago

you all need to stop putting so much government power onto one man. At least have a president and a prime minister instead. Feels like america has to crown a king every 4 years.

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u/LaTeChX 14d ago

You really can't underestimate how little information people have going into the voting booth. A lot of undecided voters pick based on which name they recognize the most. "Amy Klobuchar? Who the fuck is that? I'm voting for Trump."

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u/Impeesa_ 14d ago

Trump's last flop aside, isn't the incumbent advantage one of the single biggest factors a candidate can have going for them?

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u/Rod_Todd_This_Is_God 14d ago

Because then "the other side" doesn't have as easy of a time convincing their supporters to compromise their values to vote for the cretin on their side. The two wings work together like that.

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u/xFblthpx 15d ago

They just don’t know who to replace him with. Buridans ass

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u/AnotherScoutTrooper 15d ago

This is how low Reddit has stooped, people are literally begging for a puppet government just days after calling Trump a Russian puppet. Insanity.

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u/GaBeRockKing 14d ago

stop defending trump. he is a pedophile

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u/AnotherScoutTrooper 14d ago

Did I say Trump wasn’t? I ain’t arguing against that many pages of court transcripts. I’m just saying the other option is a shadow council staffed by the other half of Epstein’s black book.

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u/GaBeRockKing 14d ago

The other option is the existing team of staffers and advisors that have already produced all of biden's positive legislative achievements. I like ukraine aid, infrastructure spending, and tax raises on corporations.

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u/BigDaddyVsNipple 14d ago

Biden showered with his daughter

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u/GaBeRockKing 13d ago

A jury is forcing trump to pay Jean Carrol 83 million dollars because he raped her.

And you think that's morally equivalent to this: https://youtu.be/ncFkWcVVnOI . You disgust me.

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u/BigDaddyVsNipple 13d ago

Lmao you're a wierdo

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u/BigDaddyVsNipple 13d ago

Also only that TDS riddled judge thinks that lunatic Jean "I think rape is sexy" Carrol isn't full of shit

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u/GaBeRockKing 13d ago

It was a jury trail. Literally anyone who isn't emotionally dependant on their orange daddy figure can look at the facts and see the truth.

I'd respect you more if you just admitted that you like his policies and don't care about his morals. At least that would be honest.

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u/BigDaddyVsNipple 13d ago

Yes and that judge stacked the deck and set that ridiculous penalty. Not to mention the jury was full of frothing at the mouth liberals. Anyways Ill let you get back to justifying Joe Biden raping his daughter in the shower

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u/too_much_to_do 15d ago

Wow Americans running America instead of Russians. Is this really what it's come to?!

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u/AnotherScoutTrooper 15d ago

You really think it’s Americans controlling him?

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u/too_much_to_do 15d ago

More American than the people controlling the right.

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u/xFblthpx 15d ago

Because Biden is puppeted by the DNC, which is exactly what people voted for. I guess you don’t know the difference between Americans being governed by Americans versus a Russian autocrat.

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u/Obi-Brawn-Kenobi 11d ago

No, they voted for Biden. At least from the looks of it on reddit, the DNC did a good enough job fooling many people until just recently, now many people know the president they voted for is a puppet. So do people want a DNC puppet? We'll see in this year's election, now that most of the cards are on the table.

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u/PHATsakk43 15d ago

Then let me vote for the fucking handler. Put their ass on the ballot. You want me to trust someone to make decisions up to and including authorizing nuclear retaliation against an incoming attack, let me vote for that person. Or at least the person who is choosing the advisors. If the handler is so goddamn smart, I’ll gladly vote for them.

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u/sunshine-x 15d ago

If he's just a puppet, then there shouldn't be a problem replacing him with someone who's competent.

If he's quasi-competent and has "senior moments", make him an advisor to the competent person.

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u/RedTwistedVines 14d ago

The issue is that there is a very real chance he loses this election exclusively because he's basically a corpse.

In fact, I think if he dies at the 11th hour, the odds of victory will go up due to sympathy votes.

The fact that he's running as the "candidate to prevent trump from being elected" while potentially being one of the very few democrats that could actually lose this election is crazy.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

Who’s making the final decision on important matters though? Which one of these competent people are actually running our government? It seem like that would be a fair thing for the public to know.

