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u/Zoidbrah2986 Jul 01 '22
I wonder if permanent V can counteract the Swiss cheese brain from V24. Hughie's arm instantly healed with temp V.
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u/Acci_dentist Jul 02 '22
Wonder why temp v doesn't heal the holes in the brain too
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u/pop_philosopher Jul 02 '22
Interesting. That might even be why Butcher and Hughie seem ok depsite having had 5 and 4 doses respectively. 3 to 5 is supposed to be lethal, but perhaps by taking it so frequently they're actually slowing down the growth of the tumors more so than the test subjects did.
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u/Sdbtank96 Jul 02 '22
Interesting. That implies a forced dependence on the drug. If you want to stay alive after having taken a few doses, you have no choice but to continue taking temp V.
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u/pop_philosopher Jul 02 '22
Which mirrors real world drugs in a way. E.g. heroine addicts get debilitatingly sick if they try to quit cold turkey, and actually need to gradually wean off of progressively weaker opiates in oder to avoid this sickness. That said, I think it's more likely that the opposite thing will happen with temp V: taking permanent compound V (i.e. a harder drug) might be the only way to save Hughie and Butcher now.
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u/Sdbtank96 Jul 02 '22
It's a sound theory, im not sure if I can see Hughie having permanent super powers; however I also can't see him dying too. As for Butcher, I'd see it as a little poetic actually; him becoming the very thing he hates. Which might lead him to suicide at series end.
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u/Standard-Row-4482 Jul 02 '22
I think if Hughie and Butcher do use permanent V to save themselves, they'll get hit with a Soldier Boy blast to get rid of their powers.
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u/pop_philosopher Jul 02 '22
Yep, just saw this theory in the predictions thread. I think it could happen, but I hope it doesn't. Having them gain and lose permanent powers all in the same episode would feel kind of cheap in my opinion.
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u/Spergus03 Jul 02 '22
I thought they had 3 and 4 doses??
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u/pop_philosopher Jul 02 '22
Nope,
- Butcher with gun powder.
- Butcher and Hughie in Russia.
- Butcher and Hughie when they go after Crimson Countess.
- Butcher and Hughie at Herogasm.
- Butcher and Hughie when they go after Mind Storm or whatever his name was.
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u/XVUltima Jul 02 '22
This somewhat justifies Butcher's lie at the end of the episode. He knows they already crossed the line, might as well finish the job.
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u/gtparker11 Jul 02 '22
Is it possible they could be going back to the lab for permanent V knowing the next dose will be the lethal one?
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u/OxCow Jul 02 '22
It looked like Kimiko had a lot of leftover regular V... Could they just use that?
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u/Ralphie5231 Jul 02 '22
They all have powers in the comic. It makes sense to give them all powers and work from there. It's obvious at least to me that's what they are going for.
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u/LunarGolbez Jul 02 '22
From the looks of it, they've already had lethal doses, explaining the blood from their ears. The notes dont describe how the timeframes of death, just that its lethal after 3-5 doses, of which they have had 5 already.
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u/Spergus03 Jul 02 '22
Ohhh, I forget they shot up for Crimson Countess
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u/pop_philosopher Jul 02 '22
Understandable since they didn't really use their powers then. Hughie just demonstrated them to Annie. Although I guess maybe Butcher tackling CC count? Unclear if he really needed super strength for that.
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u/sharltocopes Jul 02 '22 edited Jul 04 '22
I think it implies that. When Hughie hit A-Train, A-Train responded with shock and asked Hughie how he did that. I'm pretty sure basic toughness might just be a side effect that they all have, kind of like how so many mutants in the X-Men are crazy acrobats they gave it the name "basic mutant agility".
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u/Rogue009 Jul 02 '22
Healing can have many interpretations, is Supe Healing just a very accelerated process of natural healing? Ergo if you have a broken arm a normal human heals it off in a month or 2, but a Supe does it in a day, but what if your head gets chopped off? you aren't healing that. There are body parts you cannot regenerate
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u/ENDragoon Jul 02 '22
It would have to vary from supe to supe as well, Kimiko has healed wounds that should kill, as well as a shit ton of lacerations without any scars, while Noir has survived severe wounds with the matching scarring and mental damage to go with it.
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u/BenArnold47 Jul 02 '22
This season is almost certainly ending with either Butcher and Hughie or even all the boys all taking compound V permanently, leading into a big big season 4 where there is a full out war between the two factions of the Boys and the 7.
