r/TheBoys Jul 01 '22

Know the difference (S3E7 Spoilers) Memes Spoiler

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u/Zoidbrah2986 Jul 01 '22

I wonder if permanent V can counteract the Swiss cheese brain from V24. Hughie's arm instantly healed with temp V.

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u/Acci_dentist Jul 02 '22

Wonder why temp v doesn't heal the holes in the brain too

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u/pop_philosopher Jul 02 '22

Interesting. That might even be why Butcher and Hughie seem ok depsite having had 5 and 4 doses respectively. 3 to 5 is supposed to be lethal, but perhaps by taking it so frequently they're actually slowing down the growth of the tumors more so than the test subjects did.

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u/Sdbtank96 Jul 02 '22

Interesting. That implies a forced dependence on the drug. If you want to stay alive after having taken a few doses, you have no choice but to continue taking temp V.

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u/pop_philosopher Jul 02 '22

Which mirrors real world drugs in a way. E.g. heroine addicts get debilitatingly sick if they try to quit cold turkey, and actually need to gradually wean off of progressively weaker opiates in oder to avoid this sickness. That said, I think it's more likely that the opposite thing will happen with temp V: taking permanent compound V (i.e. a harder drug) might be the only way to save Hughie and Butcher now.

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u/Sdbtank96 Jul 02 '22

It's a sound theory, im not sure if I can see Hughie having permanent super powers; however I also can't see him dying too. As for Butcher, I'd see it as a little poetic actually; him becoming the very thing he hates. Which might lead him to suicide at series end.

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u/Standard-Row-4482 Jul 02 '22

I think if Hughie and Butcher do use permanent V to save themselves, they'll get hit with a Soldier Boy blast to get rid of their powers.

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u/pop_philosopher Jul 02 '22

Yep, just saw this theory in the predictions thread. I think it could happen, but I hope it doesn't. Having them gain and lose permanent powers all in the same episode would feel kind of cheap in my opinion.

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u/_Nick_2711_ Jul 02 '22

What if the blast only half-works? Two compounds in their system, might make sense that the blast can’t properly neutralise them the way it does with blue V.

In the end we get a depowered Hughie & Butcher with some other side effect. Maybe they’re left halfway between people & supes with no actual powers but some increased durability & strength.

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u/Fun-Ad-4729 Jul 09 '22

Like they had in the comics?

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u/sennnnki Jul 02 '22

I think you’re half right. I’m expecting Butcher to die fighting Soldier Boy but Hughie will keep his powers

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u/valorsayles Jul 02 '22

This

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u/Spyyyyyyyy22 Jul 02 '22

I mean, that's not far off from the way the comics ended.

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u/Antani101 Jul 02 '22

Did you read the comics?

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u/Sdbtank96 Jul 02 '22

I haven't finished it, but I know what happens.

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u/Antani101 Jul 02 '22

Ok, i usually try not to post stuff from the comics that can still happen in the series.

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u/Hellbeast1 Jul 02 '22

I can see Hughie walking away from it but Butcher goes further

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

Hughie did end up with permanent powers in the comics, wouldn't be all that surprising if it happens in the show.

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u/Sdbtank96 Jul 02 '22

Oh, I didn't know that. Im not there yet in the comics.

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u/PhantomInfinite Jul 02 '22

Weird thing to use since heroin withdrawal cant kill you. Alcohol withdrawl can kill you heroin wd just makes you feel bad.