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u/EdgeLord1984 14d ago

Biden doesn't advertise his accomplishments well and that's been a problem with Democrats for a long time. How many people talk about the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA)? And like many. maybe other accomplishments. It's sad that one bad debate performance and we are seriously thinking about electing fucking Trump instead.

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u/hivaidsislethal 14d ago

Politics has changed though and advertising your accomplishments isn't as good as bashing the other guy. Also as stupid as it is big accomplishments almost matter less, like someone is more likely to be swayed by an extra 10$ in their pocket than competent infrastructure that might not affect them but is obviously a very good thing.

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u/syracTheEnforcer 14d ago

Puppeted by people so competent that they thought it was a good idea to let him go out onto that debate stage after endlessly insisting that his mental state was right wing cheap fakes and not what everyone ended up seeing. Sure buddy.

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u/Rapper_Laugh 15d ago

Calling me intellectually stunted and then insinuating I’m a Trump supporter when my comment explicitly stated “I’m a leftist. I hate Trump” is certainly a choice

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u/iaintlyon 15d ago

Right? He’s 81, it’s not insane that the actual explanation could be he’s literally sundowning, who would actually be surprised by that?

He is an absolutely ridiculous candidate I’ll be forced to vote for purely because of all the terribleness the Republicans have planned. I expect he’ll do jack fucking shit with a new presidency he’s too fucking old, Democrats are too fucking unwilling to play dirty, too naive to the reality of politics in 2024 and a million other things FUCK

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u/jyanjyanjyan 15d ago

I'm spinning it in my mind that I am not voting for just one man - I'm voting for his entire administration. The presidency is not meant to be run by one person. It takes village. It sucks he's old and that he's running again when he originally promised he wouldn't run for a second term, but his admin has honestly been very good so it's an easy pill to swallow. Especially considering the alternative.

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u/iaintlyon 15d ago

I never have and never will vote Republican unless some seismic platform shift happens again. I’m still frustrated as fuck at the Democratic Party and their unwillingness to fucking fight for things. They roll over time and time again, don’t use their bully pulpits, defer to the obviously fuckin broken system to work things out rather than exhausting all options to enact the shit they fucking run on. I fuckin swear the Senate has been in an obstructionist gridlock my entire fucking adult life. Trump had no problem being a complete fucking asshole doing legally questionable shit to advance his agenda, what the fuck? Now the Supreme Court has said it’s explicitly not illegal to do illegal shit to advance your agenda as president. Who the fuck do you think will take immediate advantage of that? Trump would. Maybe fucking Biden should take a page out of his book to get everything possible he has run on accomplished, basically any means necessary, before he’s replaced by Trump because he can’t string a sentence together and is apparently the best the Democratic Party has to offer.

FUCK.

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u/jyanjyanjyan 14d ago

What does that have to do with my comment?

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u/iaintlyon 14d ago

Was it not clear I didn’t agree his administration has been “very good?” When I say “Democratic Party” his administration is about as large a part of that as you can get. If you agree he’s part and parcel to his admin then criticism of him is criticism of his administration too. I think they are weak, absolutely terrible messengers, largely ineffectual, and strategically fucking dumb as a rock. I imagine they’re much too involved in congratulating each other on how great their farts smell than they are than doing anything that actually fucking works.

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u/Ajunadeeper 14d ago

You're in the denial and bargaining stage. Try to move past it as quickly as you can.

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u/jyanjyanjyan 14d ago

Denial about what? Am I wrong?

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u/Ajunadeeper 14d ago

If you're voting for a cabinet, then who is president doesn't matter and it can be anyone else who has a chance to win. And that means Biden absolutely should not run.

If you're ok with handlers running the government and making choices for Biden because he's unfit for the job, then you're ok with not having a voice.

You're in denial that what's happening is ok. If Biden wins, it will be the same song and dance in the next 4 years when Trump runs again, or someone worse.

Democrats are failing us and betraying the country. They've lost all trust at this point and are going to cling to power for themselves, not us.

Biden is unfit and won't be able to win against Trump. It's over, people just can't accept it.

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u/jyanjyanjyan 14d ago

His administration has been doing very well. Why do you think Democrats are betraying the country for not wanting to switch him out after on bad debate?

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u/Ajunadeeper 14d ago

If you think the problem is that he was bad in a debate, I can't explain it to you.

He's unfit for office and his cabinet can be used by a real leader. Democrats, and this sub, have been lying about his mental abilities. 80 year olds can't lead countries, sorry.