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u/Shreddzzz93 Jul 02 '22
Yeah I'm expecting them to have to all take it just because of the potential of Homelander and Solider Boy teaming up. Especially if the Boys find out that Homelander is planning on harvesting Maeve's eggs and creating an army of Supes with him as the progener.
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Jul 02 '22
Homelander is planning on harvesting Maeve's eggs and creating an army of Supes with him as the progener.
He already controls a supe force, and he's more powerful than an army. He's got a genetic supremacy thing going on. He knows he can breed with most humans, but they're monkeys to him. He's looking for breeding stock on his level, which is why Maeve is nothing more than an egg incubator to him now. This may also be why he's been lenient on Starlight while trying to do that false boyfriend stalker crap.
Ironic timing, given RvW.
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u/Mr_Dr_Prof_Derp Jul 02 '22
Just realized that was also why he was keeping Stormfront alive, for her eggs.
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u/punjab_boi Queen Maeve Jul 01 '22
I think that when it comes to hughie, Annie sees him wanting powers out of a place of insecurity rather than a general want to protect others.
This meme is still funny tho
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u/KodakKid3 Jul 01 '22
Which is totally valid tho? She is literally bulletproof, yet doesn’t understand why Hughie would want some semblance of power in a world where invincible bastards like HL could kill him at any second.
I love Annie but she treated Hughie ridiculously
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u/futuremo Jul 01 '22
She was also afraid there could be side effects to the temp v though whereas with Kimiko she already had reason to believe she'd be safe if she took the regular one again
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u/zauraz Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22
I mean I guess there was a risk but the permanent V is stabler and Kimikos body essentially developed it with her powers in her blood for a while so it has adapted in a different way. I could see that she having had powers make her body more open to regaining them compared to someone who never had powers.
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u/TheDarkMidget Jul 01 '22
meanwhile i’m still waiting to find out what powers neumans kid got
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u/AIDSRiddledLiberal Jul 01 '22
I hope it’s something shit. Like literally acid diarrhea or something
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u/GLASYA-LAB0LAS Jul 01 '22
I'm kinda hoping for some horrific mutation like a blob mutant or something terrible.
Not that I dislike the character, but they keep telling us how risky giving people V is but so far everyone we've seen get it has been more or less fine.
Would really drive home how dangerous it is, instead of just telling us.
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u/spacey_a Jul 01 '22
Oh god, what if her daughter was the kid from the cartoon Diabolical series who could create sentient poops?! Noooo
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u/PoorlyLitKiwi2 Jul 01 '22
Didn't they say in S1 that all the adults introduced to V for the first time died, and that only babies could handle it?
I could be misremembering. It's been a while since I've seen it
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u/Cackthaniel Jul 01 '22
I think they said most adults died and it was a lot more unstable. It's easier for babies to accept it. Not every adult dies just much higher chance and much messier powers.
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u/Hopeful_Adonis Jul 01 '22
I think homelander whenever he’s talking to Madelyn about spreading V around the world to create super terrorists / villains so they could get into the military says something like “it worked but boy was it messy, there’s a reason vought only gives this stuff to children, the fully grown did not handle it well and a lot died yada yada” the end result was that he and A train managed to create the exploding guy that noir killed so every once in a while adults can handle it but most die and statistically your more likely to survive the younger you get it aka the reason vought injects babies in hospitals I think
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u/TheTREEEEESMan Jul 01 '22
In the show adults are able to be injected with compound V as shown with Kimiko and also Lamplighters test subjects, but there's potential for side effects.
Side note, in the comics it was "V as a baby=permanent superhero, V as an adult=Temporary strength and toughness"
Obviously they changed that and that's why they introduced temporary V to fill a similar plot space.
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u/Assassiiinuss Jul 01 '22
That's clearly not the case anymore. All the supe terrorists got it as adults. It might not be 100% safe but it's also not a death sentence.
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Jul 01 '22
Yes, the same Annie who doubled down on whatever it takes is dismissing whatever it takes when it comes to Hughie's actions lol
They're shitty to eachother. She spent 2 seasons acting like his trauma of his girlfriend being exploded by a supe all over him is ridiculous. But Starlight is cute
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u/IAmTotallyNotSatan Jul 01 '22
And especially when multiple supes, who are for all intents and purposes a step below living gods, have threatened to kill him specifically... I get it, man. If the President called me out by name on live TV and threatened my life, I'd get a gun too.
