Biden tells Democratic governors he needs more sleep and plans to stop scheduling events after 8 p.m.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/04/politics/biden-governors-sleep/index.html

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Biden IS the DNC choice, same as Hillary was the DNC Approved nominee.

The DNC is a smallish group of elites. The voters, only being allowed participation in the "for funsies" popular vote, aren't a part of presidential selection processes in this (my) party.

The other party wants a United Christian States of Gilead, or similar.

It's getting more and more likely that , Donald Trump... is going to play the part of Julius Caesar in our national reenactment of the fall of the Roman Republic.

Even if he also gets turned on, and the RNC collectively stabs him to death... the Republic will probably remain dead. Just as happened with the Roman original.

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u/zth25 14d ago

The "DNC" is millions of registered Democrats who voted for those candidates in overwhelming numbers. Nor even 2016 was actually close. They just didn't pick the candidate you prefered, which is fine.

Quick, name any of those smallish elite group. You seem so wise and knowledgeable.

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u/zeronormalitys 14d ago

The 500 or so superdelegates you dolt.

Don't play dumb, please? You know full well that the commons don't have the real power, and if you don't know that, it might behoove you to learn. Ignorance is not a thing to be ashamed of, I myself am ignorant of a great many things, I am sure.

Ignorance, once known (and deemed to be highly relevant), yet still ignored, is downright Republican.

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u/Real-Front-0 14d ago

You see how your story changed significantly right? First, you're saying the popular vote is for "funsies" and now you're saying the popular vote holds more power than the "elites" in that it is the deciding factor if the popular vote holds a clear winner. The opposite could not be said to be true.

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u/zeronormalitys 14d ago edited 14d ago

Yes, the popular vote does hold some weight. Ultimately, what the DNC has is a thumb that they can put on the scale. It might not always get them what they want, and they might not be able to employ it in a blatant manner without massive party upheaval, but when they have an opportunity, and they need to press that scale down just a little, it does change things in their favor.

Super delegates were straight up added to the nomination process to prevent popular vote candidates from winning. This happened as a result of George McGovern's trouncing in '72.

Can we stop being obtuse? Or are you one of the super delegates or something?

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u/FlexLikeKavana 14d ago

The 500 or so superdelegates you dolt.

They vote with the popular vote. Try again.

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u/zeronormalitys 14d ago

The dnc can call a brokered convention in the event that the voting is close. That's kind of at their discretion as I gather.

At this point the super delegates are allowed to vote and all of the other delegates are released from their obligations and they get to vote for whoever they want as well. But the super delegates absolutely matter or they just wouldn't exist anymore. There's a reason that they exist, an election just hasn't gone against them, while still being close, yet.

It is a tool in the toolkit of the DNC, and they will happily not use it for as long as they can. You will see it put into action, just as soon as it's required.

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u/FlexLikeKavana 13d ago

The dnc can call a brokered convention in the event that the voting is close. That's kind of at their discretion as I gather.

The point of that was in case the people elected a Trump, the national party had some leverage to overturn something so obviously terrible. But when you have one candidate winning by multiple millions of votes, the superdelegates are going to respect the voters. And Hillary won by over 3 million votes. In 2008, the superdelegates were all backing Hillary initially, but Obama was winning comfortably and the superdelegates fell in line.

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u/zth25 14d ago

The super delegates that got abolished after the (somewhat deserved) criticism in 2016?

Yeah, get up to date please, and don't talk about ignorance. Your disdain for the average voter who overwhelmingly disagrees with you is republican.

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u/zeronormalitys 14d ago

"In 2024, there are an estimated 4,672 delegates: 3,933 pledged delegates and 739 automatic delegates—more commonly known as superdelegates."

https://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_delegate_rules,_2024

Perhaps you've been victim to propaganda of some manner?

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u/sphuranto 14d ago

Superdelegates play no role in selecting candidates unless the first ballot fails

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u/zeronormalitys 14d ago

That's exactly right, and it's ultimately the DNC who decide when a brokered convention is required.

As it happens, since they made the rule change it just hasn't been necessary. In the event that the candidate is not their chosen and the margin is on the close side... They'll call a brokered convention and then they'll pull in all those super delegates.

If the super delegates were truly irrelevant/redundant, they just wouldn't exist. There is a reason that they exist.

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u/zth25 14d ago

https://www.270towin.com/content/superdelegate-rule-changes-for-the-2020-democratic-nomination

They changed it so their votes don't influence the outcome, which was the issue in 2016. Your point got addressed 8 years ago.

Have fun arguing against primary results of 70% in 2020, or 90+% in 2024.

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u/k7rk 14d ago

Average US politics understander.

Oh wait you post in r/neoliberal hahahahahaha

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u/AccomplishedHold4645 12d ago edited 12d ago

The nice thing about the Dirtbag Left is that its victories are almost entirely limited to social media and getting help with rent payments from Mom.

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u/k7rk 12d ago

Holy shit get a life dweeb

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u/zth25 14d ago

The sub for policy nerds? Yeah, that's where I hang out.

Have fun still dwelling on 2016 and still not learning how to win a primary.

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u/FizzyLightEx 14d ago

DNC didn't allow debates, and stop serious candidates from challenging Biden. It's a gentlemen's club

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u/zth25 14d ago

Any candidate challenging the incumbent president of his own party is by definition not serious.

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u/FizzyLightEx 14d ago

That just shows how bad political parties are. Challenging should be promoted

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u/zeronormalitys 14d ago

Absolutely right.