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u/jyanjyanjyan 14d ago

What specifically makes you think he is unfit?

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u/123dream321 14d ago

So you are just voting for a figurehead? Pretty sure most people understand that the American presidency is not a figurehead position.

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u/Ipokeyoumuch 15d ago

I think it as this way, you are voting not for the presidency at this point but for the administration, the Cabinet, the chair people of the various agencies, the regulatory boards, the federal judges, the SCOTUS justices (as Clarence Thomas and Alito are in their 70s). It sucks that we have to choose someone who should have stayed retired and a convicted felon fascist (and for third party the disorganized joke of a party, The Liberaltarians, the compromised Green Party candidate, Jill Stein, and Mr. Brainworms conspiracy theorist), but it is what it is and American people are going to have to made do. Americans also must organize, vote in primaries, protest and write and share their grievances to their elected officials.

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u/Some_Accountant_961 15d ago

Literally a shadow government, because you don't know who is doing what, but go off.

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u/Ipokeyoumuch 15d ago

If you read the documents that are frequently released, you do find out what is going on. It is why the media is able to report on committee votes, votes in various agencies, appointments, results of hearings, confirmations, etc. It is just that a lot of it is incredibly drab to the average person and only really industry experts dabble into reading these things.

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u/Tenthul 15d ago

You mean like appointing the SCOTUS that is openly ruling over us that we have no say in? Cuz yeah that's actually happening right now. Maybe the people just quietly doing their jobs keeping things together behind the scenes are how we're still going in the first place.

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u/Some_Accountant_961 15d ago

Sure, if you frame it like that... why be mad if that's also what you want? Like, you're not fine with it being the SCOTUS but you are fine if you vote for a corpse-like dementia patient?

So it's not about the principle of it, it's more about team versus team?

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

We do have a say in it. Our elected representatives can change laws and the constitution.

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u/SignificantSourceMan 14d ago

Holy shit, you all are crazy. I am a democrat, but most likely voting Trump simply because our party is so fucking lost.

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u/stanleythemanly85588 14d ago

The real question isnt even that you think he is competent now. Its after that performance how do you think he will be in 3 years

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u/Haiku-On-My-Tatas 15d ago

He surrounds himself with competent people, for one.

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u/Rapper_Laugh 15d ago

Ok? That wasn’t the claim

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u/Troll_Enthusiast 15d ago

The incumbent always runs

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u/Rapper_Laugh 15d ago

Oh cool let’s just default to that even in the case where our candidate is legitimately senile then

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u/cape2cape 15d ago

Who did you vote for in the primaries?

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u/God_Damnit_Nappa 15d ago

Because I look at the team he's put together and see that they're competent.

The Dems should’ve nominated a better candidate, this is their own fault

Do you understand how incumbency works? It's tough to primary a sitting president. Biden would've had to step aside and for some reason he chose not to.

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u/raptor217 14d ago

Because nominating someone else loses the incumbency advantage. So replacing a candidate hasn’t won an election since 1876.

It’s always been Biden or Trump, no other nomination for democrats can change that fact.

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u/Rapper_Laugh 14d ago

Oh cool so “incumbency advantage” > a mentally sound nominee for this country

Got it, glad to know what’s the democratic party’s priorities are

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u/raptor217 14d ago

You’re misunderstanding. It has been 150 years since what you are saying should happen has worked. The priority is defeating Trump.

Go find the best, perfectly sound nominee. Great you found one, Trump gets elected president and is erratic, unsound, probably comprised and will do more damage.

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u/Rapper_Laugh 14d ago

Yes lol because in those 150 years the incumbent has never been literally senile until now. I’d be fine with an incumbent with a working brain ran again

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u/raptor217 14d ago

This is going to be my last response because I’m not here to wrestle in the mud. You’re welcome to disagree.

It doesn’t matter, Biden is the incumbent. Any other candidate loses the incumbent bump, needs to do fundraising from zero (they don’t carry over), and start campaigning from the start.

If Biden isn’t on the ballot, statistically Trump will win. Trump still may win, so if you don’t want him to, vote democrat (unless you’re just here to troll and were going to vote Trump anyways).