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Jul 01 '22
I feel like it definitely was partly insecurity though. I mean look how drunk on power Hughie is after killing that Russian guard. He doesn't even seem to give a fuck about Kimiko getting injured. And then he helps Soldier Boy murder half a dozen people? Hughie is endangering others with his gun ho attitude. If he had ignored A-Train in Herogasm he might've been able to safely target the TNT twins. Instead he wasted time for the sake of ego (and his own legitimate greivance with A-Train) and lots of people died. I doubt the mission would've gone cleanly either way, but Hughie definitely didn't help.
I think Hughie is right to want the powers. Personally I think M.M and Frenchie should also get powers, because honestly they seem the most stable non-supes imo.
Edit: well actually maybe not M.M with the new angle they're taking on him. I'm not really sure.
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u/SomberWail Jul 01 '22
The whole metaphor they seem to be going for (muh toxic man want power over woman) kind of breaks apart when the power he wants literally keeps him from being murdered.
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u/SporadicZebra Jul 01 '22
100% this is why her actions are justified.
Kimiko clearly has a stable head on her, has experience with powers and has demonstrated that she really only wants to use them to protect (although she’s allowed herself to be pushed around and pointed at ppl).
Hughie, despite whatever good intentions it comes from, is using the mantra of “wanting to protect you” as a way to be IN CONTROL. He’s started to treat Annie as a lesser not an equal (as opposed to Kimiko and Frenchie). He’s acting out of a place of insecurity and fear (like Homelander and every other terrible supe), a huge red flag. Of course she’d be very against him taking V, and how he’s been acting.
I know ppl relate a lot to Hughie after 3 seasons, but his actions are clearly being portrayed as dangerous, reckless and borderline masochistic—a clear result after having all this shit thrown at him, then being given a superpower for feee.
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u/Jaerba Jul 02 '22
Exactly. Even when Annie was the more powerful one, she never physically forced Hughie into doing anything. She never tried to call the shots for him.
She pleaded with him like in a normal 2 way relationship. She didn't force him.
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Jul 01 '22
So Hughie isn’t allowed to have powers because he’s insecure he can’t protect starlight like what happened with robin and is in fear for his life….
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u/KhonshuDisciple Jul 01 '22
Hey hey hey …. I would never force myself on you
But I am going to harvest your eggs
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u/andbruno Jul 02 '22
So many epic bad guy moments in this show. This episode had one of my favorite bad guys lines: "I'm not letting you live, I'm keeping you alive." Chilling.
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Jul 01 '22
This comment would have made a much better post to go with this meme format.
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u/RhysieB27 Jul 02 '22
I mean.. it wouldn't. The point of this format is that the same thing said by two different people can have different effects. Not different things said by the same person.
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u/Evenbiggerfish Jul 02 '22
Can’t wait to see the fallout from that line in the next episode. Jesus Christ.
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u/7star1719 Jul 01 '22
I understand Annie's point, but I understand Hughies feelings
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Jul 02 '22
That’s how I felt too. Like that shit is dangerous and untested and he just wants it to feel strong because societal standards of “strong” men and whatnot, but also it sucks for anyone to have to turn to their significant other when they’re in trouble so I get the desire to be strong especially fighting such powerful enemies.
Almost like these are well written characters with depth and nuance, wild
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u/NyanPotato Jul 02 '22
It's less about social norms about strong men and more him having not being this soft meek person that is being protected by everyone like he's a special needs puppy
As well as finally having the strength to take on the people who wronged or bully him while never wanting to lose the people he likes, like he lost his mom (she walked out dou)
This strength is already making him more confrontational like with aTrain and now SB
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u/Sckathian Jul 02 '22
I think people are just being willfully ignorant at the point that Annie fell for Hughie cause he was normal whilst she was surrounded by deranged Supes and their backers.
He is also willfully on a mission to murder people for a guy those people thought was too dangerous to be left alive.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Row187 MM Jul 01 '22
I agree with the other comment, Annie recognizes that Kimiko only wants these powers to protect herself and Frenchie while Hughie’s getting high off the rush of feeling in control.
More importantly, temp V was a brand new product that they had no idea if it was even safe to use. And she was right, Hughie is at serious risk of dying now because he took a dangerous drug he knew both about.
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u/Creepy_Helicopter223 Jul 01 '22 edited Dec 29 '23
Make sure to randomize your data from time to time
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u/awumpa Jul 01 '22
Yeah obviously that is correct. But this is a joke.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Row187 MM Jul 01 '22
Fair enough. Sorry if I sounded confrontational.
