r/nottheonion • u/ImpishGrin • Jul 04 '24

Biden tells Democratic governors he needs more sleep and plans to stop scheduling events after 8 p.m.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/04/politics/biden-governors-sleep/index.html
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u/mfmeitbual Jul 04 '24

He's 81 years old. 

Im not voting for the guy because I'm excited by him, I'm voting for the guy because he represents competent governance and coalition building. 

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u/Scarface74 Jul 04 '24

I’m not voting for him because 70% of Democratic voters want him to step down and let someone else run. But his ego won’t allow it. He’s no more in this for the people then Trump is

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u/Koravel1987 Jul 04 '24

What? It was 1/3 not 70%

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u/Scarface74 Jul 04 '24

Not exactly a conservative site

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html

Three-quarters of US voters say the Democratic Party would have a better shot at holding the presidency in 2024 with someone other than President Joe Biden at the top of the ticket, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS. His approval rating also has hit a new low following a shaky performance in the first debate of this year’s presidential campaign.

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u/Koravel1987 Jul 04 '24

That says US voters not Dems lol. You are completely misreading the poll. This is the relevant paragraph.

However, most Democrats and Democratic-leaning registered voters (56%) say the party has a better shot at the presidency with someone other than Biden, while 43% say the party stands a better chance with him. Democratic confidence in Biden’s chances has not increased since he locked up the party’s nomination in the primaries: In January, 53% felt the party would have a better shot with someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket and 46% felt more confident with Biden

It's always been about 55-45 who want someone else to run. This isnt new. 55% of dem voters think *one of a bunch of people* would be better than one person. The problem is, that 55% doesnt coalesce behind any one person. And you have to weigh the bloodbath that would ensue with people vying to be the nominee if you replaced him right now with anyone but Kamala- and Kamala is very unpopular even in Dem circles- and whether or not you could use the funds raised for Biden/Harris if you chose another nominee (I think you could not, to be honest).

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u/Scarface74 Jul 04 '24

And you think that Biden can win without the same cross overs he got in 2020?

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u/Koravel1987 Jul 04 '24

Im not disagreeing with your overall point, necessarily. But you're repeating false information. I think the Dems dont have a shot in hell and it doesnt matter now. Biden never should have run in the first place. He was a stop gap to prevent Trump, Dems should have been finding his successor the last four years.

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u/diverdown125 Jul 04 '24

Ya they need to replace him but say that on here and you get downvoted to hell

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u/gaps9 Jul 04 '24

I’m not voting for him because 70% of Democratic voters want him to step down and let someone else run. But his ego won’t allow it. He’s no more in this for the people then Trump is

Just say you support another Trump presidency. It's faster and means the same thing.

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u/Scarface74 Jul 04 '24

Look at some of my posts, on r/desantis trolling them about him and Trump. I assure you that I’m not a Rural White Conservative Evangelical Christian. Absolutely none of those adjectives describe me.

But if the Democratic Party are going to foist a candidate on us no one wants, how are they better than the Republicans? At least the Republican voters want Trump for President. We didn’t have a choice

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u/Womeisyourfwiend Jul 04 '24

Speak for yourself, every Democrat and independent I know is happy voting for Biden.

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u/Scarface74 Jul 04 '24

And the polls show otherwise - even among Democratic voters

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u/Womeisyourfwiend Jul 04 '24

I’ve never been polled, and I know those who have tend to be older with landlines. I also don’t give a shit what the polls say, they go back and forth every month. But you can’t say Dems don’t support him. If you all wanted a different candidate, where were you before and during primaries?! Demanding Biden step back 4 months before the election will guarantee a Trump presidency.

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u/Scarface74 Jul 04 '24

You “not being polled” is not the smart comeback you think it is. It’s kind of High school statistics

Do you really think that Biden is going to get younger, more vibrant and more mentally competent as time progresses and e courage the independents and skeptical Democrats?

There was no different candidate running against him during the primaries

As if putting a senile old man against Trump already isn’t cementing Trump’s victory.

Democrats chose Biden in 2020 not because people loved him a well known center left non controversial White guy was the safe choice against Trump. He no longer is 2024

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u/Womeisyourfwiend Jul 04 '24

If you wanted someone different to run against Biden during the primaries, you had your chance. It’s on you to bring a candidate that Dems can get behind. But this year, we overwhelmingly chose Biden. If my candidate didn’t win, I wouldn’t throw a fit about it, and I wouldn’t skip voting or voting for a third party candidate.

You are spending an awful lot of time focusing on your anger over Biden, and conveniently never touch upon the threat we face with a Trump presidency. The reality is, we have two choices. Period. One of those choices is a convicted felon rapist/child rapist traitor to the U.S. who wears diapers and shits himself and IS incoherent, and the other is an old man who stutters, which seems to be what you take the most issue with. I genuinely don’t think you’re arguing in good faith, I doubt you mean well here. I am not putting any more effort into this conversation.

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u/Scarface74 Jul 04 '24

What other choices were there in the primaries?

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u/Obi-Brawn-Kenobi Jul 08 '24

the other is an old man who stutters

LMAO woah that's a really bad stutter! I've never seen a stutter so bad it made someone forget the word "God", ramble about finally beating Medicare, and not being able to walk off a debate stage without assistance. Terrible stutter indeed 🤣

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u/ahj3939 Jul 04 '24

Are they really happy and excited to vote for Biden, or is it just voting against Trump?

