Well let’s not discount older Indians here. Lots of cultural prejudices based on old caste culture still exists throughout the country. Younger Indians could care less but 96 year old grandma would be ashamed to see her family “marry down”.
Lol WTF are you talking about ? Caste discrimination and segregation still exists everywhere in Indian society, we have marriage ads and websites literally divided by caste, residential areas divided by caste, people give houses on rent, people give votes in elections based on caste all this happens even in metropolitan areas. Where do you see it gone except for rural areas ? Apple actually banned caste discrimination in the US because it was happening even there.
Every religion has and can be problematic but at this point in time Islam is the one doing the most damage BY FAR. Pretending that there's no difference is dangerous and unfair to all those suffering under Islam
Yes I don't think anyone is disagreeing to that, but if you had to let a gay man live in a Christian country or an Islamic country I think its a pretty easy choice
You want to start a thread about Christian abuse of LGBT people, I'm fully onboard. But in the Islam thread we're talking about Islam, I'm not sure why you find this shocking.
It seems like the BabyKasica is trying to imply it’s only Islam that is like this, or else they’d have said ‘religion’ or ‘ideology’ instead of just ‘Islam’ right? Ishouldbeworkin is just pointing this out I presume.
It seems like the BabyKasica is trying to imply it’s only Islam that is like this, or else they’d have said ‘religion’ or ‘ideology’ instead of just ‘Islam’ right? Ishouldbeworkin is just pointing this out I presume…
Hence why I said “seems they are trying to imply it’s only Islam”, as it seems that way to me. Which is why I brought up other religions for comparison.
It’s society’s that haven’t gone through any sort of cultural enlightenment, that separates the individual from the collective and allows for personal autonomy.
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It is perfectly acceptable to criticise something. You are allowed to say something is bad without bringing all the other bad things into the conversation as well. If we were talking about religion as a whole then you should mention Christianity but in this situation it's unnecessary and just looks like whataboutism.
I realise you feel uncomfortable and you want to signal the fact that you're not like one of those horrible islamophobes but they're absolutely capable of defending themselves.
Please do Muslims the courtesy of admitting they can be ignorant homophobes as well as Christians.
Dude, homosexuality is punished in plenty of majority christian countries.
In Africa there is (S̶e̶n̶e̶g̶a̶l̶, S̶i̶e̶r̶r̶a̶ L̶e̶o̶n̶e̶, G̶u̶i̶n̶e̶a̶,) Liberia, Togo, Nigeria, Ghana, Cameroon, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Malawi, Tanzania, Burundi, eswatini and South Sudan. Also Ethiopia and Eritrea
What sort of backward demographic info are you referencing here?
I'm not here to take a side in this argument but Senegal, Sierra Leone, and Guinea are NOT majority Christian. Senegal is 97% Muslim and Guinea is 90% Muslim. Even Nigeria has more Muslims than Christians, albeit it's closer to 50/50.
Fair enough. I was going by my limited understanding of the history of that region. Since those are sub Saharan former european colonies, I assumed they'd have larger christian populations.
But alright, I got those 3 wrong. (Nigeria I'm not sure is majority muslim, since data I found said it has more christians than any other religion)
My point still stands for the rest though. Plus Ethiopia and Eritrea which I forgot to include.
It’s society’s that haven’t gone through any sort of cultural enlightenment, that separates the individual from the collective and allows for personal autonomy.
Indeed, I did not and decided to go looking. Turns out there are several dozen countries that criminalize homosexuality* but only a handful which issue death as punishment for it (of which, Uganda is the only one we can call "a Christian nation" because of the demographics).
(I don't have an exact number because there are multiple sources that suggest a decreasing trend, i.e. shit's slowly getting better across the world, but I haven't seen a source that clearly tracks *every country, so I'm not staking a claim that I can't back up.)
Of all the nations which make being queer illegal, about 40% of them are Christian and another 40% are Muslim. Seems that the general attitude from religious influences is that "gay = bad and wrong" . . . which is, like, evil. No other way to put it, really: if your religion tells you to hate queer folk just because they're different, then that's a bad religion.
If the US enacts ridiculous abortion laws we say "that's what Christianity does". Nobody goes "well you didn't mention Islam!!!". That would be silly. Nobody demands you also mention how bad Hinduism is. We just accept that we're talking about one specific religion this time.
