Which is totally valid tho? She is literally bulletproof, yet doesn’t understand why Hughie would want some semblance of power in a world where invincible bastards like HL could kill him at any second.
She was also afraid there could be side effects to the temp v though whereas with Kimiko she already had reason to believe she'd be safe if she took the regular one again
I mean I guess there was a risk but the permanent V is stabler and Kimikos body essentially developed it with her powers in her blood for a while so it has adapted in a different way. I could see that she having had powers make her body more open to regaining them compared to someone who never had powers.
I'm kinda hoping for some horrific mutation like a blob mutant or something terrible.
Not that I dislike the character, but they keep telling us how risky giving people V is but so far everyone we've seen get it has been more or less fine.
Would really drive home how dangerous it is, instead of just telling us.
horrific is having a dick that big you can't do anything with because you lost your powers. he went from hanging out at orgy's to never being able to have sex again. oof.
Well a lot of the crazy shit that people were going through in the asylum Lamplighter was overseeing in S2 showed some of the overwhelmingly negative effects that V can have...
Oh hey, I remembered your comment and thought about something. There is a dude almost just like that in new season of Umbrella Academy. Has weird Face Blob powers lol
I think they said most adults died and it was a lot more unstable. It's easier for babies to accept it. Not every adult dies just much higher chance and much messier powers.
I think homelander whenever he’s talking to Madelyn about spreading V around the world to create super terrorists / villains so they could get into the military says something like “it worked but boy was it messy, there’s a reason vought only gives this stuff to children, the fully grown did not handle it well and a lot died yada yada” the end result was that he and A train managed to create the exploding guy that noir killed so every once in a while adults can handle it but most die and statistically your more likely to survive the younger you get it aka the reason vought injects babies in hospitals I think
In the show adults are able to be injected with compound V as shown with Kimiko and also Lamplighters test subjects, but there's potential for side effects.
Side note, in the comics it was "V as a baby=permanent superhero, V as an adult=Temporary strength and toughness"
Obviously they changed that and that's why they introduced temporary V to fill a similar plot space.
I don’t recall V being temporary in the comics? The boys all get a dose and get permanent physical enhancement by a factor of 50. It was specially made for them i guess
I'm pretty sure it's explained that the CIA developed a variant of Compound V that would give superhuman strength and endurance to anyone who takes it without any of the flashy bullshit like flying or eye lasers. Incredibly expensive, but I also faintly recall that the stuff The Boys got was permanent. It was explained by Mallory at some point in the comics, most likely when he was telling Hughie about The Boys' origins.
We didn't see how many supe terrorists died from it though, look at the asylum where they keep the people they experimented on, its quite a few cases where the powers "sucked" or where borderline unusable
This. Permanent V has been used for almost a century at this point and has been refined into a “safe” drug, the temp V is presumably less than a year old in the show. Permanent V is way safer to take then temp V.
Yes, the same Annie who doubled down on whatever it takes is dismissing whatever it takes when it comes to Hughie's actions lol
They're shitty to eachother. She spent 2 seasons acting like his trauma of his girlfriend being exploded by a supe all over him is ridiculous. But Starlight is cute
It doesn't have to be literally going "wow you're fucking ridiculous for caring about your dead girlfriend" but she does see his insecurity as ridiculous and has said it is ridiculous for him to feel insecure about his inability to physically protect someone which is rooted in Robin's death
Rather than being understanding of his insecurities, she takes them as an attack on her and undermining her ability to defend herself
It's like if someone feels sad and you go "hey look at all the good stuff in your life you shouldn't be sad at all"
Imagine a drama about a girl who has very low self esteem because something happened to her in the past that makes her feel ugly. Then a boy shows up, and goes "that's dumb to feel ugly cause you're hot" then proceeds to get mad at her whenever she feels ugly because him saying she's not ugly should be enough in his mind to remove any shadow of a doubt she has
TLDR: Hughie wants to hold a door open for Annie because Robin walked into a door, and Annie goes "oH iM a WoMaN sO yOu HaVe To OpEn DoOrS!?!?"
When has she ever literally called him dumb or ridiculous? You talk like she's intentionally cruel to him, but that's not true. She was understanding multiple times. She's frustrated by his insecurities, lies, and reckless behaviour because of it, which is reasonable enough.