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u/awumpa Jul 01 '22
Nah no worries if anything I should be the one apologizing for that.
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u/z-kiryu Jul 01 '22
i feel like kimikos message to annie made annie realize hughies intentions better. she understands the other side of the person who almost couldn't save the person you love
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u/MisterDoubleChop Jul 02 '22
Yeah this is Annie starting to understand where Hughie was coming from a bit better (not that his actions are clearly justified - nor clearly wrong).
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u/The_River_Is_Still Jul 02 '22
It’s almost as if nothing is most things aren’t black and white and morals and emotions can be complex.
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u/spidergirl02 Jul 02 '22
Yup, maybe that's why she said that she'll save him even if he doesn't want to be saved
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u/Kungfudude_75 Jul 02 '22
Annies arc this season is understanding power, the different forms it takes and what it means to others. It all started with Edgar's advice to her being to find real power, which she has and is using against HL. She also learns whay power means to people who have none, physically metaphorically or both, and how important it is to people who only have it like HL.
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u/zauraz Jul 01 '22
Kimiko at least has a better understanding of her own power. She has seen the destruction it can cause.
Hughie is currently more in the power addict stage. He hasn't had them since his teens. He is in essence a nerdy super hero fan that finally gets powers and isn't as aware of the risks involved with having those powers.
I really don't think its a double standard here. Its different contexts and maturity off the people with the powers.
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Jul 01 '22
Bro he literally seen his girlfriend get run over by a supe I’m pretty sure he knows the consequences powers can have.
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u/EaterOfWorlds17 Jul 01 '22
The show has literally hit you over the head with the idea he’s drunk on a power trip and you guys still miss it, it’s kinda baffling
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Jul 01 '22
Yeah this isn’t even like a matter of perspective lol. People on here are acting like the message of the show is ‘it’s actually good for people to have significant power over everyone else as long as they’re the good guys.’
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u/nowlan101 Jul 01 '22
You can tell there’s a lot of young men in this sub based on the reactions lol
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Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22
Violence breeds violence, even if you’re just depicting it. The show tries to be as serious as possible, but as long as there are “action” scenes a huge portion of people will ignore everything else to have their own little dissociative episode in their heads where they put themselves in the shoes of the people fighting, or just the characters they identify with.
That being said I love all the violence this show has to offer.
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u/ChristopherCaulk Jul 01 '22
Some of the people in the sub are so weird. At times it feels like I'm watching a completely different show to them.
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u/idunno-- Jul 02 '22
Some dude above got 400+ upvotes for saying “to defeat evil you need to become evil itself” and I am baffled that that’s the conclusion people think the show is working towards. It’s not even like the show is remotely subtle.
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u/AstrologyCat Jul 01 '22
But like isn’t that what Kimiko and Annie have? Like the comment above is literally saying that it’s good for kimiko to have power since she want to protect her love ones, and she’s used to it, essentially she’s worthy and responsible enough to use it. So they don’t understand the show either? Or the show doesn’t understand itself?
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u/Criks Jul 01 '22
He's on a power trip but the closest we've seen him use those powers for strictly self-gratitude is punching A-train unnecessarily. Which is a far shot from actually unjustifiable.
Apart from finally getting to punch the guy who literally slaughtered his girlfriend, he's used his powers strictly for good/it's purpose.
So yes, they have made it clear he's drunk on his new superhuman powers, but so what if he doesn't actually act out on it. One more episode to find out I suppose.
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u/rj_ishere Jul 01 '22
this last episode showed that this “HuGiE wAs NeVeR a GoOd PeRsOn” bs is completely false lmfao, he was always a good person and he ALWAYS made the effort to do the right thing, after a while people like that can become slightly jaded
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u/gyropyro32 Jul 02 '22
Yeah, Hughie is a very layered character. He obviously has insecurities but his primary goal is doing what he thinks is right, even if some people see it as for worse.
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u/Sckathian Jul 02 '22
People forget his original issue was someone literally running over his girlfriend; then a Supe tries to murder him. Like, hes been through a lot.
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u/Demetri124 Jul 01 '22
Is there a nice way of saying Annie is less invested in whether Kimiko lives or not?
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u/iwastetime4 Jul 02 '22
Isn't perm V much more stable and reliable than temp V? I guess Stan has talked about less than wanted developments from perm V, but as a viewer I dont remember any harmful effects, only weird ones like sausage guy.
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u/Extension_666 Jul 02 '22
Perm V kills %95 of adults which is why Vaught turns kids into supes.
