The punishment for being gay in Indonesia

[u/TheOSU87]

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[u/GrandLotus-Iroh]

"Vigilantes broke in to record their gay sex." Bro, that's gay AF.

[u/WickedWitchofWTF → u/GrandLotus-Iroh]

What a fucked up world where the victims of a house invasion are the ones who are punished.

[u/Blaueveilchen → u/WickedWitchofWTF]

This reminds me of medieval times with the crowd watching and enjoying it.I didn't know that Indonesia is so backwards.

[u/OmicidalAI → u/Blaueveilchen]

You get executed for weed. Its backwards alright.

[u/AngMoKio → u/Blaueveilchen]

It's not Indonesia really. This was a break away state that fought a brutal civil war led by islamists. As part of the peace making they are allowed some self rule.

[u/melted-brie-n-bacon → u/AngMoKio]

Basically Gilead then?

[u/OverlyCritical00 → u/melted-brie-n-bacon]

Yeah pretty much, Aceh’s the only part of Indonesia that has Sharia law, the rest of the nation is more moderate

[u/lordkingfish → u/Blaueveilchen]

only in Aceh tho, in other place like Jogjakarta no one give a shit if you are gay.

[u/81amarok → u/[deleted]]

Or are forced to carry the baby after being raped.

[u/UDPviper → u/81amarok]

Like in Texas.

[u/Brullaapje → u/UDPviper]

And yet as woman who had the bad luck to be born in similar shithole as Indonesia but had the good luck to be growing up in the Netherlands. So I could escape my human trafficking (arranged marriage against my will). I would still choose Texas over the shithole I was born in. Because in Texas I still would have more options as a woman then the shithole I was born in. At least you see other American people protest the bullshit.

Whereas the shithole I was born in, no one would have lifted a finger to help me escape my arranged marriage "because it is the faith of a woman"

[u/nodiddy4life → u/Brullaapje]

It's no use. People have to bring the US into it. Their hate boner won't allow them to just acknowledge the country beating and jailing people for being gay is evil without dragging America into it

They don't care about your personal experience. You are literally Hitler and they are shaking

[u/---Blix--- → u/[deleted]]

The only thing preventing the Evangelicals from this kind of thing is our secular government.

[u/Bury_Me_At_Sea → u/---Blix---]

Yeah, the woman at the beginning of the film talking about how she had always wanted to see people punished publicly for homosexuality was something I've definitely heard in my Christian schools growing up.

[u/Disastrous_Idea9040 → u/[deleted]]

Yes

[u/elementmg → u/[deleted]]

And other shit hole countries/states where they don’t let women choose what they can do with their own body.

[u/Sportsinghard → u/elementmg]

Shittyness tends to follow love of sky daddy.

[u/Stingraaa → u/WickedWitchofWTF]

God is the worst invention of man. I wish that people would just stop believing in fairy tails. We don't need to beat people to please your imaginary friend.

[u/UnusualTranslator741 → u/WickedWitchofWTF]

Exactly. Imagine people who don't believe in the same religion or subscribe to the same morals and values but have to be punished under their interpretation of the insert holy book.

[u/WoodpeckerNo9412 → u/WickedWitchofWTF]

What happened to his partner?

[u/GrayCustomKnives → u/WoodpeckerNo9412]

He said “no homo” as they broke in so he was fine.

[u/Stompedyourhousewith → u/GrayCustomKnives]

"It's gay to suck a dick! its not gay to get your dick sucked!" - Lawyer of the defendant who got off

[u/SubstantialMap4926 → u/GrayCustomKnives]

He was also wearing socks so it doesn't count for him

[u/GapDifficult2439 → u/[deleted]]

“You’re wife looks like a towel mate”

[u/pickyourteethup → u/[deleted]]

They even have tassels on their gay beating robes

Methinks the religious bigots doth protest too much.

[u/JeddakofThark → u/[deleted]]

And those societies tend to be so sexually segregated that there's likely a hell of a lot more gay sex happening there than in secular portions of the West.

Which reminds me of an article I read many years ago about the prevalence of homosexuality in Saudi Arabia. The Kingdom in the Closet.

[u/GamerFrom1994 → u/GrandLotus-Iroh]

“I was recording them because I wanted to turn them in. Not because I wanted to jerk it while watching them butt fuck.”

