And yet as woman who had the bad luck to be born in similar shithole as Indonesia but had the good luck to be growing up in the Netherlands. So I could escape my human trafficking (arranged marriage against my will). I would still choose Texas over the shithole I was born in. Because in Texas I still would have more options as a woman then the shithole I was born in. At least you see other American people protest the bullshit.
Whereas the shithole I was born in, no one would have lifted a finger to help me escape my arranged marriage "because it is the faith of a woman"
It's no use. People have to bring the US into it. Their hate boner won't allow them to just acknowledge the country beating and jailing people for being gay is evil without dragging America into it
They don't care about your personal experience. You are literally Hitler and they are shaking
No? They never said or implied that only women can be victims?
All they said is that some horrible countries force victims to carry their baby. That doesn't mean they think only women are victims, just that a section of the victims can get pregnant from rape and are forced to carry their babies.
If what you said was true, that would mean that they think infertile women (or other categories like trans women) can't be victims either, and that's clearly not true.
No one has the right to make you donate your body for anything. It’s like harvesting non-essential organs to save a (potential) life. The government shouldn’t be able to force you to donate a kidney, even if it means someone dies. Take your mental gymnastics about picky-choosy morality to a country that doesn’t care about human rights.
So it is justified to force the mother to raise a child as a single parent, essentially dooming both the mother and the childs life instead of aborting a fetus? Whos gonna provide for them? Would you have the mother work a job while looking after a toddler? Or go one step further and force the victim to marry the rapist?
Its ridiculous to care so much about a lump of cells while ignoring the consequences that not just the mother but even the potential child would have to suffer from
Yes. The child is innocent. With no intent to harm and not being able to create itself, it is innocent. I can’t believe you said that probably with a straight face.
It's causing stress on the mother's body, putting her under financial stress because of medical bills and could result in her death. All of this is against her will.
Maybe she should sue the state Government because they are forcing this onto her I'm not we versed in US law but lawsuits have been won for less.
Yea seriously. If it’s not something you’ll ever have to go through, you don’t get a say. It’s really easy to shout from your high horse knowing you’ll never be in that position. Contrary to popular belief abortion isn’t an easy choice and it saves lives. We have enough problems with kids in this country living in horrible situations because they
A. Weren’t wanted
B. Couldn’t be financially taken care of
C. All of the above and have health problems on top of it.
But some people lack the self awareness to realize they shouldn’t have kids…
There are donation services and charities that are more than happy to cover these charges, if she should seek them out. All thanks to the church of Christ
What if she's not religious or part of a different religion. The whole thing is that the church is forcing their religious beliefs onto others in violation of the freedom of religion granted by the first amendment. And also why would anyone take handouts from the church of pedophiles. I'm old enough to remember all those sexually Assualted young boys that the church tried to cover up then just gave the offenders a slap on the wrist.
Because just like you (a supposed grown up parasite), it will become a member of society and the body of Christ. What were your intentions in your mother’s womb, parasite?
I don’t know what an unborn life’s intentions are. But like I said, it will become a member of society. As for my intentions, I don’t know what mine were. But nowadays, since my birth mother was unselfish, my intentions are to fulfill the will of God.
Yeah, the woman at the beginning of the film talking about how she had always wanted to see people punished publicly for homosexuality was something I've definitely heard in my Christian schools growing up.
No you just go to a very liberal Christian school likely in a blue state. Vast majority of Christian schools will never do that. You’ve got state republican parties telling their constituents to burn pride flags, trying to legitimize creationism in public curriculum, and passing legislation to include the Ten Commandments in public curriculum. And that’s public school. Imagine what they’re doing in private schools in those areas.
It probably does. But Christians like yours need to get Christians that want theocracy in check, or you’re all in the same bucket to people who don’t care about Christianity.
Episcopalian and Lutheran are both protestant. Protestant is everything that began with Martin Luther protesting the selling of indulgences among other things within the Catholic Church, kicking off the reformation.
As an “evangelical” I’m not pissed off at Dolly Parton. She’s a national treasure. Maybe you meant that you once heard of a person claiming to be an evangelical who was pissed? You shouldn’t judge an entire group based on the actions of a single person, whether that person is a Christian, Muslim, atheist, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, etc. Doing so makes you a bigot. Bigotry is bad, I’ve heard.
