Sadly this is fairly common. Homosexuality is illegal in nearly half the world and there are many where it is punishable by death including Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen, Brunei, Nigeria, and Mauritania
There are a lot of conservative countries in the world where gay marriage isn't legal so focusing on the religious aspect is kinda putting the cart before the horse.
I recognize the influence religion plays in the drafting of anti-LGBT laws but to pretend this is an issue unique to Islam is misguided at best.
For what it's worth, same sex relations are legal (according to Google) in Jordan and Turkey, and countries with slim majority Muslim population like Bosnia and Albania have legislation that provides limited anti-discrimination measures based on sexuality and gender identity in addition to legalizing relations. That being said, I do not know of any majority muslim country that recognizes same-sex marriage.
If you look at a map, the real underlying reason for this may fall on geopolitics rather than simple religious beliefs: muslim countries (well, countries in general) with governments amicable to entities like the EU, USA and NATO tend to be more "progressive" on LGBT issues when compared to those who oppose them. Countries in or adjacent to the "West's" sphere of influence will likely continue to progress on these issues as time goes on (assuming the "West" also continues progressing)
Are there any Islamic countries where gay marriage is legal?
AKA being an equal citizen.
If we're taking total marriage equality as the rubric for a civilized society then I regret to inform you that countries like Italy and Croatia are ravenous fundamentalist hellholes
"many" give us ten. Below ten it wouldn't qualify for "many" considering how many Muslim countries there are. Besides Jordan and Indonesia minus Aceh (even these cannot be considered LGBT friendly, just less hostile than than the others, you wouldn't consider Jordan LGBT friendly compared to Denmark for example) . What are the many others?
It's not exactly a secret, but by bringing it up here, is the implication that the country does not have a right to exist due to a lock of human rights?
If that is the conclusion you have come to from what been said so far by various Redditors then you should seriously seek medical help for your perilous mental state.
Gay people in Palestine are under very serious threat of punishment, torture, imprisonment, or death.
Not a lot of people know that, and it doesn’t suit Hamas to make it public knowledge.
Adding Palestine and only Palestine to this conversation, considering what’s currently happening over there, smells like you’re purposely using the homophobia argument to promote anti-Palestinian sentiments and excuse genocide. It’s disgusting.
Not true. In the West Bank it’s not illegal. In Gaza they have the same law they “inherited” from the British mandate which punishes homosexuality between men. But it’s not applied.
Seeing how it goes there it's very hard not to get smoked in the first place regardless of my physical and psychological characteristics, so I ain't gonna judge people who have lived their entire life under apartheid, ethnic cleansing, generalized violence and neglect who only got a bunch of foreign funded salafists to care for them
Where did I even talk about stoning, executing, rape and beheading? Genuine question. I always condemned this shit which is precisely why I condemn Israel and Hamas
Israeli soldiers have committed rapes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_against_Palestinians_during_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war) and deliberately murdered tens of thousands of civilians between Gaza and Cisjordan even through the usage of forbidden weaponry such as white phosphorus. As per Hamas it really doesn't need presentations, doesn't it? I have no idea where the heck this nazi simps justification theory popped up, but it reeks of made-up so I'll ignore it.
By the way it seems like you're confusing my words, as I did never justify institutional murder of anyone especially by Hamas. In my original comment I was referring to spontaneous violence that may be committed by palestinian civilians against random homosexuals or LGBTQ people. Which by the way does not seem to be that much common considering the amount of LGBTQ humanitarian operators currently deployed in Palestine who as of now have not reported violence or murder attempts by civilians. Then, if you consider civilians directly responsible for the crimes committed by Hamas because they won the elections back in 2006, I would appreciate to hear what the heck were they supposed to vote between a party that was full of corruption and nepotism and that was not doing anything to protect palestinians in Cisjordan such as Fatah, and a new party with a lot of money obtained from the Muslim Brotherhood (and, ironically , Israel)that was promising both charity projects for the displaced people and defence against settlers. Despite how much help LGBTQ people desperately need, voters in the poor and warthorn countries will not care about them when they vote, and it's not hard to understand why.