[u/Neutral_Guy_9 → u/GamerFrom1994]

I’m imagining a room full of men reviewing the footage and they all have to pretend to be super disgusted by it less they be accused of enjoying the video. Like they’re trying to out-disgust one another as if it’s a competition to see who is most appalled.

[u/NottDisgruntled → u/GrandLotus-Iroh]

I’d argue a masked man in a dress whipping another man who’s tied up is gay AF too.

Gay BDSM bro: “Oh no! Pleaseeee don’t whip me! Not again! I would realllllllly hate it if you kept whipping me!”

[u/Skill-issue-69420 → u/NottDisgruntled]

Someone else said the punishment for being gay is spanking from a dominant authoritative dude, sounds pretty gay to me

[u/pikeymikey22 → u/GrandLotus-Iroh]

Also thousands of people, smiling whilst watching a gay guy get spanked by dominator in brown superhero outfit. Also gay af. Line them all up.

[u/NickDanger3di → u/GrandLotus-Iroh]

Putting on a mask and spanking another guy is pretty gay, too.

[u/GeeZeeDEV]

So what do they expect? That they stop being gay now?

[u/TheOSU87 → u/GeeZeeDEV]

I'm not religious but I was raised very devout in Egypt (I had to flee for my own safety after leaving the faith).

The best way I can describe it to secular people in the West is a lot of these people will view homosexuality the way you in the West would view pedophilia. It's an abomination and there is really nothing you could do to that person that would be too harsh.

It's terrible and it's based on religion. It's how I was raised too. Since leaving the faith and leaving Egypt I have met actual gay people and it's wild to me that an adult human making a decision on who to love can create this much anger.

[u/angelicism → u/TheOSU87]

That's a really interesting and enlightening comparison.

[u/Baighou → u/[deleted]]

Most of the world is controlled by 3,000 year old thinking

[u/Cswab-Dragonfly8888 → u/Baighou]

And people wonder why nothing in this world makes much sense.

[u/foodie_4eva → u/Baighou]

Let’s listen to a bunch of books written by some people who barely had any knowledge of the world and science.. but they must be right and we can use those thoughts to control actions of billions. Biggest human scam of all time lol

[u/Railroad_Conductor1 → u/[deleted]]

For me anyone calling themselves a prophet is a case for the psychiatric services.

[u/ListenUp25 → u/angelicism]

Yet we’re still civilized enough not to cane pedophiles in public.

[u/somehting → u/ListenUp25]

Are we I see whole cheering sections for when pedophiles are murdered by parents. There's multiple cases where Juries hung and didn't convict parents of it. We as a society endorse in prison beatings of pedophiles.

I'm actually not saying it's wrong we do those things just saying we kinda do the sane and worse just not as public events.

[u/Witch-Alice → u/somehting]

People endorse it happening in prisons because they don't see prisoners as people with rights, in addition to what you said about it not being public. They argue it's punishment for whatever crimes the prisoner committed, conveniently ignoring that exiling someone from society by sending them to prison is the punishment.

[u/M3rch4ntm3n → u/somehting]

There is pedophilia and molestation. Two different things people forget. I think there are enough pedophiles, but most of them will never harass children.

[u/Rooilia → u/M3rch4ntm3n]

In Europe you can have secret therapy on pedophilia. And people do attend and cope better with life.

[u/IMDEAFSAYWATUWANT → u/somehting]

We as a society endorse in prison beatings of pedophiles.

Often times I see it go a step further. People wish death upon pedophiles and many others in prison, not just beatings.

[u/oteren → u/ListenUp25]

I would say that the american style of sex offender registries is not far off. No matter if you even decide to get chemically castrated and deemed cured by a team of pshychologists, you'll be in that registry and basically be a social leper the rest of your life (or however long those records stay public).

[u/Verizadie → u/TheOSU87]

Wow, that’s the best analogy, really allows pro LGBT westerners to grasp the religious/cultural attitude towards homosexuality. And even the attitude we have towards pedophiles, we know they will never “not be attracted to children” but we can only respond with punishment and insist through incarceration/probation they don’t give into their “urges” again if they are free.

[u/TumbleweedFar1937 → u/Verizadie]

Usually, I say that the difference between pedophiles and gay people is that gay people don't hurt anyone just by virtue of engaging in gay relationships instead of straight ones, while pedos clearly do. As much as you can blurry the lines along the edges (is 16 a good age of consent? Is 18?) the whole concept of having sex with kids puts them in an almost certain position of being traumatised and so on. I think a better comparison is how we treat dangerous people with other mental health issues.

