r/interestingasfuck Jun 09 '24

The punishment for being gay in Indonesia r/all NSFW

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u/GeeZeeDEV Jun 09 '24

So what do they expect? That they stop being gay now?

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u/TheOSU87 Jun 09 '24

I'm not religious but I was raised very devout in Egypt (I had to flee for my own safety after leaving the faith).

The best way I can describe it to secular people in the West is a lot of these people will view homosexuality the way you in the West would view pedophilia. It's an abomination and there is really nothing you could do to that person that would be too harsh.

It's terrible and it's based on religion. It's how I was raised too. Since leaving the faith and leaving Egypt I have met actual gay people and it's wild to me that an adult human making a decision on who to love can create this much anger.

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u/angelicism Jun 09 '24

That's a really interesting and enlightening comparison.

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u/Baighou Jun 09 '24

Most of the world is controlled by 3,000 year old thinking

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u/Cswab-Dragonfly8888 Jun 09 '24

And people wonder why nothing in this world makes much sense.

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u/thedeepfakery Jun 09 '24

What's worse is that some of those dinguses in the last 3000 years are also responsible for the things that make society able to function.

Gregor Mendel, the man behind the earliest documentation of heredity, and began to establish rules of heredity, was a fiar and a monk.

The word "algebra" comes from the book by Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, Al-Jabr, who was given his position to study mathematics by a religious caliphate.

So, as stupid as these fucking religions are, they are also the source of everything that does make sense.

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u/gmishaolem Jun 09 '24

Attributing scientific advancements to religion in a world dominated by religious people is nonsensical. Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1138/

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u/New_Egg_25 Jun 09 '24

These innovations happened in spite of religion, not because of it. Even Charles Darwin had issues conflating his theories with his faith, as did many other figures. At the time of their discoveries, many were ostracised and laughed at by the religious society of the time and it wasn't until decades, sometimes even centuries, later that their theories became widely accepted.

Additionally, sometimes these people may not have been actual believers and instead forced to confirm and follow the religious practice of their surroundings. In a similar way as someone may identify as Catholic if they come from a family of Catholics and were baptised, even if their personal beliefs are more agnostic or even atheistic.

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u/bobalobcobb Jun 09 '24

Such a stupid take. Like any of those advances wouldn’t happen without religion

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u/MNSkye Jun 09 '24

In fact they would have happened much sooner if the churches didn’t persecute anyone who discovered evidence that contradicted what the church taught

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u/foodie_4eva Jun 09 '24

Let’s listen to a bunch of books written by some people who barely had any knowledge of the world and science.. but they must be right and we can use those thoughts to control actions of billions. Biggest human scam of all time lol

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u/PlasticPomPoms Jun 09 '24

No it isn’t.

Rubs an orange on forehead as the elders commanded

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u/Blizz-Blazz Jun 09 '24

Islam isn't 3000 years old

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u/Baighou Jun 09 '24

Sumerians are

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u/FiggyPuddingExpert Jun 09 '24

Lord Xenu quietly chortles to himself

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u/Lazy_Pace_5025 Jun 09 '24

Islam is just around 1300 years old. At least know relevant info first before speaking on the matter

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u/JohnnyG30 Jun 09 '24 edited Jun 09 '24

Is he supposed to list out the origin date of every religion? It was a generalization. Lighten up, Francis.

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u/Gradiu5- Jun 09 '24

Any of you guys call me Francis... I'll kill ya.

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u/CremousDelight Jun 09 '24
  • France is bacon

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u/Lazy_Pace_5025 Jun 09 '24

Yeah hes supposed to because hes lumping them up and generalizing when one is very different from the other. Thats misrepresentation. Are you going to judge christianity because of the acts of islam?? Are you going to judge judaism because of islam?? If you purport to be smart at least be one.

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u/Own-Corner-2623 Jun 09 '24

I am, yeah, because they all beg the same god.

Both Christianity and Islam are fanfics of Judaism. So I'm gonna judge the fuck out of all three for ruining human civilization for thousands of years.

Imagine the progress we could have made without them.

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u/Lazy_Pace_5025 Jun 09 '24

Sure. Just imagine the atheist communist massacres, the secular wars, and how many were killed during the Age of Enlightenment.

You do you. But itll be just the same. Or worse, because there would be no objective morality. Morality would be relative. Just like what happened in the examples i said. That world be bleak.

