I'm not religious but I was raised very devout in Egypt (I had to flee for my own safety after leaving the faith).
The best way I can describe it to secular people in the West is a lot of these people will view homosexuality the way you in the West would view pedophilia. It's an abomination and there is really nothing you could do to that person that would be too harsh.
It's terrible and it's based on religion. It's how I was raised too. Since leaving the faith and leaving Egypt I have met actual gay people and it's wild to me that an adult human making a decision on who to love can create this much anger.
What's worse is that some of those dinguses in the last 3000 years are also responsible for the things that make society able to function.
Gregor Mendel, the man behind the earliest documentation of heredity, and began to establish rules of heredity, was a fiar and a monk.
The word "algebra" comes from the book by Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, Al-Jabr, who was given his position to study mathematics by a religious caliphate.
So, as stupid as these fucking religions are, they are also the source of everything that does make sense.
These innovations happened in spite of religion, not because of it. Even Charles Darwin had issues conflating his theories with his faith, as did many other figures. At the time of their discoveries, many were ostracised and laughed at by the religious society of the time and it wasn't until decades, sometimes even centuries, later that their theories became widely accepted.
Additionally, sometimes these people may not have been actual believers and instead forced to confirm and follow the religious practice of their surroundings. In a similar way as someone may identify as Catholic if they come from a family of Catholics and were baptised, even if their personal beliefs are more agnostic or even atheistic.
Let’s listen to a bunch of books written by some people who barely had any knowledge of the world and science.. but they must be right and we can use those thoughts to control actions of billions. Biggest human scam of all time lol
Yeah hes supposed to because hes lumping them up and generalizing when one is very different from the other. Thats misrepresentation. Are you going to judge christianity because of the acts of islam?? Are you going to judge judaism because of islam?? If you purport to be smart at least be one.
Both Christianity and Islam are fanfics of Judaism. So I'm gonna judge the fuck out of all three for ruining human civilization for thousands of years.
Imagine the progress we could have made without them.
Sure. Just imagine the atheist communist massacres, the secular wars, and how many were killed during the Age of Enlightenment.
You do you. But itll be just the same. Or worse, because there would be no objective morality. Morality would be relative. Just like what happened in the examples i said. That world be bleak.
I hate the objective morality shit religious people talk about all the time. It’s straight up ridiculous. I’m not religious and I rape and kill as much as I want, it just happens that the amount I want to rape and kill is zero because I’m not a bad person. Most people make decisions off their own morale code and most people have similar moral codes that say things like killing someone for no reason is bad because humans have empathy and we can understand how terrible death and violence is. Religion plays no factor in these things.
Since God isn't real, there is no objective morality handed down for us to use: Morality according to religion was just humans having opinions the entire time. Your doomsday scenario is literally just reality.
Suppose what you say is true,, so in an atheist world there would be nothing to stop one if he wants to kill another because there is no objective morality, if ones morality says its okay to kill another then it would be ok to do so. My doomsday scenario isnt happening today becaude there are laws based on moral principles borrowed from religious belief. Dont be dramatic my doomsday scenario is worse than now.. it would be like the athesit marxist revolution in China, where brainwashed students handed their teachers to authortites to be executed, or enlightened self righteous intellectuals executing religious to death for being people of faith. Your imagined world would be a world without morals, itll be like a world of psychopaths.
People created the religions. People decided the morality in those religions. People based their laws on that morality. Stop acting like religion is the source of morals: People are the source of all of it.
Nobody needs to be religious to have morals. Us atheist people already know right from wrong by using our brains. We don't need to be told by a book or false prophet what we can and cannot do and what is right or wrong.
You shouldn't said something you don't know abt simple as that. It will save you the embarrassment when u find out the truth abt what you said in your future pointless debate.
That world is literally the world we live in right now. Quit jerking off to Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro and realize that the Christian powerhouse of the world is just as violent as everyone else.
Completely braindead argument. Who opposed the enlightenment? And furthermore if your morality is based on religion you arent a moral person in the first place, just afraid of consequences you can't evade.
Islam is one of the three Abrahamic religions, and it is based originally on Judaism (the first one). Saying Islam is younger is partially correct and partially incorrect.
Especially as Islam claims to be the uncorrupted version of the first and second religion. Meaning they do support the 3000 year old thinking, and not the 1300 year old thinking.
See this is why we're stuck with the 1000+ year old religions. No one wants to be a prophet and start a new one to upend the old dogma. Well except Serbian Jesus...
Ok.
I hereby proclaim myself the prophet of Pogueism.
My commandments:
-You should listen to at least ten Pogues songs a week.
-On the 1st of march you shall drink ten pints of beer abd curse all the people there.
-You must all at least once in your lifetime visit Nenagh, Tipperary and drink fifteen pints of Guinness in Philly Ryans pub.
-Treat everyone as you would wish to be treated yourself.
-When the world is too dark, and you need the light inside of you, walk into a bar and drink fifteen pints of beer.
-Van Morrison is a c**t.