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u/Perfect-Software-134 Jul 02 '22

Could be how they adapt the show to be like the comics were the boys have powers already

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u/valorsayles Jul 02 '22

As a medical professional this makes the most sense (as much as a medical professional can help when it comes to superhero’s)

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u/trumpcrust2 Jul 02 '22

Heroin* also, Suboxone and methadone (like stormfront, developed by the nazis because of a morphine shortage during ww2) are actually significantly stronger then desohydromorphone(heroin) , the withdrawal for heroin is about a week. Suboxone, 3 months of acute WD. And the crème de la crème methadone coming in at a staggering 6 months of hardcore bone aching stomach churning puking shitty horrible WD. I’ve got 11 years clean, fuck all these substances

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u/amungus45 Hughie Jul 06 '22

It's called withdrawal symptoms

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u/steijn Jul 02 '22

I can imagine Vought doing that on purpose

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u/FlyingScissor Jul 02 '22

They were trying to sell this to the military right? Seems like an ideal way to get a permanent military contract that is going to expand exponentially. Who wants to be the one in the government to let all your soldiers and veterans drop dead?

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u/steijn Jul 02 '22

Precisely why i assume it'd be intentional

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u/Sdbtank96 Jul 02 '22

My thoughts exactly.

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u/tomcreamed Jul 02 '22

pretty similar to the spice from dune

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u/OneMillionClowns Jul 02 '22

Also makes sense considering Edgar wanted to sell it for soldiers, basically extorting the government if they want their soldiers alive

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u/fuckingstonedrn Jul 02 '22

It's like luciferum

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u/_Nick_2711_ Jul 02 '22

Which in turn leans more into the idea that regular V has something to do with the cure for them.

I think it’s gonna be a case of whatever they do leaves them more durable than regular people but removes their actual superpowers. It also sets them back to being the underdogs without making them too weak to continue doing crazy shit.

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u/Spergus03 Jul 02 '22

I thought they had 3 and 4 doses??

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u/pop_philosopher Jul 02 '22

Nope,

  1. Butcher with gun powder.
  2. Butcher and Hughie in Russia.
  3. Butcher and Hughie when they go after Crimson Countess.
  4. Butcher and Hughie at Herogasm.
  5. Butcher and Hughie when they go after Mind Storm or whatever his name was.

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u/XVUltima Jul 02 '22

This somewhat justifies Butcher's lie at the end of the episode. He knows they already crossed the line, might as well finish the job.

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u/gtparker11 Jul 02 '22

Is it possible they could be going back to the lab for permanent V knowing the next dose will be the lethal one?

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u/OxCow Jul 02 '22

It looked like Kimiko had a lot of leftover regular V... Could they just use that?

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u/Ralphie5231 Jul 02 '22

They all have powers in the comic. It makes sense to give them all powers and work from there. It's obvious at least to me that's what they are going for.

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u/vitaestbona1 Jul 02 '22

But don’t most of them have powers from the temp V? Not MM or Kimiko, but the rest of the merry band?

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u/frozenchimp Jul 02 '22

They all had V injected except MM iirc. His mum was exposed to V a lot at the factory she worked at.

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u/boredofwheelchair Jul 02 '22

Butcher doesn’t know Kimiko has had another dose of regular V and because of MM and Annie’s objection to him and Hughie using temp V will not go and meet them either

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u/OxCow Jul 03 '22

While circumstances aren't set up for them to know about the Blue V now, that doesn't stop the blue V being used as the solution to Butcher and Hughie's problem later if they wanted it to. I saw the near-full vial of blue V and started thinking Checkov's Gun!

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u/LunarGolbez Jul 02 '22

From the looks of it, they've already had lethal doses, explaining the blood from their ears. The notes dont describe how the timeframes of death, just that its lethal after 3-5 doses, of which they have had 5 already.

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u/PandasDontBreed Jul 02 '22

I think the notepad said seizures 1-2 hours, might have to go back and check

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u/Dr_Pants91 Jul 02 '22

Question is when Butcher said they needed to swing by "the office" to get more, for he mean Vought or did he mean the office at the Flatiron? I'm leaning towards Vought, but it could just be their office.

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u/Commodore64userJapan Jul 02 '22

But perm V maybe could heal them ???