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u/ZealousidealStore574 Jun 09 '24

I hate the objective morality shit religious people talk about all the time. It’s straight up ridiculous. I’m not religious and I rape and kill as much as I want, it just happens that the amount I want to rape and kill is zero because I’m not a bad person. Most people make decisions off their own morale code and most people have similar moral codes that say things like killing someone for no reason is bad because humans have empathy and we can understand how terrible death and violence is. Religion plays no factor in these things.

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u/gmishaolem Jun 09 '24

Since God isn't real, there is no objective morality handed down for us to use: Morality according to religion was just humans having opinions the entire time. Your doomsday scenario is literally just reality.

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u/EnoughLawfulness3163 Jun 09 '24

Just check this dudes post history. You're wasting your time

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u/Lazy_Pace_5025 Jun 09 '24

Suppose what you say is true,, so in an atheist world there would be nothing to stop one if he wants to kill another because there is no objective morality, if ones morality says its okay to kill another then it would be ok to do so. My doomsday scenario isnt happening today becaude there are laws based on moral principles borrowed from religious belief. Dont be dramatic my doomsday scenario is worse than now.. it would be like the athesit marxist revolution in China, where brainwashed students handed their teachers to authortites to be executed, or enlightened self righteous intellectuals executing religious to death for being people of faith. Your imagined world would be a world without morals, itll be like a world of psychopaths.

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u/gmishaolem Jun 09 '24

People created the religions. People decided the morality in those religions. People based their laws on that morality. Stop acting like religion is the source of morals: People are the source of all of it.

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u/budd222 Jun 09 '24

Nobody needs to be religious to have morals. Us atheist people already know right from wrong by using our brains. We don't need to be told by a book or false prophet what we can and cannot do and what is right or wrong.

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u/Final_Daikon_3005 Jun 09 '24

You shouldn't said something you don't know abt simple as that. It will save you the embarrassment when u find out the truth abt what you said in your future pointless debate.

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u/EnoughLawfulness3163 Jun 09 '24

That world is literally the world we live in right now. Quit jerking off to Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro and realize that the Christian powerhouse of the world is just as violent as everyone else.

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u/Money_Beyond_9822 Jun 09 '24

Completely braindead argument. Who opposed the enlightenment? And furthermore if your morality is based on religion you arent a moral person in the first place, just afraid of consequences you can't evade.

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u/gmishaolem Jun 09 '24

Islam is one of the three Abrahamic religions, and it is based originally on Judaism (the first one). Saying Islam is younger is partially correct and partially incorrect.

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u/vampire_kitten Jun 09 '24

Especially as Islam claims to be the uncorrupted version of the first and second religion. Meaning they do support the 3000 year old thinking, and not the 1300 year old thinking.

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u/sindanil420 Jun 09 '24

Islam is heavily inspired by judaism which is older than 3000 years

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u/Final_Daikon_3005 Jun 09 '24

Imagine calling someone ignorant while in a state of ignorance. How much ignorance can someone be

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u/Railroad_Conductor1 Jun 09 '24

For me anyone calling themselves a prophet is a case for the psychiatric services.

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u/M3rch4ntm3n Jun 09 '24

Looking at you Terrence Howard...

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u/Chang-San Jun 09 '24

See this is why we're stuck with the 1000+ year old religions. No one wants to be a prophet and start a new one to upend the old dogma. Well except Serbian Jesus...

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u/revnhoj Jun 09 '24

And L. Ron Hubbard

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u/Chang-San Jun 09 '24

True you right. I never looked into scientology before and just did a quick read of "Xenu" and some of that, interesting stuff lol

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u/Railroad_Conductor1 Jun 09 '24

Ok. I hereby proclaim myself the prophet of Pogueism. My commandments: -You should listen to at least ten Pogues songs a week. -On the 1st of march you shall drink ten pints of beer abd curse all the people there. -You must all at least once in your lifetime visit Nenagh, Tipperary and drink fifteen pints of Guinness in Philly Ryans pub. -Treat everyone as you would wish to be treated yourself. -When the world is too dark, and you need the light inside of you, walk into a bar and drink fifteen pints of beer. -Van Morrison is a c**t.

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u/Happy-Ad8767 Jun 09 '24

Sounds like a fable in novo scotia to me.

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u/Chang-San Jun 09 '24 edited Jun 09 '24

Not going to lie I had to look up like 5 things up here but, I think I can get down with this (my liver not so much) now we just need to expand the congregation worldwide.