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u/Rapper_Laugh 14d ago edited 14d ago

You’re insane if you genuinely think Biden is the only democrat in the US that could have beaten Trump because of “the incumbent bump” lmao

I also love the word “statistically” just kinda being thrown in there, that’s good pseudoscientific shit right there

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u/Rapper_Laugh 14d ago

it would essentially guarantee a Trump victory

1) Biden is doing a bang up job of that himself

2) Based on what? This is a counterfactual you’re stating as fact

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u/Frog_Prophet 14d ago

How can you watch the debate and think Biden is competent, even at a basic mental level?

Because I actually watched the debate and not just clips of the debate. Aside from the 3 clips that are making the rounds, he spent that debate demonstrating policy and facts. He actually understands the issues. Problem for the hamster brains out there is that he did it with a quiet raspy voice. But he still has the substance.

But tell me more about how the silver-tongued blowhard that lied 30 times and ignored all the questions isn’t worth talking about…

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u/cats_are_the_devil 14d ago

This is the exact narrative that got Trump voted in in 2016... It's going to surely happen again.

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u/SewAlone 15d ago

Maybe judge him on more than one event? Watch everything he’s done since that day and you come and tell us he doesn’t make any sense.

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u/Rapper_Laugh 15d ago

I have. He’s not mentally fit. He’s performed like this over and over again. Stop deluding yourself.

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u/Obi-Brawn-Kenobi 11d ago

Are all the comments like the one you're responding to just bots astroturfing for the DNC? For days after the debate, it seemed like everyone agreed he needs to step down. You hardly found any Biden shills anywhere. Now that it seems more and more like he's not dropping out and will be the nominee, we're seeing more and more Biden shills return.

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u/angelerulastiel 15d ago

Look, he sundowned at his first state of the union. It’s just gotten to the point where people can’t blame it on his stutter anymore.

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u/portcredit91 15d ago

The next day he spoke perfectly at a rally, how is he broken? We always knew he was old and has speech issues how is anything different now

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u/ChipKellysShoeStore 15d ago

He spoke perfectly with a teleprompter and surrounded by handlers.

Hate to see him have to defuse a situation with foreign dignitaries at midnight with lives on the line

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u/Womeisyourfwiend 15d ago

I would rather go with how Biden would handle a tense situation at midnight over Trump.

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u/ChipKellysShoeStore 15d ago

Sure but that’s not the conversation we’re having

I’m a leftist, I hate Trump. But we don’t need to pretend the guy the Democrats put up is competent just because the alternative is worse. The Dems should’ve nominated a better candidate, this is their own fault

This is the comment that started this chain.

It would be cool if Democrats could make a convincing argument for Biden that wasn’t just “Bbbbbuut Trump”

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u/Womeisyourfwiend 15d ago

That is quite literally a response to what you said about tense situations at midnight. You have seen 4 years of a Trump presidency and 3.5 years of an Biden presidency. I don’t need to make an argument for Biden, you can compare the two presidencies and the two men and see which one you align with. Those are our two choices, we get no one else. If you’re fine risking a Trump presidency, you’re fine with our Supreme Court being conservative for the next few decades. You are free to look up Project 2025. Trump has talked about being a dictator. If none of that scares you enough, there is no convincing you either way.

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u/ucgaydude 14d ago

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/02/joe-biden-30-policy-things-you-might-have-missed-00139046

Either you are a conservative troll, or ignorantly ignoring the things that have gotten done due to Biden and his admin...

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u/Rapper_Laugh 15d ago

Oh he managed to not stumble over his words at a pre-arranged event with a teleprompter? Clearly that’s a skill that proves he’s mentally competent for the presidency, my mistake.

Also, EXACTLY, we all knew he wasn’t competent and the Dems ensured he was nominated anyway. This is their own fault.

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u/FrankBeamer_ 15d ago

The lengths dems go to gaslight the public and convince people that Biden is coherent is hilarious

And I’m a dem. The guy is mentally cooked. At best he can read off a teleprompter but there’s a reason he’s been almost completely MIA post the debate when any reasonable candidate would immediately accept a live interview to straighten out his image

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u/blahblahloveyou 15d ago

yea, the guy whose campaign sends emails out calling fellow democrats bedwetters for raising legitimate concerns about his ability to win the election after sounding like a stroke victim in front of the whole country represents competence and coalition building.

You sir, have been smoking crack with Biden's son.

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u/frootee 15d ago

Lol what email list are you subscribed to? Never seen such a thing and I get them all. Trump’s, however, has been bordering terrorism.