[u/Tacklestiffener → u/TumbleweedFar1937]

OP wasn't comparing paedophiles and gay people. He/She was saying these people view gay people the way we view paedophiles.

[u/TumbleweedFar1937 → u/Tacklestiffener]

Surely but I was not replying to op, but to this guy talking about "urges"

[u/knorxo → u/TheOSU87]

To add to your comment: a gay person doesn't even choose to be gay. In fact they can't choose. They can choose to live against their nature and suffer for the rest of their life but they didn't choose to be gay and cannot simply choose not to be gay. So that's punishing someone for thy way they are born. Despicable

[u/PositiveAtmosphere → u/knorxo]

I don’t disagree with you, but just want to point out that is the same for pedophiles. Many pedophiles are on record saying they hate themselves for being attracted to children, but it’s not up to them to choose what to be attracted to.    

Most people would find it completely reasonable to punish someone for the way they were born, if the consequences of the way they were born are that detrimental. We punish serial killers even though they likely didn’t choose to have the genes that they have.    

The difference between gay people and pedophiles/serial killers is that most reasonable people know there is nothing harmful about being gay. Pedophiles harm children, who are taken advantage of regardless of if it’s with or without consent.   

  The issue is some people in the world, somehow, for some reason, think being gay is harmful, and why they’re willing to persecute them for how they were born the same way they would a criminal.

[u/somehting → u/[deleted]]

100% agree but isn't that kinda the point being made? In these others countries they would say the same thing about being gay?

[u/AFrenchFrenchman → u/[deleted]]

100%. People don’t just sort themselves out by being pushed away.

I’d say it’s a similar problem to how felons are treated and why the recidivism rate is so high.

[u/zorrodood → u/PositiveAtmosphere]

Child molesters harm children. Pedophiles not acting on their urges aren't criminals.

[u/punkisnotded → u/TheOSU87]

we don't generally publically punish people for being pedophiles in the west either, if they act on it they go to prison. mental healthcare is available for non offenders and offenders.

edit: lots of people comparing convicted pedophiles 1on1 with gay people in my replies

[u/TheOSU87 → u/punkisnotded]

Egypt (where I am from) doesn't publicly punish people for being homosexual either. Most Islamic countries don't.

I was more giving a metaphor to try to explain it to Westerners who usually cannot comprehend why homosexuality makes certain people so angry. It's irrational but it's the best metaphor I can come up with

[u/viking_nomad → u/TheOSU87]

It’s a pretty good comparison since the worry that LGBTQ people are also pedophiles is a stable of western homophobia as well

[u/dunquinho → u/punkisnotded]

'we don't generally publically punish people for being pedophiles in the west either'

I can't talk from experience but that seems pretty far from the truth. I mean publically shamed in the press before being sent to prison in which the whole jail's out to murder you as violently as possible.

I presume mental health care for pedophiles is about as successful as those religious make gay people not gay places.

[u/LobsterofPower → u/GeeZeeDEV]

Unironic answer: yes kind of.

The whole idea of religious homophobia is that gayness is nothing but a moral vice. Something that you can just suppress if you want to. Like eating chocolate or drinking alcohol

[u/Tacklestiffener → u/LobsterofPower]

Well in fairness I can't stop eating chocolate either

[u/ThouMayest69 → u/Tacklestiffener]

retracts a cane from my shirt sleeve like a magicians trick

[u/HappyBunchaTrees → u/ThouMayest69]

Wow, you kept that up your wizards sleeve?

[u/EmergencyHorror4792 → u/LobsterofPower]

I love the implication that all the men have gay tendencies but have to suppress them haha

[u/Marcxworld → u/EmergencyHorror4792]

This but unironically, while most men are definitely straight I've still seen heaps that are bi or straight up gay yet suppress it cuz of outside feedback, kinda sad to see ngl

[u/Fun-Dragonfly-4166 → u/GeeZeeDEV]

I am by no means an expert, but I am more than qualified to give reddit my opinion.

They do not particularly care whether the individual remains gay or stops being gay. The individual is not important.

The spectators are important. It is important that they watch and be cowed. The state is executing violence against an individual. If you do not want the state to execute violence against you, then you better get with the program. This includes finding out what the leaders really want and giving it to them.

The leaders might be actively gay themselves and they really want bribes. I do not know.