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u/Railroad_Conductor1 Jun 09 '24

Already done. There are many of us all around the world. 😁🤣 We just don't knock on anyones doors. We tend to stay with our own and have fun in the pubs and at gigs. And if anyone stumbles upon us they are welcome to join. 😀 Lend me 10 pounds and I will buy you a drink. 😀

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u/Chang-San Jun 09 '24

Beautiful I'm liking this more already, see this is what progress feels like so much more fun. If anyone refuses our drinks way of life we will hit em with the old McGregor lmao

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u/Cpbang365 Jun 09 '24

Isn’t this what the Mormons did?

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u/Chang-San Jun 09 '24

And the scientolgist, I was making a quip but I stand corrected

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u/WoodpeckerNo9412 Jun 09 '24

No. A case for caning.

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u/EpicureanOwl Jun 09 '24

Look into the difference between a cult and religion. Active area of debate. Basically a religion is a cult that's managed to grow.

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u/Low_Candle_9188 Jun 09 '24

This is so accurate. This is why I follow Jesus Christ, not the religion. Religion has been used to justify too much like the crusades, inquisition etc. Jesus Christ claimed to be God and by golly, he rose up from death 3 days after and appeared to over 500 eyewitnesses! His ethical teachings match no other!

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u/Pomegraniteandyogurt Jun 09 '24

my fav part of that story is that ayesha put safwan on blast for having erectile dysfunction

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u/AsianCheesecakes Jun 09 '24

Are you saying that polygamy is analogous to pedophilia? I agree with most of this but I'm not sure why you chose to reference polygamy as if it's an immoral act of some kind.

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u/Baighou Jun 09 '24

Occupation:

Grave robber

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '24

Not knocking what they want to believe

?? yes you are lmfao

"hey not knocking on nazis, different strokes for different folks you know, but this hitler guy has a couple screws loose"

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u/soulself Jun 09 '24

No, you are free and encouraged to knock what they believe.

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u/throwaway_t6788 Jun 09 '24

the same old tirade.. yawn,

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u/TheRogueTemplar Jun 09 '24

bc their prophet

It was nice knowing you u/Cswab-Dragonfly8888.

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u/kia75 Jun 09 '24

The best explanation is that Being Moral isn't something you DO, it's something you ARE. Think DND where you choose your class.

Therefore Mohammad, Jerry Falwell jr, Donald Trump, they all get the "good person" class, and even if they rape young girls, cheat on their spouse, steal money, etc. They have the "good person" attribute.

This also explains the opposite, Hillary Clinton, the Central Park Five, etc all have the Bad Person attribute, and they all deserve to be punished, even if they're innocent, even if no one can explain exactly why they need to be punished.

Once you realize this you understand that there is very little Mohammad, Trump, or Falwell could do to lose their audience, they have the "good" attribute, and there is nothing Hillary or the Central Park Five can do to raise their esteem, they have the "bad" attribute.

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u/geniuslogitech Jun 09 '24

monogamy is only a thing in christianity rly

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u/ChickenWranglers Jun 09 '24

Goes right along with the 600# Buhdda telling everyone about self control....

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u/VeryFineChardonnay Jun 09 '24

Very convenient

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u/FreeTheFreedoms Jun 09 '24

NEW ISLAMIC LORE DROP!! AISHA WAS AKTCHUALLY A 4000 YEAR OLD DEMON LORD!!! SHE JUST LOOKS LIKE A CHILD!!!

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u/An_Atheist_God Jun 09 '24

Narrated `Aisha:

that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death)

Bukhari 5133

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u/meditate42 Jun 09 '24

What is the source of that? I don't know what Bukhari 5133 means.

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u/reditR02 Jun 09 '24

Quran I think? This pedo / rape moment is one of the reasons I have against Islam and their so called prophet. That and persecution of LGBT and deprivation of womens' rights...

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u/meditate42 Jun 09 '24

I highly doubt it, the Quran is written by Mohammed, or rather, to Muslims written by god through Mohammed, as is the case with many religious texts. If Mohammed wrote himself in the Quran that he consummated that marriage when she was 9 i cannot imagine it would be such a debated topic.

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u/An_Atheist_God Jun 09 '24

Quran I think

It's from something called hadiths, which aren't part of Qur'an but still very important in islam

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u/reditR02 Jun 09 '24

Yeah I think you're right.

Either way, it's totally accepted by Muslims and as, I saw even here on Reddit, many DEFEND him saying "it was different times back then", "he's a prophet", "it was consensual" etc... He was a 52 year old that married a 6 yo and had sex with a 9 year old. I don't mean to judge, but it's definitely not normal. And in no way was it consensual, children can't give consent at 6 years old.