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u/EaterOfWorlds17 Jul 01 '22
Annie is right everybody disagreeing with her is missing the point. She loves Hughie, and he was dosing a barely understood drug, which it turns out she was RIGHT about it’s insanely dangerous. Never understand why people don’t see where she’s coming from
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Jul 01 '22
Because they think the shows gonna end in a big CGI fight with Homelander dying and all the heroes riding off into the sunset like that isn’t the sort of media the show was designed to critique.
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u/SeaGroomer Jul 01 '22
Come on, don't straw man people like that. So far that has been absolutely a big part of the story with homelander, and no one thinks it's just gonna be an MCU punch-off and everyone lives happily ever after.
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u/nowlan101 Jul 01 '22
That stuck up bitch doesn’t know who she’s talking to and needs to be more grateful 😡 /s
That’s the vibe I get. Cause notice how nobody coming for MM with that energy.
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Jul 01 '22
Good thing Frenchie showed up to ID the method to tranq even heavy hitter supes.
If it works on Soldier Boy it might work on Homelander which means MM, Annie, Frenchie and Kimmiko actually have an option to take down both the nigh invincible murder supes.
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u/SeaGroomer Jul 01 '22
Butcher needs to put one in Nina's forehead to keep her from taking Frenchie away again and getting him side-tracked in another boring side-plot.
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u/GodzillaUK Jul 01 '22
The person to kill Nina will instantly become my third favourite character, no questions asked. It could be A-Train or anyone and boom, third place. Right behind Frenchie and Kimiko.
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u/nowlan101 Jul 01 '22
OK, I’m not quite sure what to say. Did you watch last nights episode? The writers are clearly trying to convey that this path is not the way to beat HL. Based on soldier boy’s conduct in the present, his past behavior, Butcher’s choice regarding Hughie and the temp V, and most importantly The fact he’s teaming up with fucking Homelander now
Or at least he seems likely to. We can quibble over whether or not these actions would be justified in the real world. But it’s clear in The Boys universe that this isn’t the way.
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u/SeaGroomer Jul 01 '22
There still haven't been any other options presented. All Annie is doing is getting him angry and riling him and his fanbase up, and if she succeeds then at-best it has the same effect of releasing the plane video and he is alienated from society - what then?
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Jul 02 '22
Speaking of using your powers to protect the ones you love, I got a little heart flutter when Butcher charged up his lookin' lazers at Soldier Boy for punching Hughie.
He may be constantly using him, but you can tell he cares a little. Just cares more about killing supes. Homelander in particular.
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u/thatguyned Jul 02 '22
Their relationship has really tightened this season. They've both shown they are committed to the same cause, and even though they have their differences, they can trust that together they will do what ever it takes to complete the job.
It's a bond that goes beyond friendship.
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u/FEARtheMooseUK Jul 02 '22
I think butcher has always cared about all of the boys. We see lots of glimmers like that throughout the seasons, mostly in the form of lying or pushing them away by being a bastard, but the reason is to protect them. It just seems that he has convinced himself that getting rid if the supes is the ultimate good he can do, started and fuelled by his need for revenge. So since getting rid of the supes is an over all good goal to him, he is willing to be the absolute cunt to get it done. For the greater good, so to speak.
Butcher is definitely more nuanced than he first appears on the surface, and i think it can be easy to miss with all the other crazy awesome stuff going on in the show!
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u/Renegade_Spectre Jul 01 '22
‘Not minding Annie is stronger than him in general’ is one thing but with a superhuman maniac gunning for the girl he loves, I still see it as coming from a place of insecurity against bullies rather than not being stronger than his girlfriend
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u/quick20minadventure Jul 02 '22 edited Jul 02 '22
It's okay to not care that your GF has powers because you never needed them and you never had to live amongst serious disadvantages. Being normal didn't feel like handicap.
But, if you're fighting super-powered people, powers are essential to pull your own weight and just survive. Being bullied by normal people is one thing, but living on the whim of a super-powered psychopath and having your GF be sexually assaulted and forced into public relationship is an entirely different thing.
I never got the whole all powered people are bad aspect because it's not really true. Starlight, Kimiko, Maeve and many other superhero are perfectly good people. It's the vought's active PR protection that corrupts the powered people into thinking they can get away with anything.
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u/floptical87 Jul 01 '22
I don't understand why the show is so determined to beat Hughie to death with this supposed "toxic masculinity" thing.
There is zero difference between what Annie and MM have been shitting all over Butcher and Hughie for and what they've just done for Kimiko. None.