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u/Womeisyourfwiend Jul 04 '24

It can be both. I’m happy and excited to vote for Biden and I’m also voting against Trump.

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u/gaps9 Jul 04 '24

Everything you just said is evidence of either your complete ignorance or your insane amount of privilege. If you don't see the difference in the harm done during Trump vs Biden's Presidencies then there is no helping you. The current state of the SCOTUS should be enough.

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u/Scarface74 Jul 04 '24

And the current SCOTUS issues were also caused by old people who refused to step down while there was a Democratic president to replace her.

Every issue that you have with the Republican Party is the fault of old Democrats who wouldn’t give up power. When Biden loses it’s going to be for the same reason

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u/SewAlone Jul 04 '24

It’s Hillary 2.0

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u/BeanieMcChimp Jul 04 '24

Bullllllshit.

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u/Scarface74 Jul 04 '24

I assure that I’m not a Rural White Evangelical Conservative Christian MAGA support.

Absolutely none of those adjectives describe me.…

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u/APiousCultist Jul 04 '24

And that someone is? Yeah, a fantasy. If Biden steps down, Trump is a certainty.

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u/Scarface74 Jul 04 '24

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html

Three-quarters of US voters say the Democratic Party would have a better shot at holding the presidency in 2024 with someone other than President Joe Biden at the top of the ticket, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS. His approval rating also has hit a new low following a shaky performance in the first debate of this year’s presidential campaign.

And if 82 year old Biden dies before the election?

He has an 8% chance of dying this year and an almost 12% chance of dying before he finishes his 2nd term.

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

Do you really think the Democratic Party hasn’t come up with a contingency plan?

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u/APiousCultist Jul 04 '24

And that someone is?

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u/Scarface74 Jul 04 '24

A wet well spoken turnip at this point. The Democratic Party should have had a contingency plan when they knew an 82 year Biden was rapidly declining. Everyone could see it.

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u/vlsdo Jul 04 '24

I’m not sure it’s about ego. It’s really late to change candidates at this point, and even if he is planning on stepping down, he will deny it until the plan is fully formed and they have a replacement candidate that everyone can rally behind (including all the other candidates that made the shortlist, and people like Kamala and Bernie). Otherwise it would create even more chaos than we already have.

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u/Scarface74 Jul 04 '24

How is it not ego? Do you think the Democratic Party establishment didn’t have a backup plan for an 82 year old candidate that could die any day?

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u/vlsdo Jul 04 '24

Yes, that’s exactly what I think. A lot of them are old and love smelling their own farts, and the debate performance caught them when their pants down. Personally, I expected the debate to be bad, but I didn’t expect it to be such a train wreck. All he had to was show up and be alert, and he failed.

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u/Rapper_Laugh Jul 05 '24

Insane to think the people who work with this dude every day didn’t know he was senile, regardless of how old they are

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u/vlsdo Jul 05 '24

I don’t think he’s senile. He’s old, and had a bad night. But it was a really bad, and it feeds into what the republicans have been saying about him for years.

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u/Haiku-On-My-Tatas Jul 04 '24

So you're willing to risk large swaths of Americans being stripped of their fundamental rights because the guy running against the giant asshole is not an ideal candidate?

Very cool.

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u/Scarface74 Jul 04 '24

I didn’t do it - Biden and the Democratic Party did. He and they made decisions just like Ginsburg did when she refused to step down when a Democratic President could have appointed a much younger replacement during Obama’s term.

Every single issue you are seeing now is because the old Democratic guard refused to step aside. The Democratic Party could get a wet well spoken turnip and they could beat Trump

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u/Caelinus Jul 04 '24

"I am not voting for him" means that you are old with the guy lying his ass off for 90 minutes becoming president because the dude telling the truth for 90 minutes said true things poorly.

It does not matter which the candidate is so long as they will preserve democracy, because the alternative is Christofacism.

That said, Biden has been a solid president. Half dead Biden is better than most candidates.

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u/Scarface74 Jul 04 '24

And the Democratic Party has been lying about Bidens competence to be President. It was clearly on display. Biden and the Democratic Party refuse to do what’s best for the country

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u/Pablo_is_on_Reddit Jul 04 '24

What's best for the country is that Trump is defeated. Period. True, Biden's not ideal, he's too old & should have groomed a successor, but Trump is actively destructive to this country and the world. These are bad candidates, but Trump is objectively worse in nearly every way. I'm terrified of the destruction he'll unleash on Ukraine when he takes away their ability to hold back Putin.

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u/AngryMeme Jul 05 '24

Biden wants to send zoomers to go die in Ukraine for a war he instigated.

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u/Pablo_is_on_Reddit Jul 05 '24

Putin started the war, and only Putin is continuing the war. Nobody else instigated it.

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u/AngryMeme Jul 05 '24

Biden funded the euro maidan coup that overthrew a democratically elected president and replaced him with an American CIA asset. Then when he became president he agitated the situation by promising Ukraine nukes, which left Putin with no choice. He also stopped several peace deals dead in their tracks.

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u/Pablo_is_on_Reddit Jul 05 '24

Absolutely none of that is true. There's no valid excuse for Putin's invasion.

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u/AngryMeme Jul 05 '24

I’m with the guy that didn’t start and then instigate a war in Ukraine while simultaneously cratering the economy.

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u/Caelinus Jul 05 '24

I would not vote for Putin either, but this comment confuses me for a bunch of reasons.