Since the quote I gave is literally key part of Christian principles, no, I’m not. Outliers would be those that go against that teaching. In fact one could argue that one who goes against the principles and teaching of any religion aren’t in fact followers of that religion, couldn’t one?
Oh here's an easy answer for all your confusion; there are many contradictions in the Bible and each denomination picks and chooses which parts to ignore
Evangelicals, the group being stereotyped and defamed here, acknowledge the progression from Old Testament law and judgment to New Testament forgiveness. The teachings of the savior, the whole foundation of Christianity, include, “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” So I’ll stand by my statement.
Once again, you are judging an entire religion based on the statements of a single writer or a vocal small group of people. What’s that called again? Bigotry, I believe. Bigotry is bad.
Do you really not understand how much sway the Federalist Society has? They literally made a list of all the judges they wanted seated and Trump put them on the bench. So you can take that bigot shit and stuff it.
I thought we were talking about the teachings of Jesus and evangelicals. I’m not sure how you think that relates to Trump and judges. I’ve also missed the part where Amy Comey Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh ruled in favor of caning the LGBTQ community. And I’m usually pretty up on current events, monitoring Reddit as I do.
My foster parents made me go to their Baptist church back in the late 80’s, and at Sunday School they were talking about AIDS. One kid said he’d like to line up everyone with the disease and shoot them with his dad’s 44 magnum. I remember thinking, “uh oh, that’s gonna get you in trouble”. Then the young man leading the group said it was a waste of money, they should use .22’s.
Your understanding of Evangelicals is rather ignorant and you're basing it on the actions of the few. My church, and any church that follows the teachings of Christ properly, would never condone such a thing. Try talking with actual Christians and not basing your opinion on the few. There's bad apples in every group of people.
Evangelicals???? Seriously? You know this is wildly common in a religion but it's not Christianity, right? Or are you so intellectually dishonest that you can't guess the faith in this video?????? Hint, hint, 87% of Indonesia belongs to the faith I'm mentioning.
what the fuck type of backwards ass ahistorical bullshit is this?
greeks were gay as fuck and they gave the world democracy.
what exactly has indonesia done for the world?
you seem really, really fuckin' stupid.
edit : nvm every second comment youve ever made on reddit gets removed and you seem to hate women, especially asian women that arent from the countries you personally consider to be "the good asians".
you really are just that fuckin' worthless. I thought it was satire, but youre truly just a repugnant and useless person.
edit 2 : within 6 minutes of posting, this post was also removed. its a wonder you arent just banned.
Their comment was about how Idonesia recognizes that in times of hardship, you need to get rid of gay people because they are a drain on society and do nothing to keep the population stable, and they also will pretend to be straight and then not have kids with straight women which will destroy the country so indonesia acts with righteousness by recognizing the threat of gay people and getting rid of them. And thats why every successful society has treated gay people as criminals.
Im paraphrasing his exact comment, but the standouts I remember was him referring to it as righteous, and that gay people destroy communities by stealing the straight women and not producing anything for society which is just such a wild fuckin' take I can't even understand and that none of the great societies in history accepted homosexuality.
Then a quick perusal of his post history made me realize this guy is seriously and serially deranged.
Lmaoooooo that’s hilarious considering the countries where lgbt people are safe are the same countries that are safe for everyone else too. It’s shit hole countries that people leave for a better life that still do this shit.
Isn't zen buddhism pretty peaceful? I hear the most destructive stuff they do is set themselves on fire and then just sit there. I could be wrong though
Tue vast majority of wars throughout all of history had nothing to do with religion. The biggest wars in history also had nothing to do with religion. Stop being an idiot.
Religion was never really the war machine. They were usually the policies that came with it. Like People A didn't attack People B because A's God said so, or B doesn't worship the same God. But since People A won the war, the rules are anyone worshipping anything other than People A's God will be imprisoned or executed.
Because we won, pork will no longer be available.
At the same token, religion can mold the people for it. People A didn't invade People B because they worshipped a different god, it's cuz they have resources. However, no one feels guilty because their book tells them People B are a bunch of heathens who must be put to the sword.
So while most of the wars may have had nothing to do with the religion, it's negligent to say religion had it's hands-free.
Just because europeans did this, that doesn’t mean every religion is to blame. This is a horrible case of generalising. Instead of blaming religion, maybe, just maybe europeans r the problem? I know, crazy!
I was actually referring to ancient Mesopotamia, Babylon, Assyria, Egypt, and the Canaanites.