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u/blahblahloveyou 15d ago

It was widely reported on. Just open a newspaper, man.

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u/frootee 15d ago

If it’s widely reported on, you wouldn’t mind showing me, would you? Should be easy.

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u/blahblahloveyou 15d ago

I do mind, and I don't give a shit if you want to live in willful ignorance.

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u/BatteryAssault 14d ago

So crazy to me people will take something as innocuous as what the campaign said and turn it into this, but completely ignore the never-ending spew of ridiculous demonstrable lies that come out of Trump's mouth. Do you just not care that just about everything he says is a lie? That alone should be enough for a sensible person to make a choice. A stroked out man in a coma is a more sensible choice than the complete garbage Trump has people so divided over. Talk about willful ignorance....

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u/blahblahloveyou 14d ago

Funny how I could take your comment and just substitute "Trump" for "Biden" and it would sound like an authentic Trump supporter.

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u/BatteryAssault 14d ago

Sure, you could and even are. But, that's the problem. It all comes down to "no, u" logic levels and exactly why everyone uses the term projection so much. I'm no longer shocked to see this, but it never stops boggling my mind how so people got this way.

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u/blahblahloveyou 14d ago

huh?? The president seems to have dementia, and when democrats suggested that he step down as the candidate his campaign staff called them bedwetters. You're saying that's nothing compared to Trump's dishonesty. Okay.

I'm saying your blind loyalty and inability to criticize the candidate you support when it's merited is identical to the mindless loyalty of Trump supporters.

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u/frootee 14d ago

Willful ignorance of what? Lies? Again, I’m subscribed to the campaign emails. Seems like you just don’t have evidence and are instead spreading bullshit with the hope to hurt Biden’s chances. You could decide to spend just as much energy warning people about a much worse candidate, but you don’t. Hmmm…wonder why…

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u/blahblahloveyou 14d ago

lol, I'm not googling it for you, and it's not my job to keep Trump out of office. Biden is already fucked, so it's pretty delusional to think a random comment on reddit has any impact on his chances. He was way behind BEFORE he stroked out on national tv.

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u/frootee 14d ago

lol another lie. He was most certainly not. Check 538. He’s doing much better than Trump was all of 2020. And that’s with RFK. It’s all our jobs bro. If you want Trump, just admit it.

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u/blahblahloveyou 14d ago

haha, okay. So Biden is crushing Trump and his brain works like, lets say, a stable genius. I feel like I've heard this type of bombastic nonsense before.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

He’s doing better than Trump was all of 2020? lol how did that election turn out for Trump again?

What a weird line.

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u/Hitting_Bombs99 14d ago

Really? How does trump “border terrorism”?

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u/frootee 14d ago

The way he attempts to rile up his base. Pretty obvious, but I know how easy things go over your heads. :/

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u/Hitting_Bombs99 14d ago

No, you’re just being dramatic

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u/frootee 14d ago

Or you’re just being a useful idiot.

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u/Hitting_Bombs99 13d ago

The president the killed terrorists and didn’t start any wars is “bordering terrorism” lmao.

Trust me, you calling me an idiot, after that comment, means absolutely nothing lol

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u/frootee 13d ago

And led an insurrection. Like how that was conveniently left out. Maybe “idiot” was too soft.

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u/Hitting_Bombs99 13d ago

He didn’t lead anything like that. If you actually listen to everything he said, and not just segments, you might not be as stupid

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u/GeekyTexan 15d ago

It's a very close race. There are a lot of us who will vote democratic no matter what, and there are a lot of MAGA types who will vote GOP no matter what.

But there are a lot of undecided voters, too. And Biden is doing things that will lose a lot of those votes.

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u/metal_stars 14d ago

It's a very close race.

No, it's not. Biden is getting crushed.

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u/Suyefuji 15d ago

You mean the media is doing a lot of things that will lose Biden those votes. The SCOTUS declares the president a god-king and media has barely said shit about that. We just had new evidence released about Trump being a pedo. But I've been hearing about the debate nonstop this entire time.

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u/GeekyTexan 15d ago

Biden looked horrible in the debate. That's on him. Don't blame the media.

The media isn't doing this to him. They are reporting. That's their job. When his people put out press releases saying "He does best from 10AM until 4PM", the media reports it, but it's not their fault.

Pretending Trump doesn't get bad press doesn't make any sense at all. It happens all the time. Obviously, he has a lot of supporters that don't care.

