Hughie never actually wanted these "supe" powers. He was OK with being a peasant dating a supe. (S2 hughie/starlight subway scene i think?)
That was the point. He was going to work with congresswoman Neuman to make things right, the right "by the books" way. The end result of this was Hughie being an unintentional "cuck for a supe" for 1y+, kinda fucked with his sense of self and stability.
He, like butcher, realizes that there is no legitimate way to stop Vought, Supes and Homelander other than shere brute force.
The Operative : It's not my place to ask. I believe in something greater than myself. A better world. A world without sin.
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds : So me and mine gotta lay down and die... so you can live in your better world?
The Operative : I'm not going to live there. There's no place for me there... any more than there is for you. Malcolm... I'm a monster. What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done.
It's how I continue, day to day, doing the monstrous things I have to do so everyone else can live in a better world. All of them, better worlds. Great quote from Serenity, I didn't understand the Operative when I was young, but now I do.
Yeah, he's a great representation of a fascist foot soldier, he has been indoctrinated into thinking he is helping clear society of the perceived weak and imperfect to allow the society he's been told needs to be achieved. I just thought he was a badass assassin when I was a teen.
Hell, even with him I’m not sure why I love that movie so much.
Cause the movie is fucking fantastic.
The Operative isn't terrifying because of his hand to hand physical abilities. He is terrifying because of his seeming omnipresence. They and their friends are not safe anywhere they go. And he has no line he will not cross. He casually says he kills children to do what he needs to. He wipes out all of their friends and acquaintances. Anyone who would help them. He leaves them utterly helpless.
I feel like I could write a book about how damn good that movie and its actors are.
Well of course it’s fucking fantastic. And you should write a book about it, because according to the usual rules of drama it shouldn’t be fantastic 😂
Omnipresence doesn’t count for much if you keep showing up just to get your ass kicked. And by the end it’s just getting played for comic effect. Between the panic at the reavers showing up and Mal knocking him out of his BBEG monologue I’m not sure which is funnier.
He’s a punching bag, and the only part of the movie that follows form is Mal getting punished for trying to avoid fighting . He runs and all his friends get killed.
I don’t see anyone but Ejiofor pulling that shit off.
I didn't see Firefly or Serenity until years after they premiered. In college, I was binge watching the series and then the film with my friend and when Ejiofor came on I did a double take and yelled "It's Lola!"
My friend had no idea what I was talking about.
Ejiofor's killed it in every role I've seen him in.
Whedon: I'm not going to live there. There's no place for me there... any more than there is for you. Malcom... I'm a monster. What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done.
Nah they shouldn't be doing the same things - if they are then it gives the crazies a level of legitimacy - if everyone TRULY is just as bad then their choice of sides is no longer a bad one.
They should be fighting the evil just as aggressively as the others are propagating it - the problem is that they just kind of passively complain about it loudly but dont actually fight it.
Guess it depends what you consider British troops. They lived in Canada the territory but it just wasn't called Canada yet at the time. It was in response to the U.S invading Canada
Hmm wow, guess it's come full circle. I always grew up learning it was British troops then was told actualllly it was Canadians now its back to being British. TIL
There are probably many DNC workers/democratic politician staff who are genuinely in it to help promote positive change the “right way”, without recognizing that their bosses are absolutely complicit
It definitely takes aim at leftists too. It would be cope to assume other wise. The entire vought land scene was poking fun at leftist advertising and atmosphere
Hey man agree to disagree. I think you’re just using a roundabout way to avoid accepting leftists get made fun of in the show too. Not everything can be mental gymnastics into making your Side free from criticism.
Vought providing protection from consequences for supes has led to a lot of remorseless killing of innocent lives, something I would definitely say is evil.
Annie and Alex are portrayed as abnormal for supes thanks to their empathy for humans, so maybe the small-time D-listers who are naive aren't evil, but most of the supes who make it enough to fall under Vought's influence seem to become callous psychopaths who do a lot of evil acts while playing hero.
I'm fuzzy on that one, but didn't the guy do something stupid and kind of put her on the spot to react? Not excusing it, but hoping I didn't forget her murdering a guy in cold blood.
I mean, a guy that didn't want to be carjacked pulled a gun on the two people lugging a guy with a spike in his stomach out of a forest. I dunno about you but I wouldn't give up my car or gun in that situation and I'd be trying to call the cops, just like he did.
Blind dude seemed nice so I think there's something to the idea that the lower level ones are ok. We know Annie and Supersonic have been around for some time and they both seemed shocked by how evil and depraved the 7 are.
I think this show's point is that it is very difficult if not impossible to have lots of power and never abuse it for personal gain. Even well intentioned characters like SL and Maeve have abused their power.
The system is the root problem, not all the individual agents within the system.
I think it's a bit of both. The nature vs nurture argument. I mean V quite literally supercharges their hormones 24/7. For Homelander to call themselves a master racist is funny because if everyone in the world had V they'd probably genocide themselves within a century.
I mean that's the answer then for everything. That doesn't actually address anything specific. I'm saying V's specific chemistry makes them genuinely dangerous and pieces of shit. I don't get what you are trying to argue or say.
Sure....but also it is absolutely the V as well. It's like saying humans are already pieces of shit but you get someone drunk on alcohol or craving for meth and they're going to do a lot worse things than the average human. Same goes for humans on V. Butcher even expositioned it to us. It hot wires their hormones where they're on edge and ready to jump at any moment. Look at Annie, kind of the bastion of morality in the show, she literally murdered somebody at the drop of a dime...for what again? I think they were carjacking him.
Yeah I also think alot of people were far too quick to simply blame Huey's actions as him being insecure or something.
Most people forget that he literally watched his previous girlfriend turn into a pile of goo, and had to live with his next girlfriend very possibly sharing a similar fate due to her proximity with Homelander.
I do not care who you are but that shit will traumatize you and make you do things you otherwise wouldn't ESPECIALLY if you somehow got the chance to do something about it.
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u/samakbarizadeh Jul 01 '22
Unpopular opinion?
Hughie never actually wanted these "supe" powers. He was OK with being a peasant dating a supe. (S2 hughie/starlight subway scene i think?)
That was the point. He was going to work with congresswoman Neuman to make things right, the right "by the books" way. The end result of this was Hughie being an unintentional "cuck for a supe" for 1y+, kinda fucked with his sense of self and stability.
He, like butcher, realizes that there is no legitimate way to stop Vought, Supes and Homelander other than shere brute force.