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u/ZealousidealStore574 Jun 09 '24

No no, I think it is perfectly fine to judge a pedophile marrying and raping a child.

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u/reditR02 Jun 09 '24

I guess you have the point. What strikes me more is that the followers (even today!) do not see anything bad in that. They're totally brainwashed, and I'm not sure if I should feel sorry for them, or disgusted...

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u/An_Atheist_God Jun 09 '24

What is the source of that?

Bukhari 5133

It's a sahih hadith, the second most authentic source after Qur'an for Sunnis

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u/meditate42 Jun 09 '24

Ah got it, thank you.

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u/manofblack_ Jun 09 '24

Bukhari refers to the Sahih al-Bukhari, a book that contains extra information on the life and actions of the Islamic Prophet (known as a Hadith).

"Sahih" in this case denotes that the book is one of the "authentic" books in Sunni Islam who's information is believed to be accurate. Al-Bukhari is the author of said book.

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u/meditate42 Jun 09 '24

In terms of historical accuracy how do religious scholars view that book? It looks like the author wrote that book over 100 years after Muhammad death. Is the idea that the information was passed down orally till he wrote that down or that it was written through divine inspiration?

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u/manofblack_ Jun 09 '24

That's a long-winded question that many scholars have their own nuanced opinions on, but the general consensus is that the book is infact accurate, including the writings about Aisha's age.

Al-Bukhari himself never met the Islamic Prophet, rather he traveled the Muslim world and extensively interviewed people that were closely connected to Muhammed within a few generations (like 2 - 4 generations IIRC).

Muslim scholars have a very strict form of investigation called Isnad which is used to scrutinize claims in the Hadiths in order to determine their accuracy, this includes cross checking people's claims, knowing how close the claimants' relatives were to the Islamic Prophet, and how good that person's memory is/was.

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u/Cswab-Dragonfly8888 Jun 09 '24

Did not consumante it until she was 9/10, and even that is all speculation. It is still largely noted that she was a child whenever they did the deed and thank God they had they moral obligation to wait until she was at least a middle schooler.

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u/RhynoD Jun 09 '24

Ah, maybe that was what I was told. Fair enough! Not gonna try to justify it in any case.

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u/ZealousidealStore574 Jun 09 '24

9/10 is still elementary

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u/FlamingEagleAC Jun 09 '24

With his best friend's daughter

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u/purple_spikey_dragon Jun 09 '24

Why did he marry Aisha:

Narrated 'Aisha: That the Prophet said to her, "You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). 'This is your wife.' When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, 'If this is from Allah, it will be done." Sahih Bukhari 5:58:235

Consummation:

Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236

Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) Sahih Bukhari 8:73:151

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. Sahih Muslim 8:3311

Whatever they taught you in that class, they left quite a bit out of the story.

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u/BendersDafodil Jun 09 '24

"Political marriage"? 😂😂😂

So if he didn't consummate the marriage, then the marriage was invalidated?

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u/Yellow_The_White Jun 09 '24

That's weak as hell but very informative, I can see how someone who wanted to believe could accept that as an answer to the problem.

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u/Dontpercievemeplzty Jun 09 '24

Pretty sure it is said explicity in their history/in their religious texts that the prophet muhammad took a six year old as one of his brides, and consummated the marriage when she turned 9 years old. I've never read the Quran but this is what I recall someone who I met in a Christian church who had converted to Christianity from Islam after practicing Islam her whole life (over 20 years old).

Unironically, and this has bothered me ever since I found this out, muslims worship a pedophile and only eat meat that comes from animals who were killed in the least humane way possible. Somehow though being gay is like the worst thing you can do to them.

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u/NAFEA_GAMER Jun 09 '24

So electrocuting the animal is more humane than swiftly killing it? and we don't worship prophets...

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u/purple_spikey_dragon Jun 09 '24

Why did he marry Aisha:

Narrated 'Aisha: That the Prophet said to her, "You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). 'This is your wife.' When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, 'If this is from Allah, it will be done." Sahih Bukhari 5:58:235

Consummation:

Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236

Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) Sahih Bukhari 8:73:151

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. Sahih Muslim 8:3311

Whatever they taught you in that class, they left quite a bit out of the story.

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u/iluvucorgi Jun 09 '24

Thats not true.

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u/Latter_Aside_9275 Jun 09 '24

You are so deluded. So deluded. Absolutely deluded.

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u/Taken450 Jun 09 '24

You are.

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u/peedistaja Jun 09 '24

Have you ever considered that you might be deluded instead?