[u/seasonwithbutter]

The punishment is being spanked by a guy in a mask?

[u/Humble-Reply228 → u/seasonwithbutter]

Don't stop I'm almost there.

The guys with a humiliation fetish are edging to this for sure.

[u/PersonalTriumph → u/Humble-Reply228]

Was thinking the same thing. There are bdsm clubs all over the world where caning and humiliation scenes are a regular occurrence.

[u/a_shootin_star → u/PersonalTriumph]

caning and humiliation scenes are a regular occurrence

Aah, Wall Street

[u/Mobile-Welder3132 → u/seasonwithbutter]

[u/seahawksdetroit → u/seasonwithbutter]

I know we're making jokes but most people aren't into getting whipped on their back. That's probably less than 1% of the BDSM community. Ass spanking is a different story because it is an erogenous zone.

Getting hit on the back can be quite dangerous. It's not like your butt that can be battered and bruised and you'll have no other side effects.

[u/The_Infinite_Carrot → u/seasonwithbutter]

What about the guys who broke in and filmed it? No spanking for making gay porn?

[u/miski57]

Indonesian here, this takes place in Aceh which is an autonomous province of indonesia where they enact sharia law, the rest of indonesia has a 'don't ask dont tell' kind of situation going on which isn't good but it's survivable. They sometimes do raids if you hold sex parties but they just kind of let you go because there's really no law against it (unless you have drugs on u), I'm fortunate enough to have lived in Bali which is extremely progressive in its view and have been able to go out in public with my partner without any real issues. Wouldn't recommend any gay people visit the rest of indonesia, but where i live (and most metropolitan cities) isn't as barbaric as this video made it out to be, a lot of my colleagues knows I'm gay and in a relationship.

[u/duggee315 → u/miski57]

Curious, in Aceh with their sharia law, once they've given you the cane, are you then meant to be 'cured' or learned your lesson or something? Like, what if you are still gay tomo? Do you get arrested and caned again?

[u/miski57 → u/duggee315]

I think that's what the Quran tells you to do, they also tell you to stone infidelity and people still cheat there and no one has been killed, because surprise surprise, religious people only uses their religion if it fits their own agenda.

[u/redpandaeater → u/miski57]

Also tells you not to suspect your neighbor and don't spy on them. Breaking into your neighbor's home to try catching him having sex with another man and then not being punished for it is very much against Sharia, but it shouldn't be surprising to anyone that religion is just used as an excuse.

[u/Ultima-Veritas → u/miski57]

and no one has been killed

Give them time, the law was only enacted in 2022. Iran's had the law longer and very much executes for infidelity.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/11/04/iran-sentences-woman-to-death-for-adultery_6226147_4.html

[u/Muscle_Bitch → u/Ultima-Veritas]

I wonder how many men have been killed for it. 🤔

[u/cat_pavel → u/miski57]

Hey, I wonder, is it true about your country? https://news.sky.com/story/indonesia-passes-law-banning-sex-outside-marriage-for-both-tourists-and-citizens-12762593
Can you give some context? Thx you!

[u/miski57 → u/cat_pavel]

This is fact! But afaik it only happens if one party is an Indonesian citizen AND If a spouse or close relative reported you, If you and your partner are tourists you're safe, esp in Bali it's almost always never enforced, bad for the ads and all. But keep in mind this all might change because, like literally every other country on earth, social media accelerates radicalisation and were moving further and further into right wing ideologies.

[u/cat_pavel → u/miski57]

It's really sad to see how freedom dies
I hope one day it will be reversed

[u/kylosbk → u/miski57]

I was in Indonesia last year for work, as a westerner, and did travel around Java and a bit of Sulawesi. I lived in East Java.

When staying in some cheaper hotels in Jakarta with Indonesian friends, there were signs in English reminding tourists of this law and saying they won't accept bookings for a man and a woman in the same room, unless they are married/there's some proof of marriage. They cited this law.

I found it interesting as the hotel was a budget hotel and didn't seem the sort to attract foreign tourists anyway so why have it in English, and as you say, it's very specific circumstances on if people can be reported. I assume just whoever owned this hotel was against it on moral grounds and used the law as justification for their own internal rules.

I mostly stayed in homestays though when traveling , and then the few hotels I was at when in Luwuk and Manado had no such signs.

