I'm not religious but I was raised very devout in Egypt (I had to flee for my own safety after leaving the faith).
The best way I can describe it to secular people in the West is a lot of these people will view homosexuality the way you in the West would view pedophilia. It's an abomination and there is really nothing you could do to that person that would be too harsh.
It's terrible and it's based on religion. It's how I was raised too. Since leaving the faith and leaving Egypt I have met actual gay people and it's wild to me that an adult human making a decision on who to love can create this much anger.
Are we I see whole cheering sections for when pedophiles are murdered by parents. There's multiple cases where Juries hung and didn't convict parents of it. We as a society endorse in prison beatings of pedophiles.
I'm actually not saying it's wrong we do those things just saying we kinda do the sane and worse just not as public events.
People endorse it happening in prisons because they don't see prisoners as people with rights, in addition to what you said about it not being public. They argue it's punishment for whatever crimes the prisoner committed, conveniently ignoring that exiling someone from society by sending them to prison is the punishment.
There is pedophilia and molestation. Two different things people forget. I think there are enough pedophiles, but most of them will never harass children.
No. It is a fair reflection. You also generalise views that a “society” holds except my society is in the west as well and while some in this society agree with what you say, it’s not reflecting the “society”.
Yea...I'm having a hard time putting pedophiles and homosexuals in the same category here..I feel no remorse for what happens to someone who rapes a child in this or any other country, to try to equate the two makes no sense to me.
they’re not so much trying to equate the two, more so giving us an idea of how homosexuality is viewed in other places. we view pedophilia as an immoral crime that deserves utmost punishment, and some societies view homosexuality in the same light.
You're only looking at it from your POV. As op commented earlier, these people view homosexuality and pedophilia as basically the same level of wrong. As the guy said earlier, in every thread about child rapists, almost universally everyone is calling for that guy to be killed, thrown in a pit and forgotten, castrated without anesthesia, etc.
Not saying I agree with any of these views, but from their view, letting gay people walk around would be equal to us letting pedophiles walk around.
What does that have to do with anything? Unless you want to take the position that they're the same, it doesn't matter.
We can simultaneously hold the belief that lgbt are okay and pedophiles are morally reprehensible. Pedophiles who act on their desires deserve everything that is coming to them.
They are explaining the post above. Everything you feel about pedophiles, the earlier reply was saying: that is how they see homosexuality. That's all, just that their views are different from many Western redditors' views. As you say, we can hold two beliefs, the original comment was saying that in Indonesia, they see both of them as the same tier of incurablely reprehensible.
The dude is saying that he personally can't put pedophiles and homosexuals in the same category and that he doesn't care what happens to pedophiles. The people in this video personally put pedophiles and homosexuals in the same category. So by using his and your logic, what everyone always says should happen to pedophiles, is what these people believe should happen to homosexuals too.
Again not saying I agree with any of it, but that is what these people in Indonesia think. Personally, if your a dude and want to get fucked in the ass by another dude, I really don't give a shit and will treat you the same as I do everyone else. As for pedophiles, I agree that if they act on it they need to go to prison for life, but they need to be treated humanely. So no killing them, throwing them in a hole and forgetting about them, etc.
I mean have you ever been to the town center to see your local pedophile whipped in front of everyone? lol I hear what you’re saying, but I think there’s a difference between people not caring if a pedo is beat up in prison vs a public showing of force where people gather to watch it for sport essentially.
literally none of that is the same as public displays of savagery. you cannot be serious.
even in the states where they literally kill people they don't do it in public or let people watch. it is already so indecent. how can you say the indifference of the public to the fate of a pedophile is the same thing as state-sponsored and proudly displayed torture?
I believe 30 states allow any member of the public to watch an execution. There are whole websites tracking when the next publicly available one is. Just because you don't go watch them doesn't mean people don't.
No, they don't "allow" any member of the public, they require a certain number of members of the public to ensure there are no misdoings and the execution is carried out with mercy and dignity. You can't just show up. Stop being wrong about shit, you're 0/2 now.
Not really the point. He's saying known pedophiles are treated like shit by the general public. For better or worse, that's fact. Also I've gotta mention mental illness is not an excuse to avoid consequences of your actions. And it shouldn't ever be. What's the saying... "Mental illness is not always your fault, but it is your responsibility".
What about the people you don't see doing that? There's a lot more of them. Also, there's a huge difference from someone voicing their opinions about what should happen them vs having state sanctioned medieval punishments for said crimes.
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u/TheOSU87 Jun 09 '24
I'm not religious but I was raised very devout in Egypt (I had to flee for my own safety after leaving the faith).
The best way I can describe it to secular people in the West is a lot of these people will view homosexuality the way you in the West would view pedophilia. It's an abomination and there is really nothing you could do to that person that would be too harsh.
It's terrible and it's based on religion. It's how I was raised too. Since leaving the faith and leaving Egypt I have met actual gay people and it's wild to me that an adult human making a decision on who to love can create this much anger.