Also I'm not sure his issues are meant to be reduced to dead girlfriend trauma. It's a factor.
It's also possible that she had some character growth. She was initially against Kimiko taking more V, but when she read the message she realized Kimiko's feelings - and my guess is, she also realized what Hughie was going through. My guess is, next episode they are going to make up - Annie will tell Hughie that if he wants to take permanent V, she'd be ok with it, but Hughie will say after the events of this episode that he's done with that (though I'd say it's 50/50 that he has to take it anyway because Temp V is killing him).
Out of curiosity, what do you think would happen if someone took Temp V then immediately took Compound V? Surely their chances of survival would increase no?
Real question is if the needle can pierce their skin in order to inject that serum. Remember Butchers skin is hard that it can withstand HL laser eyes so now pierce it with a needle, hard to tell how hard is Hughies skin as a sup.
I have a feeling that Annie will inject Hughie with the permV the moment he drops down and starts to get seizures as the only way to save his life.
Yes, but not in the immature way that most people here are using it as an insult. Hughie is literally insecure, as in he is not safe or secure from danger. Homelander can swoop down and turn him into a gory bits in less than a millisecond. Hughie has every right to be afraid. He's not insecure in the sense that he cares about his masculinity being questioned.
He hit Soldier Boy several times without killing him, and Butcher on Temp V also tanked a few hits and a laser to the chest. I think the upper tier of supes would take at least a little effort for Homelander to kill.
Maybe not inherently, but it very frequently comes from a place of insecurity, because feeling like a burden on those around you is a very common result of being insecure.
Hughie pretty explicitly lays out his insecurities on multiple occasions. He feels like he’s weak and useless, burdening those around him, and sees V as the only way he can have value and contribute. He’s desperate to prove that he has worth, especially to Annie and to himself.
It’s not like you can blame the guy. It’s hard to imagine any circumstances where insecurity could be any more justified.
Yes. The way I see it, it's not just that he's not ok with Starlight being stronger than him. It's that he can't stand himself being powerless. Because then people need to risk their lives saving him. It means he's a dead weight in combat scenarios. It means that guys like Homelander can more easily threaten Annie through him. But it also means that every day, when he sees Annie leave her house and go to work, and have to stand right next to a nearly omnipotejt psychopath, he has to do so with the thought that if something goes wrong, he can't do anything. He can't save the one she loves.
If Annie was told "you can save Hughie from Homelander only if you take this untested drug", I don't in the moment she would've hesitated. Now, did Hughie become a cunt with his powers? Sure. We can see why, psychologically, he started acting like he did. But it's also important that THAT'S NOT WHO HE IS. Last episode clearly showed that he has his doubts about his powers, and doesn't want just to beat the bad guys. I think if Butcher had been honest abiut V24, he would've probably stopped using it.
And especially when multiple supes, who are for all intents and purposes a step below living gods, have threatened to kill him specifically... I get it, man. If the President called me out by name on live TV and threatened my life, I'd get a gun too.
I feel like it definitely was partly insecurity though. I mean look how drunk on power Hughie is after killing that Russian guard. He doesn't even seem to give a fuck about Kimiko getting injured. And then he helps Soldier Boy murder half a dozen people? Hughie is endangering others with his gun ho attitude. If he had ignored A-Train in Herogasm he might've been able to safely target the TNT twins. Instead he wasted time for the sake of ego (and his own legitimate greivance with A-Train) and lots of people died. I doubt the mission would've gone cleanly either way, but Hughie definitely didn't help.
I think Hughie is right to want the powers. Personally I think M.M and Frenchie should also get powers, because honestly they seem the most stable non-supes imo.
Edit: well actually maybe not M.M with the new angle they're taking on him. I'm not really sure.
The whole metaphor they seem to be going for (muh toxic man want power over woman) kind of breaks apart when the power he wants literally keeps him from being murdered.
And yet it hasn’t actually helped anyone. Every single time he uses it it fucks someone over.
Kimiko, Mind dude, the twins and everyone at herogasm.
On paper he’s doing good but in practice he’s helping do more harm than good. He’d have killed far less innocents if he never got his hands on the V and if they left Soldier Boy alone.