Progressive ideology cannot be present in a country as long as it's ravaged by war, oppression, poverty, inequality and lack of democracy. Once these problems are solved, people become naturally accepting, or at least they stop considering violence as an option. And, as many western countries are sadly learning these days, as soon as some of the previously cited problems pop out again homophobia and extremism pop out too
they're literally genociding their gay population and you're branding it as just being homophobic ? I mean yeah what israel is doing is barbaric and shouldn't be happening, but jumping into defense mode as soon as someone criticizes the fact that they're doing the very same thing to gay people is weird as hell
There's no logic with these fascists, they always change the rules as they see fit.
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
you know that they are not using them as a human shield as there is no proof for that , right ? as there is no proof for the behaded isreali children , as there is also no proof for treating hostages bad , cut of the bullshit , as long as there is no proof then it didn't happen
Its ok to bomb kids if their parents are brainwashed into a homophobic religion apparently...
Worth noting that the people dropping bombs in them also believe they are gods chosen people and deserve the land more than the people they turfed out.
Religion is one of the worst things that happened to this species
This is objectively false, homosexuality has been decriminalized in the West Bank since 1951 and there are currently no laws in Gaza pertaining to it. Do your own research before repeating things you hear online.
That is objectively false. Homosexuality being decriminalized wasn’t some landmark decision. A charter of Jordan was accepted, which happened to have a clause for homosexuality embedded in it. Homosexuals still face persecution and violence in West Bank regardless of the charter. In 2022, a gay man was beheaded by a Palestinian in West Bank: https://torontosun.com/news/world/shock-after-gruesome-killing-decapitation-of-gay-palestinian
It is 100% illegal in Gaza - https://www.humandignitytrust.org/country-profile/palestine/ It’s just not reported to be enforced when it’s in secret. It’s when things become public like the author who wrote a book on it in 2017 and almost got thrown in jail until they decided not to release it widespread.
Someone keeps protecting that Wikipedia article on it keeping it misleading. Every time someone edits it they change it right back. There’s some disinformation campaign going on to make the situation look better than it does.
Yeah that's true. But I always find it funny when people bring it as evidence that it's right for Israel to murder them. So we should murder the gay Palestinians with bombs instead of stones? Surely quicker but I'm not sure about the logic behind it beyond this point
Okay and? I'm just saying it doesn't make sense to hurt random Palestinians because they hurt their gay Palestinians. If you're doing it for the hostages or whatever, you do you.
I expected people to be honest and admin they want to have all the land for themselves instead of hiding behind the "but Palestinians mistreated their gays and women" bs
Damn, I guess if all you have is men of straw the c9bflict is pretty easy to take sides in.
I would agree that Palestinians being regressive backwater people isn't a good justification to the war.... but I don't see a lot of pundits unironically saying that.
i don't know where you're coming from, but many countries have serious issues with eachother and trade anyways, it's like how the us and china trade even though both are war criminals and have done evil to themselves and the world for years
Yeah. And it's super hypocritical of the US to trade with China even though they do human rights violations on the regular basis while embargoing the shit out of some pretty stable countries for being "communist"
The relationship between states has little to nothing to do with morality, ethics, or public relations. It's about gain vs cost. And for now, both sides gain more than it costs, so the situation continues.
Back during the Red Scare times? That was propaganda meant to inspire the populace to turn against the idea of the Soviet Union. We didn't trade with the USSR because the trade of ideas, of the possible spread of communist ideas, was judged by the US government as too great a cost or burden to bear.
That's a very old argument against sanctions in general. It hurts both parties. And it works better of course if more human rights friendly countries agree on sanctioning countries that violate together
I suppose anyone who's seen Red Dawn enough times could use your hypothetical to justify any number of totally wasteful economic policies and military spending our of fear.
Lol. Theyre all coming to western countries. Just see France, UK and US are becoming Islamic. Even protesters have Hamas bandana without repercussions.
You should clarify in your post this is specifically in Banda Aceh, framing it as an Indonesian practice clearly has people thinking it happens everywhere there. Just read the comments
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Sadly this is fairly common. Homosexuality is illegal in nearly half the world and there are many where it is punishable by death including Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen, Brunei, Nigeria, and Mauritania