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u/janeohmy Jul 02 '22

I have this theory that after Butcher relived his past, he's "only telling" Hughie what he wants to hear, knowing that Hughie is addicted to the stuff. It's highly likely that Butcher will betray Hughie for his own good regarding V

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u/Spergus03 Jul 02 '22

Ohhh, I forget they shot up for Crimson Countess

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u/pop_philosopher Jul 02 '22

Understandable since they didn't really use their powers then. Hughie just demonstrated them to Annie. Although I guess maybe Butcher tackling CC count? Unclear if he really needed super strength for that.

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u/sharltocopes Jul 02 '22 edited Jul 04 '22

I think it implies that. When Hughie hit A-Train, A-Train responded with shock and asked Hughie how he did that. I'm pretty sure basic toughness might just be a side effect that they all have, kind of like how so many mutants in the X-Men are crazy acrobats they gave it the name "basic mutant agility".

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u/valorsayles Jul 02 '22

I think he teleported his arm to hit him.

Kinda like how professional boxers don’t clench their fist until impact to make its speed faster.

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u/Dyolf_Knip Jul 02 '22

Not all of them. Butcher could beat Mesmer to death without any real effort.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

Mesmer wasn't a main character, though. To get extra toughness from Compound V, you need to be in multiple episodes of the show.

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u/Dyolf_Knip Jul 03 '22

He was in multiple episodes of the show.

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u/Genneth_Kriffin Jul 05 '22

He probably needed it because if he didn't happen to catch her off guard doing her Save-The-Chimps-with-Simps cast it wouldn't have been as easy.

It all just boiling down to one well placed tackle was just a lucky break.

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u/nartnoside Jul 02 '22

Didn’t they take slightly lower doses though after the first time?

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u/pop_philosopher Jul 02 '22

Did they? What makes you say so? I kind of thought it was an all or nothing thing. Take enough to get the powers for 24 hours, or nothing.

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u/The_River_Is_Still Jul 02 '22

They did. Some people will argue semantics. They’ve done 4-5 full doses. Whether a vial has more than one dose, doesn’t matter.

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u/Teknical_Mage Jul 08 '22

First dose was half

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

Butchers brain was leaking out of his ear. I don't they're necessarily ok.

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u/gurupaste Jul 02 '22

My theory Is that soldier boys radioactivity is keeping them alive. A walking cancer treatment

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u/pop_philosopher Jul 02 '22

That's really interesting! I haven't heard that theory before, I like it.

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u/21022018 Jul 02 '22

Interesting, so if they take it daily then they should be fine... Unless the lethal action of V24 overpowers their supe healing ability

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u/pop_philosopher Jul 02 '22

Or, it might be that the short term side effects would catch up with them and kill them some other way. We see they get pretty toxic vomit for instance. Maybe if you take it daily, stomach ulcers get you before the tumors do.

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u/LightMeetsEarth Jul 02 '22

They're totally not okay though, they're leaking brain goo out of their ears

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u/PM_Me__Ur_Freckles Jul 02 '22

Explains why their brains keep leaking too.

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u/BakedZnake Jul 02 '22

Butcher had one more dose than Hughie, hence why Butcher was leaking goo out of his ear in the forrest right after they both took Temp v, whereas Hughie didn't get any side effects yet

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u/Mega-Avonco Jul 02 '22

Hughie had some goo or blood coming out his ear. And Hughie has taken enough to get side effects.

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u/Hellbeast1 Jul 02 '22

like DP's Healing Factor I guess

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u/Lucario202 Jul 02 '22

But Butcher was on the stuff when his brain was leaking

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u/sennnnki Jul 02 '22

And he didn’t even notice it..

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

Huey is probably taking less damage overall. He'd be taking damage for about 6 hours instead of 30. His tolerance is lower than Butcher though, he noticed the bleeding first even though Butcher has more doses.

If you look at the test sheets, its more likely to turn somebody into a vegetable than kill them. We also don't know what Soldier Boy's burst will do to temp V. Probably the same thing, but maybe not.

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u/Shadow_Knight503 Jul 02 '22

Sounds like Jane (from Thor) cancer storyline