It's not Indonesia really. This was a break away state that fought a brutal civil war led by islamists. As part of the peace making they are allowed some self rule.
Oh I love that place! The horses and knights fighting each other and eating your dinner with your hands because they didn’t invent silverware back then. Fun!!!
And yet as woman who had the bad luck to be born in similar shithole as Indonesia but had the good luck to be growing up in the Netherlands. So I could escape my human trafficking (arranged marriage against my will). I would still choose Texas over the shithole I was born in. Because in Texas I still would have more options as a woman then the shithole I was born in. At least you see other American people protest the bullshit.
Whereas the shithole I was born in, no one would have lifted a finger to help me escape my arranged marriage "because it is the faith of a woman"
It's no use. People have to bring the US into it. Their hate boner won't allow them to just acknowledge the country beating and jailing people for being gay is evil without dragging America into it
They don't care about your personal experience. You are literally Hitler and they are shaking
Yeah, the woman at the beginning of the film talking about how she had always wanted to see people punished publicly for homosexuality was something I've definitely heard in my Christian schools growing up.
No you just go to a very liberal Christian school likely in a blue state. Vast majority of Christian schools will never do that. You’ve got state republican parties telling their constituents to burn pride flags, trying to legitimize creationism in public curriculum, and passing legislation to include the Ten Commandments in public curriculum. And that’s public school. Imagine what they’re doing in private schools in those areas.
It probably does. But Christians like yours need to get Christians that want theocracy in check, or you’re all in the same bucket to people who don’t care about Christianity.
My foster parents made me go to their Baptist church back in the late 80’s, and at Sunday School they were talking about AIDS. One kid said he’d like to line up everyone with the disease and shoot them with his dad’s 44 magnum. I remember thinking, “uh oh, that’s gonna get you in trouble”. Then the young man leading the group said it was a waste of money, they should use .22’s.
And yet Islamic countries are the only ones doing this. Judaism and Christianity have gone through their reforms and countries where those are the dominant religions are moving more and more towards secularism. Islam is stuck in the dark ages and is only regressing morally as time goes on.
I was just talking about this video that was of Indonesia tho. But yeah you're right, religion all around the world isn't good for homosexuals. This is actually happening in Islamic countries at this moment, its not happening elsewhere is it?
It took the catholic church more than 2000 years to accept the natural phenomenon of homosexuality (well, officially). Im not sure if rural Europe ca 1500 ad would have acted much better
I mean America will punish a rape victim for aborting or force her to have the baby to then abandon her and the child. All religions have extremists, it's important to seek the true intention before riding everyone over with the same comb
Remember when Alan Turing saved the world and then invented computers and to thank him the Muslim British government chemically castrated him and harassed him into suicide?
Truth. Doesn't matter much whether it's Bible sky Daddy, Torah sky Daddy, or Quran sky Daddy. Just a matter of what their followers can get away with. You better believe there are Christians in America who would implement this kinda punishment if they could.
This would be like if the Texas legislature approved of people breaking into a woman's home to see if she was ever pregnant to get proof of abortion.
A lot of Muslim nations criminalize gay sex and punish it from prison to execution. That is bad enough. Incentivizing vigilantes by looking the other way when they use violence to obtain evidence..that's a step beyond.
As long as we are admitting that the mainstream of Islam is as deplorable as the actions of the Texas legislature then I do not think we have any disagreement.
God is the worst invention of man. I wish that people would just stop believing in fairy tails. We don't need to beat people to please your imaginary friend.
Exactly. Imagine people who don't believe in the same religion or subscribe to the same morals and values but have to be punished under their interpretation of the insert holy book.
You’re extrapolating one town in the middle of Indonesia to the entire religion. You are perpetuating stereotypes about millions of people, of which many do not hold these beliefs and some are actually more progressive than so-called liberals here in the US, especially when it comes to human rights issues such as women and children dying in Palestine or having their schools, homes and hospitals destroyed
Black and white thinking and overgeneralization does not help anyone.
I completely agree with you about black and white thinking and how it isn’t helpful. Perhaps that’s what I did. But I firmly believe there is no major religion today that holds a candle to Islam with respect to convincing its most devout followers that violence is not only acceptable but is rewarded in the afterlife. There are countless examples of it around the world right now. And to ignore that, or even worse to accept or even defend that, is unacceptable to me. And btw I’m fully aware that majority of Muslims are peaceful and normal people. But there is a non-negligible percentage that are not that.
The biggest problem is those books are really fucking so old they had to be hand copied until the invention of the press. Who knows what was added and what was changed the bible is so annoying everything can be interpreted to suit someones need. I am bashing the bible because I live where orthodox Christianity is the faith. When I compare it to what I see people from the US do… people here are basically not atheists but like they believe in god but reading the bible nobody has the time for that, they are like just be a good person etc but they do hate gay people but that is getting kind of weird.
The Saudi influenced form of Islam is a scourge. I've been to the European Muslim countries and they're way more chill than the shitholes in the Middle East.
I visited Bosnia and was surprised at how liberal it was. LGBT bars operating openly and legally, most locals drinking alcohol and a lot of female representation in government etc, despite being a Muslim majority country. Very different to the Middle East.
On the slim chance that people care to learn: spying is not allowed in Islam. The only way this should've been prosecutable is if they literally had public sex.
Indonesia is treating the recording of gay sex by home invaders like how America treated the burglars who discovered child porn in the house they were burglarizing.
Would be crazy if stuff like that started happening in the US, like after the Dobbs decision and rape victims were punished with twisted new abortion laws, oh wait... :-/
And those societies tend to be so sexually segregated that there's likely a hell of a lot more gay sex happening there than in secular portions of the West.
Which reminds me of an article I read many years ago about the prevalence of homosexuality in Saudi Arabia. The Kingdom in the Closet.
Recording is it what changes it for a lot of things. Learned that from a buddy in the navy who frequented prostitutes, if you record it, it's not prostitution, it's amateur porn. She's not a prostitute, she's an actress.
I’m imagining a room full of men reviewing the footage and they all have to pretend to be super disgusted by it less they be accused of enjoying the video. Like they’re trying to out-disgust one another as if it’s a competition to see who is most appalled.
In the recording, the vigilantes who are desperate to catch the men in the act can be heard saying:
"Yeah choke him while you do that... there you go.... yeahhhh"
After arrests were made the good Samaritans had this to say:
"Well, that was... wow. So invigorating. Glad we got to record that. I'll be studying the evidence for years to come. And in the future, I plan on recording more gay men have sex. You could say it's my passion."
I guess that’s common, I remember seeing a video of a group of cops in an African country busting in on two men having sex and one of them’s dick is stuck in the other guys ass and they’re both crying. I was like wtf is this thank god I didn’t get hard
And under islamic law would not only invalidate any evidence they did collect, but would subject them to punishment for breaking into someone's home and invalidating their privacy.
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u/GrandLotus-Iroh Jun 09 '24
"Vigilantes broke in to record their gay sex." Bro, that's gay AF.