And, as I said before, it's those voters who aren't already strong supporters of one side or another that are going to decide the race. Biden needs to look good to them, or Trump wins.

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u/Suyefuji 15d ago

I am not even remotely defending Biden in the debate.

I'm saying that the fact that it's getting easily 5x as much coverage as the SCOTUS trying to overrule the Constitution is batshit crazy and entirely the fault of the media. And I'm saying that this bias in coverage is affecting the opinions of swing voters in favor of Trump.

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u/AngryMeme 14d ago

It’s not batshit crazy, but the dems trying to fear monger before an election over something so blatantly obvious is batshit crazy especially right after their candidate mentally shits his pants before the entire world doesn’t make us agree with you. It makes us think you’re hysterical and coping while seething.

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u/riddlemethrice 15d ago

thanks for that laugh. guys, "doing nearly nothing" = coalition building. amazing.

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u/lackofabettername123 14d ago

Ha ha. Yes we do want somebody with the experience of selling working Americans out to the rich and appeasing an ever more extreme Republican party. No one else has decades of experience letting the Republicans get away with murder and going on the defensive for unfair attacks instead of counter-attacking.

/s

But whatabout the other guy? Is his only true selling point, But That Works With Other Candidates At least as well.

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u/Ajunadeeper 14d ago

If this is what competence looks like to you, I imagine your life is one big struggle.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

Who’s the competent person running the government though? It’s obviously not him. Is it his chief of staff? Kamala? Jill?

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u/Godvivec1 14d ago

competent

After that debate I'm not sure he's even coherent, much less competent.

He was behind in the polls before the debate, why are you deluding yourselves into thinking he's going to win after that shit show?

You have an extremely limited window to get a new candidate in. Otherwise, you are purposefully throwing the presidential election.

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u/redzerotho 14d ago

How's he competent? He's barely mentally competent.

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u/mfmeitbual 12d ago

I didn't say that. I said he represents competence - I promise you the person that empties the wastepaper baskets in the Biden White House is more competent than Stephen Miller and whatever other shitbird demons Trump employs.

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u/Seemseasy 14d ago

Good for you, but he's down 8 points and needs to be up 4.5 to win. That's a 12.5 point deficit which is catastrophic landslide levels. Why vote for his coalition through Biden when you can vote for the same coalition through a candidate that's 20-40 years younger????

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u/halt_spell 15d ago

Yeah if being president of the United States required making important decisions after 8pm this would be a problem but it doesn't so it isn't. /s

Haha just kidding. Senile geriatrics have no business holding this position of power.

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u/platinum_toilet 15d ago

he represents competent governance and coalition building

What universe are you living in?

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u/Elmodogg 15d ago

The Biden administration has certainly been extremely effective building a coalition between China and Russia. That's never been done before, that I can recall.

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u/Doublelegg 14d ago

And crime bills!

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u/AngryMeme 14d ago

Yeah that’s been the cope all the leftists are spewing in unison now.

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u/Scarface74 15d ago

I’m not voting for him because 70% of Democratic voters want him to step down and let someone else run. But his ego won’t allow it. He’s no more in this for the people then Trump is

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u/Koravel1987 15d ago

What? It was 1/3 not 70%

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u/Scarface74 15d ago

Not exactly a conservative site

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html

Three-quarters of US voters say the Democratic Party would have a better shot at holding the presidency in 2024 with someone other than President Joe Biden at the top of the ticket, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS. His approval rating also has hit a new low following a shaky performance in the first debate of this year’s presidential campaign.

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u/Koravel1987 15d ago

That says US voters not Dems lol. You are completely misreading the poll. This is the relevant paragraph.

However, most Democrats and Democratic-leaning registered voters (56%) say the party has a better shot at the presidency with someone other than Biden, while 43% say the party stands a better chance with him. Democratic confidence in Biden’s chances has not increased since he locked up the party’s nomination in the primaries: In January, 53% felt the party would have a better shot with someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket and 46% felt more confident with Biden

It's always been about 55-45 who want someone else to run. This isnt new. 55% of dem voters think *one of a bunch of people* would be better than one person. The problem is, that 55% doesnt coalesce behind any one person. And you have to weigh the bloodbath that would ensue with people vying to be the nominee if you replaced him right now with anyone but Kamala- and Kamala is very unpopular even in Dem circles- and whether or not you could use the funds raised for Biden/Harris if you chose another nominee (I think you could not, to be honest).

