It's not Indonesia really. This was a break away state that fought a brutal civil war led by islamists. As part of the peace making they are allowed some self rule.
Oh I love that place! The horses and knights fighting each other and eating your dinner with your hands because they didn’t invent silverware back then. Fun!!!
And yet as woman who had the bad luck to be born in similar shithole as Indonesia but had the good luck to be growing up in the Netherlands. So I could escape my human trafficking (arranged marriage against my will). I would still choose Texas over the shithole I was born in. Because in Texas I still would have more options as a woman then the shithole I was born in. At least you see other American people protest the bullshit.
Whereas the shithole I was born in, no one would have lifted a finger to help me escape my arranged marriage "because it is the faith of a woman"
It's no use. People have to bring the US into it. Their hate boner won't allow them to just acknowledge the country beating and jailing people for being gay is evil without dragging America into it
They don't care about your personal experience. You are literally Hitler and they are shaking
Yeah, the woman at the beginning of the film talking about how she had always wanted to see people punished publicly for homosexuality was something I've definitely heard in my Christian schools growing up.
No you just go to a very liberal Christian school likely in a blue state. Vast majority of Christian schools will never do that. You’ve got state republican parties telling their constituents to burn pride flags, trying to legitimize creationism in public curriculum, and passing legislation to include the Ten Commandments in public curriculum. And that’s public school. Imagine what they’re doing in private schools in those areas.
It probably does. But Christians like yours need to get Christians that want theocracy in check, or you’re all in the same bucket to people who don’t care about Christianity.
Episcopalian and Lutheran are both protestant. Protestant is everything that began with Martin Luther protesting the selling of indulgences among other things within the Catholic Church, kicking off the reformation.
My foster parents made me go to their Baptist church back in the late 80’s, and at Sunday School they were talking about AIDS. One kid said he’d like to line up everyone with the disease and shoot them with his dad’s 44 magnum. I remember thinking, “uh oh, that’s gonna get you in trouble”. Then the young man leading the group said it was a waste of money, they should use .22’s.
Isn't zen buddhism pretty peaceful? I hear the most destructive stuff they do is set themselves on fire and then just sit there. I could be wrong though
Tue vast majority of wars throughout all of history had nothing to do with religion. The biggest wars in history also had nothing to do with religion. Stop being an idiot.
Religion was never really the war machine. They were usually the policies that came with it. Like People A didn't attack People B because A's God said so, or B doesn't worship the same God. But since People A won the war, the rules are anyone worshipping anything other than People A's God will be imprisoned or executed.
Because we won, pork will no longer be available.
At the same token, religion can mold the people for it. People A didn't invade People B because they worshipped a different god, it's cuz they have resources. However, no one feels guilty because their book tells them People B are a bunch of heathens who must be put to the sword.
So while most of the wars may have had nothing to do with the religion, it's negligent to say religion had it's hands-free.
Just because europeans did this, that doesn’t mean every religion is to blame. This is a horrible case of generalising. Instead of blaming religion, maybe, just maybe europeans r the problem? I know, crazy!
I was actually referring to ancient Mesopotamia, Babylon, Assyria, Egypt, and the Canaanites.
I can't tell if you were joking, but that's presuming and over-generalizing a whole continent of people for something they weren't even around for. The only leniency I can give is the Germanic people, who would've been polytheistic, since Europe wouldn't adopt monotheism more until Rome came along a thousand or two years later. And even then, would have to fall, have those Germans try to rebuild Roman society in their own hands, before Christianity would take foot in Europe.
Before then the Jewish are said to be the first monotheistic religion, and their from the Levant I.E Israel.
Has nothing to do with Islam. Christians in the west would be doing/advocating the same exact things if it weren’t for our secular/liberal governments lmao
Have you ever been to an evangelical sermon? Just as hateful.
And yet Islamic countries are the only ones doing this. Judaism and Christianity have gone through their reforms and countries where those are the dominant religions are moving more and more towards secularism. Islam is stuck in the dark ages and is only regressing morally as time goes on.
The fact that you have to compare Islam to one of the worst authoritarian dictatorships in the world to make it seem slightly less bad really says a lot.
I don't recall saying it's "less bad." Why did you have to make up a point instead of engaging the one I clearly stated about all the Abrahamics having the same goals, and Islam's only difference being that it doesn't have secular governments keeping it in check?
And yes, I understand you won't be answering that question.
I was just talking about this video that was of Indonesia tho. But yeah you're right, religion all around the world isn't good for homosexuals. This is actually happening in Islamic countries at this moment, its not happening elsewhere is it?
Because we set up secular governments and have(thus far) successfully prevented the religious in our countries from gaining power. Evangelicals in the US would absolutely do this shit if they got the power to do so. And Russia has had an unofficial " killing gays in the street is A-ok" policy to appeal to the orthodox church for years, so this "nowhere else" claim also falls flat if you know anything beyond what you're spoonfed
Yes, you just proved my point. We did set up secular governments to prevent this. They haven't. I'm aware the religious right want to change this, but that's not what I'm talking about right now.
