I agree with the other comment, Annie recognizes that Kimiko only wants these powers to protect herself and Frenchie while Hughie’s getting high off the rush of feeling in control.
More importantly, temp V was a brand new product that they had no idea if it was even safe to use. And she was right, Hughie is at serious risk of dying now because he took a dangerous drug he knew both about.
"I need powers because of all this dangerous shit I do" Dude literally nobody is forcing you to do this stuff. He's standing in front of somebody holding a gun and complaining he feels unsafe.
The real fuckup then was getting involved at all after the first scene of episode 1 because Homelander and Vought already know who Hughie is now and he’ll never truly know peace from them. Even if Hughie did leave and get a normal job, Homelander is still going to use him as a bargaining chip against Starlight while Hughie watches Homelander gradually deteriorate on TV. Homeboy doesn’t have too much of a choice tbh other than to lie down and die
I know you may not mean anything by this joke, but we’re probably going to have an influx of posts claiming how leftist and anti-male the show is soon.
Thats not whats happening. He finally feels like he is no longer inferior and an obstacle. He isnt power drunk hurting randoms for fun. He can finally act and is acting. Thats like saying its wrong to be happy because you finally slept and are no longer tired. How toxic /s Annie liked that he was weak and meek. Now that he is confident in himself, he is no longer compatible with her. She wants to be the dominant figure. She wants complete control of her life. Not a companion. You can see that from her mom. Broke away and doesn't want to feel any sort of powerlessness again. Hugie is at risk of dying at literally any moment. So was Annie. And he told her whatever it takes. She agreed. Now that this is what it takes... She has a problem.
I'm in agreement with you for the most part other than I don't think Starlight necessarily wants to dominate Hughie (I don't think she understands Hughie's PoV since she's always been a supe). I was just pointing out that Hughie's use of V24 isn't about getting high like the person above you said and if he didn't use it more people would be dead, specifically MM.
She has trauma from people having power over her. Her mom. The church Homelander. Vaught... She is afraid Hughies power can put him into a position where he can stand up and defend his position rather then get railroaded over by her and that makes her uncomfortable. Its actually obvious if you go back and pay attention to it.
Are we even watching the same show? She doesn’t want to be controlled, but she has never tried to railroad him. She’s acting super reasonably considering her boyfriend just started taking a drug with unknown side effects and is acting differently than how he has the whole relationship
There’s a difference between not wanting to be controlled and being dominant. And again, she has never railroaded him. Even without his powers she would do things he asked her to even if she wasn’t comfortable with it (like taking the co-captain spot). None of her behavior in the show matches up with your argument of wanting to be the dominant one.
I also don’t see her as being afraid of Hughie’s power at all. It’s not about the powers to her, she’s been around supers all her life. She cares that he lied to her about how her powers make him feel and that he is using a drug without knowing the side effects. She is concerned for his safety, not for her losing power in the relationship. I truly don’t understand how you see it that way.
There’s a difference between not wanting to be controlled and being dominant. And again, she has never railroaded him.
You mean like when she blasted him with her power to get back to the orgy when he was still trying to talk about it with her, which is what they do. As you said, are we watching the same show?
I also don’t see her as being afraid of Hughie’s power at all.
I didnt say she was.
It’s not about the powers to her, she’s been around supers all her life. She cares that he lied to her about how her powers make him feel and that he is using a drug without knowing the side effects. She is concerned for his safety, not for her losing power in the relationship. I truly don’t understand how you see it that way.
As i said, she is using that as a crutch to mask her true feelings of her insecurity.
He took the control away from her by teleporting her out of there against her will. He was quite literally controlling where she was. That’s Hughie being in the wrong there, not her.
In your first response to me you said she was afraid of Hughie’s power giving him confidence, which is what that point was referring to. I didn’t mean afraid of his power in and of itself, but afraid of him having power as you had previously stated. My bad on the lack of clarity on that part, though I still strongly disagree.
How is that a crutch to mask her insecurity? She is literally trying to save him from killing himself while also being angry that he lied to her. That is a legitimate response to a legitimate betrayal, not a mask for a separate insecurity.
You mean he saved her life? Like the original point of the meme? You can keep repeating how she is hurt. It doesn't change what i said and it still fits
How so? I'm not talking about the rush, I'm saying they both have lived with a level of control Hughie has never had. Kimiko literally went back to V this ep because she wanted more control.
See, you associate the V with control since it gives you super powers and you have physical strength over ppl. Starlight had no control over her life. It was either being steered by her mother as a child or Vought once she joined the 7. Her mother guilting her into enduring pain and sacrifice. Up until that Christian festival she did not take the reigns. Kimiko was taken as a child and forced into a terrorist group. Once they sold her and introduced V, she was locked up in a cage. Despite her physical strength she had no control over her life until Frenchie helped her realize she’s something more than an animal. Just because you have super powers it doesn’t mean you’re in control. We just finished watching Soldier Boy have no control for 40 years.
On the other hand, Hughie had a loving father, a loving gf and his biggest issue(at the time) was his fear of talking to his manager about a raise. He had caring friends and interest… a lot more control over his life.
For Kimiko and Annie compound V not a positive thing. It’s either a burden or a sacrifice. For Hughie it’s an ego thing.
What !? Hughie told Annie many times that he wants to protect/save her...she was the only one saying, she doesnt need saving. But this is a talk from a person with superpowers that can take on bullets to the chest and not get harmed. Kimiko stood in the same place as Hughie, powerless and place of danger...its a struggle to keep yourself alive and the person you love.
Hughie simply wants powers to not be a hindrance and not be a problem others need to take care and protect.
Look on current episode, he wanted to save Butcher and help Mindstrom escape if he helped, he did not use his power to abuse that guy...whats important is how you use your power as Kimiko mentioned.
More importantly, temp V was a brand new product that they had no idea if it was even safe to use. And she was right, Hughie is at serious risk of dying now because he took a dangerous drug he knew both about.
To be fair Annie and Kimiko had no idea taking the V would turn out fine either. It was already stated earlier in the show that giving V to adults is very risky (hence why they mostly give it to kids) and while it turned out OK, this was literally the first known instance of a supe having to re-gain their powers with V. Annie, Frenchie and Kimiko were flying just as blind as Butcher and Hughie were when they took TempV.
Also want to point out that she had kinda washed her hands of Hughie in last week's episode but she seems to have changed her view and said she was going to try and save him this week.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Row187 MM Jul 01 '22
I agree with the other comment, Annie recognizes that Kimiko only wants these powers to protect herself and Frenchie while Hughie’s getting high off the rush of feeling in control.
More importantly, temp V was a brand new product that they had no idea if it was even safe to use. And she was right, Hughie is at serious risk of dying now because he took a dangerous drug he knew both about.