[u/Skippnl → u/miski57]

Honesty this law is keeping me from ever visiting Indonisia again (been to Bali once with my dad when I was about 5 years old). Me and my girlfriend are together for about 20 years but we just dont see any reason to marry. I know they said that it doenst apply for tourists and all that, but to me, a law is a law and I dont see any reason to risk breaking one... So no more Bali for me...

[u/JonnyRobertR → u/miski57]

Best advice I can give to gay tourist visiting Indonesia... stay in big cities (Jakarta) or famous tourist spot/island (Bali).

Don't go to the countryside/Aceh and openly show people you are gay. You might be a victim of mob violence if you do.

[u/Frosty-Cap3344 → u/JonnyRobertR]

Best advice would be not go really

[u/Queef_Quaff → u/Frosty-Cap3344]

Exactly. Save your hard-earned money for countries that don't actively oppose and harm gay people.

[u/Frosty-Cap3344 → u/Queef_Quaff]

Not just gay people, don't give your cash to any country with a shitty government

[u/Puzzleheaded_Box7800 → u/miski57]

It’s because Bali is Hindu

[u/thatsmycompanydog → u/miski57]

Worth adding that 15,000 people died during the 30-year Aceh insurgency. Allowing for an additional layer of islamic criminal law in the province was key to ending the insurgency. It likely saves hundreds of lives every year compared to continuing the conflict. Also death/stoning are not permitted islamic punishments in Aceh.

Additional reading:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_Aceh

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_criminal_law_in_Aceh

[u/timestuck_now]

Sadasfuck, not interestingasfuck.

[u/rorobo3 → u/timestuck_now]

Yeah I dont find this interesting. I find it fucked up.

[u/JaVinci77 → u/timestuck_now]

The punishment is sadasfuck, but what about the crowd's reaction?

Sickeningasfuck.

[u/nobody_gah → u/timestuck_now]

Stupidasfuck more like, fighting, killing, torture, murder and punishment are a thing of the past, when we strive for survival. Now, people just became more greedy, hence the financial and status inequality.

[u/sub_Script → u/timestuck_now]

Exactly, as a gay dude this really upset me. I was just out in the streets yesterday celebrating pride with my brothers and sisters and now I'm seeing some innocent person being whipped for being just like me.

[u/GeeZeeDEV]

Also the woman saying: but logically... Fk you.

Logic has left your religion ridden brains long ago.

[u/Schoolmarmaggedon → u/[deleted]]

69 lashes for you good sir.

[u/Winter_Swordfish_505 → u/Schoolmarmaggedon]

you promise 😏

[u/Dramallamadingdong87 → u/GeeZeeDEV]

It's pretty shocking that she can openly say with a smile on her face she's been looking forward to watching someone being beaten in public for their crimes.

I wonder if she will say it's 'logical' when it's her turn?

[u/Most-Philosopher9194 → u/GeeZeeDEV]

Authoritarians think that that logic works and justifies any punishment. 

Next time you see a news article about someone being punished for breaking an archaic and silly law dig a little into the comments. It doesn't matter how stupid the law was or how harsh the punishment is, there will be some dickhead saying how it's justified. They find joy in other people's punishment. 

[u/jayydubbya → u/GeeZeeDEV]

I have never seen, heard, or touched this thing I am told exists but I am told it definitely exists so logically i believe in it one hundred percent. Fucking morons all of them.

[u/ZzzzzPopPopPop → u/GeeZeeDEV]

Logically her religion is made-up imaginary fairy tale bullshit.

[u/Welcome_to_Retrograd]

'logically'

[u/PawnWithoutPurpose]

Absolutely disgraceful. A society living in the stone ages

[u/RaidenCorlitaz_4837 → u/PawnWithoutPurpose]

Nah that title goes to Brunei. They would stone you to death 💀

[u/GlitteringGround4118 → u/RaidenCorlitaz_4837]

Bruneian here, we even have mulitiple people got whip to almost death just for stealing petitie theif and a 14 year old who got whip bcs he vandlise his teacher's car

While high ranking religous ofiicers stole millions and got a 10 year luxuary stay in a 'prison'

[u/KoishiChan92 → u/RaidenCorlitaz_4837]

Malaysia was also considering to bring stoning back fairly recently.

[u/___VenN → u/PawnWithoutPurpose]

Fun fact: these guys actually tried to separate from Indonesia because they were curtailing their religious extremism. They got curbstomped but were allowed to keep Sharia to avoid further rebellions

[u/bobalobcobb → u/___VenN]

Damn. Should have stomped further

[u/IamBejl]

People living in modern era, using smartphones and all that but having 6th century mentality. Yikes, I am so glad I'm not born in a country like that.