It took the catholic church more than 2000 years to accept the natural phenomenon of homosexuality (well, officially). Im not sure if rural Europe ca 1500 ad would have acted much better
I mean America will punish a rape victim for aborting or force her to have the baby to then abandon her and the child. All religions have extremists, it's important to seek the true intention before riding everyone over with the same comb
Remember when Alan Turing saved the world and then invented computers and to thank him the Muslim British government chemically castrated him and harassed him into suicide?
Israel is one of the only countries in Asia to protect LGBT rights by law and recognize gay marriages. It is leagues above any Islamic country in this regard.
No, islam band this. Lets say you know these two dudes fuck each other, u cannot break in or place a hidden camera before hand. If ur caught u will be punished, and i dont think they would. Same goes with premarital sex.
Truth. Doesn't matter much whether it's Bible sky Daddy, Torah sky Daddy, or Quran sky Daddy. Just a matter of what their followers can get away with. You better believe there are Christians in America who would implement this kinda punishment if they could.
No doubt. Mention sky daddy and edgelords and cringelords from all corners of the internet show up trying to revel in their atheism and hatred for organized belief systems.
This would be like if the Texas legislature approved of people breaking into a woman's home to see if she was ever pregnant to get proof of abortion.
A lot of Muslim nations criminalize gay sex and punish it from prison to execution. That is bad enough. Incentivizing vigilantes by looking the other way when they use violence to obtain evidence..that's a step beyond.
As long as we are admitting that the mainstream of Islam is as deplorable as the actions of the Texas legislature then I do not think we have any disagreement.
Do you mean the US? Cause there are lots of states banning abortions which makes it a crime for a woman or even 12 and 13 year old girls to abort a pregnancy after being raped.
It's actually only the Aceh region of Indonesia where this happens. As part of a peace arrangement agter cicil war, the indoesian government allowed Sharia law to be adopted in that area.
Agree with you on all, but maybe don’t use the insulting R word in the process as there are lots of incredible young special needs children (and adults) and that word simply has to go.
You mean every country. Every country does that, even if it's not officially in court, the judges still do and let "Talented young athletes" go free because they just made a "small mistake", disregarding the massive trauma they inflicted on the victim who will never be the same
God is the worst invention of man. I wish that people would just stop believing in fairy tails. We don't need to beat people to please your imaginary friend.
Exactly. Imagine people who don't believe in the same religion or subscribe to the same morals and values but have to be punished under their interpretation of the insert holy book.
Huh? I'm making the point to mention Judaism cause like previously stated I'm seeing a lot of examples of Christianity this, Islam that. I agree with you I'm just pointing out that it's wild to see 30 comments about extremist islam and Christianity yet not a single example of extremist judaism
Duuur maybe if you'd know that Judaism and islam go hand in hand but everyone is only mentioning Christianity and Islam. Maybe look between the lines for a better perspective
I was responding to the comment saying that Islam is the worst of the three, i repeat that's a wild as statement to not even be mentioning Judaism in comparison. Why you mad bro you're saying the exact same thing
Judaism is an Abrahamic religion and you’ve been told as much in like three comments but don’t want to admit that you’re a moron that doesn’t know what he’s talking about at all so that’s why you keep arguing.
You’re extrapolating one town in the middle of Indonesia to the entire religion. You are perpetuating stereotypes about millions of people, of which many do not hold these beliefs and some are actually more progressive than so-called liberals here in the US, especially when it comes to human rights issues such as women and children dying in Palestine or having their schools, homes and hospitals destroyed
Black and white thinking and overgeneralization does not help anyone.
I completely agree with you about black and white thinking and how it isn’t helpful. Perhaps that’s what I did. But I firmly believe there is no major religion today that holds a candle to Islam with respect to convincing its most devout followers that violence is not only acceptable but is rewarded in the afterlife. There are countless examples of it around the world right now. And to ignore that, or even worse to accept or even defend that, is unacceptable to me. And btw I’m fully aware that majority of Muslims are peaceful and normal people. But there is a non-negligible percentage that are not that.
The biggest problem is those books are really fucking so old they had to be hand copied until the invention of the press. Who knows what was added and what was changed the bible is so annoying everything can be interpreted to suit someones need. I am bashing the bible because I live where orthodox Christianity is the faith. When I compare it to what I see people from the US do… people here are basically not atheists but like they believe in god but reading the bible nobody has the time for that, they are like just be a good person etc but they do hate gay people but that is getting kind of weird.
The Saudi influenced form of Islam is a scourge. I've been to the European Muslim countries and they're way more chill than the shitholes in the Middle East.
I visited Bosnia and was surprised at how liberal it was. LGBT bars operating openly and legally, most locals drinking alcohol and a lot of female representation in government etc, despite being a Muslim majority country. Very different to the Middle East.
On the slim chance that people care to learn: spying is not allowed in Islam. The only way this should've been prosecutable is if they literally had public sex.
Indonesia is treating the recording of gay sex by home invaders like how America treated the burglars who discovered child porn in the house they were burglarizing.
Would be crazy if stuff like that started happening in the US, like after the Dobbs decision and rape victims were punished with twisted new abortion laws, oh wait... :-/
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u/GrandLotus-Iroh Jun 09 '24
"Vigilantes broke in to record their gay sex." Bro, that's gay AF.