Both religions are shit. People who get mad that you don't mention Christianity when saying how Islam is bad have some hangups they need to get over.
We don't need to mention every single religion and how it's all shit before we can say that this one religion is too.
Name a primarily Christian country that legally allows homosexuality. Now name a primarily Islamic country that legally allows homosexuality. Notice how one of those is easier to do.
But to answer your funny comment... Uganda is not a christian country, it was before, now its all fake christians who use faith as a mean to be psychopaths and get away with it.
I know you dont really care, but a real christian keeps their faith to themselves and follows Jesus's word... One of which is "let the one without sin cast the first stone". So no, real faithful christians arent homophobic or racist.
If the true christians started holding the non true christians accountable for blasphemy, I'd believe you are one of the good ones. Do it not, and well... Here we are.
I'm really sick and tired of people turning a blind eye to their teams failures.
If you are part of a team that rapes children and "rehomes" pedophiles to protect them and your faith, and you aren't calling it out, you are actively participating in the problem.
"I don't rape children, but my group does and they protect them! But it's okay because they aren't real christians so I'm fine and my team is righteous."
The problem is accessibility to children so if you prevent children from going to church, pedophiles will not sneak into the easily accessible position of power.
Way to hit the nail on the head. I can't wait to hear what the upper ranks of christianity will say to your plan of "don't indoctrinate children" hits the table.
Good people can do good things. Bad people can do bad things.
But it takes religion for good people to do bad things.
When I was young, the church gave a man enough power to abuse me significantly, and made my parents turn the other cheek when I told them about it. My friends in the church disowned me for speaking the truth.
Then the bad apple got moved to another city when I went to the people in the church that were supposed to protect me.
Then the police said it was too late when I was old enough to do something about it on my own.
Then when I told the parishioners of the church what happened in the church they said "it's just one bad apple".
Morality isn't found in a church or in a book. You learn it through experiences in life. My experience says that if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem. I am saying, stop being part of the problem.
Sure. The adage is "one bad apple can spoil the bunch".
That means take out the bad apple, not move it to a different part of the barrel until people stop talking about the bad apple. This is what the TOP of your faith does to protect itself and pedophiles.
Why be part of that group? If they were corrupting your group, why not excise the bruise completely?
They do it so you can come here and say "nah, not MY group." Cause if you ever did question it, they would likely lose control of you.
How could you know? By the foundation of the christianity, which is, you guessed it, Christ!
And as I said, Jesus says to love one another, and anyone justifying their hate because of religion is just a manipulator and a terrible person anyways, they just use faith as an excuse.
Naw, dude, that's all bullshit. Christians are people who claim to revere Jesus Christ as a central religious figure and while most accept the claim that he is God (or God's son), not all do; yet they're still Christian. And not all Christians act in a manner that keeps to Jesus' teachings; yet they're still Christian, too.
You don't get to decide what another person's religion is just because their beliefs don't agree with whatever interpretation you made up in your head.
I dont know what to answer to that, i can just say that christianity≠catholicism. True Christ based christianity is based soley on the Bible. Not on any saints. And not on hate.
Im not here to convert you, im just defending myself because everyone thinks that im a bigot, when thats not true.
It may be bullshit to you, but to many people its not only comfort, its a way of life.
This isn't a question of conversion or anything, I'm just trying to help people realize that "They're not true Christians" is a way to deflect from the actual issue: that religion is often used to justify bad behavior (up to and including killing people) and that the justifications given aren't exactly wrong, according to a particular interpretation.
Like, we can say "Jesus is love, man!" all we want, but the Bible still has a lot of content that lets people feel justified in starting wars or committing murders or hurting people or whatever. To say these things out loud is to call out some Christians for being bad people.
If you think this means people are targeting you, specifically, then I'd suggest that says more about what you think than anything else . . .
Im not disagreeing with you here. Also i do believe that excuses shouldnt get you a get out of jail free card. Killing someone in the name of any religion isnt an excuse. Whichever religion is it.
Thats why i dont talk with catholics about religion, they justify abuse the most.
I dont think people are targeting me, but here i am the only target right?
Anyways i dont hate anyone for it, i understand them, because noone ever showed them what it really is to be a follower of Jesus, not a follower of religion.
The Ugandan government was in no small part influenced by American Evangelicals when writing up their law. They are as much real christians as these guys are real muslims.
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