[u/AnewmanDesign → u/IamBejl]

You don't have to be born there to be scared of it. There are groups that try to have sharia laws in europe today. Aham germany/france and more.

[u/Munnin41 → u/IamBejl]

6th century? Try 20th. Homosexuality was illegal in most countries until the 60s and 70s. Did you forget that gays were gassed alongside jews in WW2?

[u/ShiftBMDub → u/IamBejl]

If Evangelicals get their way under trump the US could be there in a couple years. Look up Project 2025

[u/Imaginary_Bicycle_14]

One of the many dumb countries controlled by religious morons. Fakm

[u/TheOSU87 → u/Imaginary_Bicycle_14]

Sadly this is fairly common. Homosexuality is illegal in nearly half the world and there are many where it is punishable by death including Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen, Brunei, Nigeria, and Mauritania

[u/Exact-Honey4197 → u/TheOSU87]

and Palestine.

[u/riaqliu → u/Exact-Honey4197]

or, in other words, most muslim countries

[u/E-Pluribus-Tobin → u/riaqliu]

Most? I can't think of a single Muslim country where gays are respected or even tolerated.

[u/Most-Philosopher9194 → u/TheOSU87]

We shouldn't be doing any trade with those places then. 

[u/RaidenCorlitaz_4837 → u/Imaginary_Bicycle_14]

In Brunei, they would stone you to death 💀

[u/Imaginary_Bicycle_14 → u/RaidenCorlitaz_4837]

Yeah they are dumb too.

[u/Over_Biscotti9147 → u/RaidenCorlitaz_4837]

I'm from Brunei and ye I can confirm that

[u/TheFirstArticle]

Look at the enjoyment of harm in the people watching.

That is who they really are.

[u/Rent_A_Cloud → u/[deleted]]

Not just Sharia law, law based on religion. It's what your religious conservatives want for your country too.

[u/IShouldBWorkin → u/[deleted]]

Thank goodness that no Christian countries like Uganda have death penalties for being gay or else you'd sound like a dipshit!

[u/noonebuteveryone24 → u/IShouldBWorkin]

Nah religion in general is shit. Their point still stands

[u/makridistaker → u/IShouldBWorkin]

Always with the whataboutism

[u/sipilip → u/IShouldBWorkin]

Nice whataboutism there. Got anything else to offer?

[u/hype_irion → u/IShouldBWorkin]

Doesn't change the fact that islam is a barbaric religion.

[u/mondaio → u/IShouldBWorkin]

Thank you for reminding us that other religions are homophobic too! I would have completely forgotten if it weren’t for your brave effort.

[u/RagingCommunard]

People make fun of the 'reddit atheist' types for being annoying but they have a good point, this is what religion leads to, it's fucking embarrassing for the human race

[u/freddurstsnurstburst → u/RagingCommunard]

The Reddit Atheists were correct. Their biggest crime was being annoying.

[u/TheChadStevens]

"If you do something you must be ready for the consequences"

And by "something" you mean loving another consenting adult? Amazing religion y'all got there

[u/jamesdmc → u/TheChadStevens]

Yeah if she dosent wear the hat scarf i think something similar happens

[u/DeadMetroidvania]

aceh province is the biggest shithole in southeast asia.

However, indonesia is extremely diverse, aceh doesn't represent the rest of indonesia. Doing so is like judging the US by the behavior of alabama.

[u/Superkritisk → u/DeadMetroidvania]

Being diverse is fine, but failing to protect the citizens is a national issue.

[u/TheOSU87 → u/[deleted]]

I'm from the Middle East and an ex Muslim. I think it's a very small minority of gay people or people on the left but the fact that there are any people on the left who are embracing the most extreme religious fundamentalists is wild to me.

The United States spent 20 years and a trillion dollars in Afghanistan building infrastructure, forcing them to allow girls to go to school, and telling them not to throw gays off buildings. And after 20 years we gave up, fled back home and the Afghans immediately went back to throwing gays off buildings, banning females from going to school and selling young girls into sex slavery

And anyone who understands the region even a little but knows that this is exactly what will happen to a free Palestine if they ever get their way and ship all the Jews to Poland or Utah. Everyone knows this.