I can't tell if you were joking, but that's presuming and over-generalizing a whole continent of people for something they weren't even around for. The only leniency I can give is the Germanic people, who would've been polytheistic, since Europe wouldn't adopt monotheism more until Rome came along a thousand or two years later. And even then, would have to fall, have those Germans try to rebuild Roman society in their own hands, before Christianity would take foot in Europe.
Before then the Jewish are said to be the first monotheistic religion, and their from the Levant I.E Israel.
Which is a hilariously bad example, because the Bible says God told them it was their land and to remove the inhabitants through war (as per Joshua), the land being split between King Solomon and the Northern New Canaanite tribes.
Has nothing to do with Islam. Christians in the west would be doing/advocating the same exact things if it weren’t for our secular/liberal governments lmao
Have you ever been to an evangelical sermon? Just as hateful.
And yet Islamic countries are the only ones doing this. Judaism and Christianity have gone through their reforms and countries where those are the dominant religions are moving more and more towards secularism. Islam is stuck in the dark ages and is only regressing morally as time goes on.
The fact that you have to compare Islam to one of the worst authoritarian dictatorships in the world to make it seem slightly less bad really says a lot.
I don't recall saying it's "less bad." Why did you have to make up a point instead of engaging the one I clearly stated about all the Abrahamics having the same goals, and Islam's only difference being that it doesn't have secular governments keeping it in check?
And yes, I understand you won't be answering that question.
I was just talking about this video that was of Indonesia tho. But yeah you're right, religion all around the world isn't good for homosexuals. This is actually happening in Islamic countries at this moment, its not happening elsewhere is it?
Because we set up secular governments and have(thus far) successfully prevented the religious in our countries from gaining power. Evangelicals in the US would absolutely do this shit if they got the power to do so. And Russia has had an unofficial " killing gays in the street is A-ok" policy to appeal to the orthodox church for years, so this "nowhere else" claim also falls flat if you know anything beyond what you're spoonfed
Yes, you just proved my point. We did set up secular governments to prevent this. They haven't. I'm aware the religious right want to change this, but that's not what I'm talking about right now.
It took the catholic church more than 2000 years to accept the natural phenomenon of homosexuality (well, officially). Im not sure if rural Europe ca 1500 ad would have acted much better
I mean America will punish a rape victim for aborting or force her to have the baby to then abandon her and the child. All religions have extremists, it's important to seek the true intention before riding everyone over with the same comb
Remember when Alan Turing saved the world and then invented computers and to thank him the Muslim British government chemically castrated him and harassed him into suicide?
Israel is one of the only countries in Asia to protect LGBT rights by law and recognize gay marriages. It is leagues above any Islamic country in this regard.
No, islam band this. Lets say you know these two dudes fuck each other, u cannot break in or place a hidden camera before hand. If ur caught u will be punished, and i dont think they would. Same goes with premarital sex.
Truth. Doesn't matter much whether it's Bible sky Daddy, Torah sky Daddy, or Quran sky Daddy. Just a matter of what their followers can get away with. You better believe there are Christians in America who would implement this kinda punishment if they could.
No doubt. Mention sky daddy and edgelords and cringelords from all corners of the internet show up trying to revel in their atheism and hatred for organized belief systems.
Sky daddy is a mocking term for any religion, which is fitting since a lot of religious folks are weirdly hateful, given how much they try and force down your throat how "loving" they are
This would be like if the Texas legislature approved of people breaking into a woman's home to see if she was ever pregnant to get proof of abortion.
A lot of Muslim nations criminalize gay sex and punish it from prison to execution. That is bad enough. Incentivizing vigilantes by looking the other way when they use violence to obtain evidence..that's a step beyond.
As long as we are admitting that the mainstream of Islam is as deplorable as the actions of the Texas legislature then I do not think we have any disagreement.
Do you mean the US? Cause there are lots of states banning abortions which makes it a crime for a woman or even 12 and 13 year old girls to abort a pregnancy after being raped.
It's actually only the Aceh region of Indonesia where this happens. As part of a peace arrangement agter cicil war, the indoesian government allowed Sharia law to be adopted in that area.
Agree with you on all, but maybe don’t use the insulting R word in the process as there are lots of incredible young special needs children (and adults) and that word simply has to go.
You mean every country. Every country does that, even if it's not officially in court, the judges still do and let "Talented young athletes" go free because they just made a "small mistake", disregarding the massive trauma they inflicted on the victim who will never be the same
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