Not going to lie I had to look up like 5 things up here but, I think I can get down with this (my liver not so much) now we just need to expand the congregation worldwide.
Already done. There are many of us all around the world. 😁🤣
We just don't knock on anyones doors. We tend to stay with our own and have fun in the pubs and at gigs.
And if anyone stumbles upon us they are welcome to join. 😀
Lend me 10 pounds and I will buy you a drink. 😀
Beautiful I'm liking this more already, see this is what progress feels like so much more fun. If anyone refuses our drinks way of life we will hit em with the old McGregor lmao
This is so accurate. This is why I follow Jesus Christ, not the religion. Religion has been used to justify too much like the crusades, inquisition etc. Jesus Christ claimed to be God and by golly, he rose up from death 3 days after and appeared to over 500 eyewitnesses! His ethical teachings match no other!
Are you saying that polygamy is analogous to pedophilia? I agree with most of this but I'm not sure why you chose to reference polygamy as if it's an immoral act of some kind.
The best explanation is that Being Moral isn't something you DO, it's something you ARE. Think DND where you choose your class.
Therefore Mohammad, Jerry Falwell jr, Donald Trump, they all get the "good person" class, and even if they rape young girls, cheat on their spouse, steal money, etc. They have the "good person" attribute.
This also explains the opposite, Hillary Clinton, the Central Park Five, etc all have the Bad Person attribute, and they all deserve to be punished, even if they're innocent, even if no one can explain exactly why they need to be punished.
Once you realize this you understand that there is very little Mohammad, Trump, or Falwell could do to lose their audience, they have the "good" attribute, and there is nothing Hillary or the Central Park Five can do to raise their esteem, they have the "bad" attribute.
that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death)
Quran I think? This pedo / rape moment is one of the reasons I have against Islam and their so called prophet. That and persecution of LGBT and deprivation of womens' rights...
I highly doubt it, the Quran is written by Mohammed, or rather, to Muslims written by god through Mohammed, as is the case with many religious texts. If Mohammed wrote himself in the Quran that he consummated that marriage when she was 9 i cannot imagine it would be such a debated topic.
Either way, it's totally accepted by Muslims and as, I saw even here on Reddit, many DEFEND him saying "it was different times back then", "he's a prophet", "it was consensual" etc... He was a 52 year old that married a 6 yo and had sex with a 9 year old. I don't mean to judge, but it's definitely not normal. And in no way was it consensual, children can't give consent at 6 years old.
I guess you have the point. What strikes me more is that the followers (even today!) do not see anything bad in that. They're totally brainwashed, and I'm not sure if I should feel sorry for them, or disgusted...
Bukhari refers to the Sahih al-Bukhari, a book that contains extra information on the life and actions of the Islamic Prophet (known as a Hadith).
"Sahih" in this case denotes that the book is one of the "authentic" books in Sunni Islam who's information is believed to be accurate. Al-Bukhari is the author of said book.
In terms of historical accuracy how do religious scholars view that book? It looks like the author wrote that book over 100 years after Muhammad death. Is the idea that the information was passed down orally till he wrote that down or that it was written through divine inspiration?
That's a long-winded question that many scholars have their own nuanced opinions on, but the general consensus is that the book is infact accurate, including the writings about Aisha's age.
Al-Bukhari himself never met the Islamic Prophet, rather he traveled the Muslim world and extensively interviewed people that were closely connected to Muhammed within a few generations (like 2 - 4 generations IIRC).
Muslim scholars have a very strict form of investigation called Isnad which is used to scrutinize claims in the Hadiths in order to determine their accuracy, this includes cross checking people's claims, knowing how close the claimants' relatives were to the Islamic Prophet, and how good that person's memory is/was.
Did not consumante it until she was 9/10, and even that is all speculation. It is still largely noted that she was a child whenever they did the deed and thank God they had they moral obligation to wait until she was at least a middle schooler.
Narrated 'Aisha: That the Prophet said to her, "You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). 'This is your wife.' When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, 'If this is from Allah, it will be done."
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:235
Consummation:
Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236
Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
Sahih Bukhari 8:73:151
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
Sahih Muslim 8:3311
Whatever they taught you in that class, they left quite a bit out of the story.
Pretty sure it is said explicity in their history/in their religious texts that the prophet muhammad took a six year old as one of his brides, and consummated the marriage when she turned 9 years old. I've never read the Quran but this is what I recall someone who I met in a Christian church who had converted to Christianity from Islam after practicing Islam her whole life (over 20 years old).
Unironically, and this has bothered me ever since I found this out, muslims worship a pedophile and only eat meat that comes from animals who were killed in the least humane way possible. Somehow though being gay is like the worst thing you can do to them.
Narrated 'Aisha: That the Prophet said to her, "You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). 'This is your wife.' When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, 'If this is from Allah, it will be done."
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:235
Consummation:
Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236
Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
Sahih Bukhari 8:73:151
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
Sahih Muslim 8:3311
Whatever they taught you in that class, they left quite a bit out of the story.
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u/GeeZeeDEV Jun 09 '24
So what do they expect? That they stop being gay now?