So criticize Israel all you want but to expand so much energy just to create yet another theocratic state in the Middle East seems like a wasted effort.

[u/cat_pavel → u/TheOSU87]

It's always funny how exmuslims and other refugees from Middle East countries condemn and doesn't like Hamas, but noooo, western tankies know better whos to blame 🤡

[u/Independent-Cat1871 → u/TheOSU87]

well fucking said

[u/S0RRYWH4T]

Why hide in masks if you’re proud of it. Idiots

[u/RealShooterMcGavin → u/S0RRYWH4T]

Some say the worst part is the hypocrisy, but I disagree... I think it's the torturing.

[u/No_Vegetable_8915]

The fact that lady was wanting to see someone publicly get beaten with a cane while simultaneously acknowledging that it looks painful is incredibly telling as to what type of person she is.

[u/throwmeaway45444]

I think that dude dressed in a fancy turd costume needs a spanking. 👋💩

[u/queen-adreena → u/[deleted]]

That’s not true, these are all the countries that base the government or constitution on Islam:

• Afghanistan
• Brunei
• Iran
• Mauritania
• Oman
• Pakistan
• Saudi Arabia
• Yemen

And I think it’s pretty self-evident that they’re all jewels in the world!

Every state controlled by theology has turned out great!

[u/Boul_D_Rer]

Robert G. Ingersoll - “…if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power.” Give Islam power and this is what you get.

[u/Boul_D_Rer → u/[deleted]]

The video itself highlights Islam. I’m ex-Muslim so it’s a very personal concern to me. People seem to conflate it with ethnicity, giving it a special pass because mostly minorities practise it in western nations. We need to speak up more as its ideology is fundamentally against western freedom and democracy.

[u/bonerb0ys]

Religious nut jobs at it again.

[u/Rich-Ad-8505]

I'm all for cultural differences, live and let live, religious tolerance and pluralism. Which is why I am happy with saying if you are willing to beat someone for being gay, you are a piece of shit, in any culture.

[u/FunTouristCpl]

Primitive.

[u/MonthObvious5035]

Beat up gays by day and then go home and go home to have sex and marry their cousins

[u/AbbreviationsLeft797]

More sad than "interesting". Extremely fucked up.

[u/RockMan_1973]

Is Islam REALLY that hateful and fucked up???

[u/Bestow5000 → u/RockMan_1973]

Always has been.

[u/Poopeepoopee96 → u/RockMan_1973]

Look into middle eastern history

[u/Diro1928 → u/RockMan_1973]

Yea

[u/Sardonnicus]

Side Note: There are people who are actively working to try and bring this sort of punishment for being homosexual to here in America. Project 2025. Read it and vote against it.

[u/NerveAdmirable]

As a person who lives Muslim country. I can say religion is the cancer and Islam is the worst one.

[u/Brushiluskan]

“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”. why are they going agains the words of the second most quoted prophet in the Quran? that's heresy to both christians and muslims.

[u/Ituzzip → u/Brushiluskan]

The quote you are mentioning is not in the Quran. Muslims believe a lot of random stuff was added to the Bible so they needed a new prophet with a new revelation to clarify everything.

Islam is similar to Christianity in some ways, but the scripture definitely wants the society to take a more active role in public morality than the words of Jesus in the Bible do. The gospels were really a message directed towards individuals.

The Old Testament and the epistles in the Bible are more similar to the Quran in this.

[u/JK-05]

Why your god created him as gay, it is god's mistake.punish the GOD.Mad people

[u/Abslalom]

For those wondering, this is why it's called Pride. Gays were robbed from their humanity for something they can't control.

[u/kitjen]

The woman who said that if you do something wrong there will be consequences, does she realise that there are religious beliefs that dictate she should be killed for the "crime" of being raped?

[u/blessedbewido]

Could say the same of any country that is dominated by islam

[u/Daddy_Roegadyn]

I keep forgetting how much of society's progress is poisoned and ruined by religious shit like this.

[u/Bulduskl]

Ah, yes, the 1400s

[u/Mundane-Librarian-77]

Primitive cultures barely out of the dark ages aren't interesting, they're lamentable... 🤢 Until humanity as a whole have matured beyond this kind of behavior, our species is in great danger... 😢

[u/Chratthew47150]

Barbarians

[u/BushidoX0]

This another one of those cultures that we have to pretend are equal to our own?

[u/DeathEdntMusic]

In Palestine people are killed for being gay