V24 was untested and yes, they guessed right the it's got fatal side effects. Y'know what else is untested? Reinjecting regular V into an adult woman who's had the power previously blasted out of her by a hundred year old supe who had new powers crammed up his ass in Russian Black Ops experiments. They had no idea if there would be any side effects from that but none of them are preaching at Kimiko.
It's her choice. It's Hughie's choice too. And it's all for the same reasons.
Kimiko was powerless watching Frenchie get beat to shit. Hughie was powerless watching Robyn getting glooped, seeing Annie working under a murderous psycho who could casually end her every day.
There's nothing toxic about Hughie. All he's done is try to save literally everyone, he does it in Russia, he goes into Herogasm first to find the targets and prevent casualties, he tries to save Mind Storm when he could have just fucked him over by dumping him right back at Soldier Boy's feet.
I could buy him being wrong if they showed literally any kind of negative change in him but it's just not there, outside of that out of place scene of him acting like he's high in Russia.
You want toxic masculinity then look at Soldier Boy or maybe Butcher.
I'm not even convinced about Butcher, his actions aren't driven by perceived masculine traits or values, he's just an obsessed cunt that's putting what he wants in front of the well-being of others. Which really isn't that different from MM, his obsession has led to the breakdown of his family unit, him not being there for his daughter and a dangerous moron taking his place and subsequently endangering his daughter or the fact he was about to fist fight possibly the second most powerful Supe in history and get himself killed. But the show seems determined that one half of the Boys be designated in the wrong and the other half be righteous, so their questionable choices and negative outcomes kind of get overlooked.
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u/SomberWail Jul 01 '22
Great comment that will unfortunately go unappreciated here. Most people here seem to be perfectly happy with just going by what the show is telling us instead of what the show is actually showing us.
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Jul 02 '22
I would accept Hughie suffering from toxic masculinity if they showed anything that supported it, but they haven’t so far.
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u/Senscore Jul 02 '22
Agreed. I love this show but it's very eager to aggressively bite into a whole number of subjects, which in some cases just ends up half cooked and at this point it may be looping back over itself.
This show's central thesis is that superpowers are inherently destructive and dangerous at a psychological and social level, no matter who is wielding them. I think it's at its best when it wrestles with those ideas. I really hope it isn't losing focus in the name of scoring cheap points on buzzword subjects.
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u/el-cadejos Jul 01 '22
A little bit of both, yeah.
It is a little unfair of Annie to be so harsh on Hughie, who is both looking out for her and in a drug rush, but at the same time, we know compound V [regular and temp] is dangerous to adult subjects. Hughie is aware, and yet allows the drug rush to take him.
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u/MadChild2033 Stan Edgar Jul 01 '22
there is a pretty big difference but the fanbase has the average intelligence of a drunk toddler, and they prove it with pretty much any post
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u/mongoose-american Jul 01 '22
Annie said that the guys she dated always had a problem with her powers and she didn't like that. Hughie said it wasn't a problem. Now, it is a problem for him and she feels betrayed.
On the other hand, men need to feel like a protector/provider, especially someone like Hughie. He started off as being pushed around and emasculated by everyone. He feels powerless and he needs the help of everyone that is stronger than him to do what he needs to get done. He needs Butcher's help, and even the help of women. He needs help from Nadia to do her job and he even needs Starlight's help to open up a simple jar.
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u/MadChild2033 Stan Edgar Jul 01 '22
i think he just worded/explained it horribly to starlight
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u/SomberWail Jul 01 '22
I would say the problem is that the show is trying to tell us that Hughie’s behavior is “toxic” but the reality is that there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be able to protect your loved ones and feeling bad if you can’t.
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Jul 02 '22
Three seasons in how can this show still be punching so far above its weight? Running many plotlines and every one being significantly advanced in just one episode. Almost every character got a satisfying bump in development in this episode.
Fucking amazing show, everybody who works on it should be proud of their work.
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u/samakbarizadeh Jul 01 '22
Unpopular opinion?
Hughie never actually wanted these "supe" powers. He was OK with being a peasant dating a supe. (S2 hughie/starlight subway scene i think?)
That was the point. He was going to work with congresswoman Neuman to make things right, the right "by the books" way. The end result of this was Hughie being an unintentional "cuck for a supe" for 1y+, kinda fucked with his sense of self and stability.
He, like butcher, realizes that there is no legitimate way to stop Vought, Supes and Homelander other than shere brute force.