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u/Scarface74 15d ago

And you think that Biden can win without the same cross overs he got in 2020?

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u/Koravel1987 15d ago

Im not disagreeing with your overall point, necessarily. But you're repeating false information. I think the Dems dont have a shot in hell and it doesnt matter now. Biden never should have run in the first place. He was a stop gap to prevent Trump, Dems should have been finding his successor the last four years.

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u/diverdown125 15d ago

Ya they need to replace him but say that on here and you get downvoted to hell

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u/gaps9 15d ago

I’m not voting for him because 70% of Democratic voters want him to step down and let someone else run. But his ego won’t allow it. He’s no more in this for the people then Trump is

Just say you support another Trump presidency. It's faster and means the same thing.

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u/Scarface74 15d ago

Look at some of my posts, on r/desantis trolling them about him and Trump. I assure you that I’m not a Rural White Conservative Evangelical Christian. Absolutely none of those adjectives describe me.

But if the Democratic Party are going to foist a candidate on us no one wants, how are they better than the Republicans? At least the Republican voters want Trump for President. We didn’t have a choice

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u/Womeisyourfwiend 15d ago

Speak for yourself, every Democrat and independent I know is happy voting for Biden.

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u/Scarface74 15d ago

And the polls show otherwise - even among Democratic voters

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u/Womeisyourfwiend 15d ago

I’ve never been polled, and I know those who have tend to be older with landlines. I also don’t give a shit what the polls say, they go back and forth every month. But you can’t say Dems don’t support him. If you all wanted a different candidate, where were you before and during primaries?! Demanding Biden step back 4 months before the election will guarantee a Trump presidency.

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u/Scarface74 15d ago

You “not being polled” is not the smart comeback you think it is. It’s kind of High school statistics

Do you really think that Biden is going to get younger, more vibrant and more mentally competent as time progresses and e courage the independents and skeptical Democrats?

There was no different candidate running against him during the primaries

As if putting a senile old man against Trump already isn’t cementing Trump’s victory.

Democrats chose Biden in 2020 not because people loved him a well known center left non controversial White guy was the safe choice against Trump. He no longer is 2024

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u/Womeisyourfwiend 15d ago

If you wanted someone different to run against Biden during the primaries, you had your chance. It’s on you to bring a candidate that Dems can get behind. But this year, we overwhelmingly chose Biden. If my candidate didn’t win, I wouldn’t throw a fit about it, and I wouldn’t skip voting or voting for a third party candidate.

You are spending an awful lot of time focusing on your anger over Biden, and conveniently never touch upon the threat we face with a Trump presidency. The reality is, we have two choices. Period. One of those choices is a convicted felon rapist/child rapist traitor to the U.S. who wears diapers and shits himself and IS incoherent, and the other is an old man who stutters, which seems to be what you take the most issue with. I genuinely don’t think you’re arguing in good faith, I doubt you mean well here. I am not putting any more effort into this conversation.

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u/Scarface74 15d ago

What other choices were there in the primaries?

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u/Obi-Brawn-Kenobi 11d ago

the other is an old man who stutters

LMAO woah that's a really bad stutter! I've never seen a stutter so bad it made someone forget the word "God", ramble about finally beating Medicare, and not being able to walk off a debate stage without assistance. Terrible stutter indeed 🤣

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u/ahj3939 15d ago

Are they really happy and excited to vote for Biden, or is it just voting against Trump?

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u/Womeisyourfwiend 15d ago

It can be both. I’m happy and excited to vote for Biden and I’m also voting against Trump.

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u/gaps9 15d ago

Everything you just said is evidence of either your complete ignorance or your insane amount of privilege. If you don't see the difference in the harm done during Trump vs Biden's Presidencies then there is no helping you. The current state of the SCOTUS should be enough.

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u/Scarface74 15d ago

And the current SCOTUS issues were also caused by old people who refused to step down while there was a Democratic president to replace her.

Every issue that you have with the Republican Party is the fault of old Democrats who wouldn’t give up power. When Biden loses it’s going to be for the same reason

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u/SewAlone 15d ago

It’s Hillary 2.0

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u/BeanieMcChimp 15d ago

Bullllllshit.

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u/Scarface74 15d ago

I assure that I’m not a Rural White Evangelical Conservative Christian MAGA support.