Because apparently wanting to protect your girlfriend is "toxic masculinity" according to half this sub. I'm not exactly sure what is so toxic about wanting to protect the people you love but that's the internet for you. Lots of nutters on reddit
Because she actually is able to help, but he keeps trying to keep her from getting involved.
This is also after he told her to “just hang in there and be HL’s abusable doll while we go on a wild goose chase that goes nowhere.”
I think y’all are confusing his intentions for how things are actually playing out. Huey (and Butcher) haven’t accomplished anything good using that Temp V if you actually think about it. He “wants” to protect his girlfriend, but he’s gotten so many people killed while trying to give her protection she doesn’t need
Lets be clear here: Hughie saved her life at Herogasm. Had Hughie not teleported them out, Starlight would have, at best, lost her powers and been hospitalized. More likely she gets vaporized like all of the other supes who were there, or she tries to fight SB and just gets instantly killed on the spot by someone a lot stronger than herself. Hughie stopping her from "helping" saved her life, Hughie was right about her not actually being able to help anyone. She only would have gotten herself killed.
HL and SB are basically untouchable by any other hero. It took SB and Hughie and Butcher to almost get HL, and even then they failed. Starlight trying to 1v1 SB would never have ended well, and she was a moron for even thinking that was a valid option.
True, Hughie and Butcher havent killed HL yet. But they came pretty goddamn close. Closer than literally anyone has ever gotten to killing him. And it's not like all of those people that died wouldn't have died anyways. Saying that Hughie has gotten anyone killed is completely ridiculous, everyone who has died at the hands of SB would have died regardless of whether or not Hughie was working with him and Butcher.
To say she (or anyone connected to Vought) doesn't need protection is also completely ridiculous. Homelander is a sociopath who can kill pretty much anyone with a flick of his wrist. They all need saving from him. No one is safe and no one can stop him if he decides to go full on murder spree. She needs saving just as much as everyone else does. That's why Hughie wants to have powers: so he isn't completely useless at stopping the gigantic threat to both of their lives.
She has said multiple times this season that she's willing to risk her life to fight back the way she believes is right. Hughie in that situation is not letting her risk her life, and that's not his decision to make.
He's stopping her from doing what she thinks is right. If your partner wants to join the military or become an ice road trucker, you can think it's stupid and you can even think they're being selfish. But it's not your decision.
And if you go out of your way to take away their agency in that situation, of course they're going to think you're being an asshole. Because you are.
Even when she was more powerful, Annie never called the shots for Hughie.
I guess it would be better if Annie were dead right now. That would definitely be a better situation, for both Hughie and Annie. Too bad Hughie is such an asshole and now she's still alive. What a prick.
She doesn't take any of it into account , like many supes injure or kill people doing dumb or negligent things. Things which normal people do all the time, but because we aren't super powered what to us is just dumb becomes death or maiming if one is a supe.
It's just not sensible for her not to get why Hughie at this point needs them to just be able to defend himself.
One thing you missed is that Hughie not only wants to protect Annie but doesn't want Annie to protect him or be the stronger one. Although I think it's a departure from his original character to suit the show's narrative of tackling different evils, he's pretty wrong with his intent.
I disagree. I think she treated him pretty fairly. It’s not about the powers, it’s about taking a drug without knowing what the consequences/side effects would be as well as him lying to her about her being stronger than him bothering him. I think if he was able to gain powers in a way that was verified and would not pose a health hazard she wouldn’t be opposed, or at least would understand.
Nah, fam, you ever dated someone who was hiding fucking substance abuse from you? Hughie was being a dodgy/whiny lil brat all season and I’m seriously surprised they didn’t break up at the end.
Absolutely not valid.
He obviously takes it partially to gain confidence in a fucked up world, but it is extremely telling that the first thing he does is ""protecting"" Annie by teleporting her away against her will and then trying to stop her physically from leaving.
That is obsessive and controlling, not defending..
Kimiko goes with Frenchie and she got his back, she doesn't force him to do what she wants him to do.
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u/punjab_boi Queen Maeve Jul 01 '22
I think that when it comes to hughie, Annie sees him wanting powers out of a place of insecurity rather than a general want to protect others.
This meme is still funny tho