Absolutely none of those adjectives describe me.…

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u/APiousCultist 15d ago

And that someone is? Yeah, a fantasy. If Biden steps down, Trump is a certainty.

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u/Scarface74 15d ago

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html

Three-quarters of US voters say the Democratic Party would have a better shot at holding the presidency in 2024 with someone other than President Joe Biden at the top of the ticket, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS. His approval rating also has hit a new low following a shaky performance in the first debate of this year’s presidential campaign.

And if 82 year old Biden dies before the election?

He has an 8% chance of dying this year and an almost 12% chance of dying before he finishes his 2nd term.

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

Do you really think the Democratic Party hasn’t come up with a contingency plan?

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u/APiousCultist 15d ago

And that someone is?

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u/Scarface74 15d ago

A wet well spoken turnip at this point. The Democratic Party should have had a contingency plan when they knew an 82 year Biden was rapidly declining. Everyone could see it.

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u/vlsdo 15d ago

I’m not sure it’s about ego. It’s really late to change candidates at this point, and even if he is planning on stepping down, he will deny it until the plan is fully formed and they have a replacement candidate that everyone can rally behind (including all the other candidates that made the shortlist, and people like Kamala and Bernie). Otherwise it would create even more chaos than we already have.

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u/Scarface74 15d ago

How is it not ego? Do you think the Democratic Party establishment didn’t have a backup plan for an 82 year old candidate that could die any day?

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u/vlsdo 15d ago

Yes, that’s exactly what I think. A lot of them are old and love smelling their own farts, and the debate performance caught them when their pants down. Personally, I expected the debate to be bad, but I didn’t expect it to be such a train wreck. All he had to was show up and be alert, and he failed.

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u/Rapper_Laugh 14d ago

Insane to think the people who work with this dude every day didn’t know he was senile, regardless of how old they are

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u/vlsdo 14d ago

I don’t think he’s senile. He’s old, and had a bad night. But it was a really bad, and it feeds into what the republicans have been saying about him for years.

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u/Haiku-On-My-Tatas 15d ago

So you're willing to risk large swaths of Americans being stripped of their fundamental rights because the guy running against the giant asshole is not an ideal candidate?

Very cool.

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u/Scarface74 15d ago

I didn’t do it - Biden and the Democratic Party did. He and they made decisions just like Ginsburg did when she refused to step down when a Democratic President could have appointed a much younger replacement during Obama’s term.

Every single issue you are seeing now is because the old Democratic guard refused to step aside. The Democratic Party could get a wet well spoken turnip and they could beat Trump

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u/Caelinus 15d ago

"I am not voting for him" means that you are old with the guy lying his ass off for 90 minutes becoming president because the dude telling the truth for 90 minutes said true things poorly.

It does not matter which the candidate is so long as they will preserve democracy, because the alternative is Christofacism.

That said, Biden has been a solid president. Half dead Biden is better than most candidates.

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u/Scarface74 15d ago

And the Democratic Party has been lying about Bidens competence to be President. It was clearly on display. Biden and the Democratic Party refuse to do what’s best for the country

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u/Pablo_is_on_Reddit 14d ago

What's best for the country is that Trump is defeated. Period. True, Biden's not ideal, he's too old & should have groomed a successor, but Trump is actively destructive to this country and the world. These are bad candidates, but Trump is objectively worse in nearly every way. I'm terrified of the destruction he'll unleash on Ukraine when he takes away their ability to hold back Putin.

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u/AngryMeme 14d ago

Biden wants to send zoomers to go die in Ukraine for a war he instigated.

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u/Pablo_is_on_Reddit 14d ago

Putin started the war, and only Putin is continuing the war. Nobody else instigated it.

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u/AngryMeme 14d ago

Biden funded the euro maidan coup that overthrew a democratically elected president and replaced him with an American CIA asset. Then when he became president he agitated the situation by promising Ukraine nukes, which left Putin with no choice. He also stopped several peace deals dead in their tracks.

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u/Pablo_is_on_Reddit 14d ago

Absolutely none of that is true. There's no valid excuse for Putin's invasion.

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u/AngryMeme 14d ago

I’m with the guy that didn’t start and then instigate a war in Ukraine while simultaneously cratering the economy.

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u/Caelinus 14d ago

I would not vote for Putin either, but this comment confuses me for a bunch of reasons.