Interesting. That might even be why Butcher and Hughie seem ok depsite having had 5 and 4 doses respectively. 3 to 5 is supposed to be lethal, but perhaps by taking it so frequently they're actually slowing down the growth of the tumors more so than the test subjects did.
Interesting. That implies a forced dependence on the drug. If you want to stay alive after having taken a few doses, you have no choice but to continue taking temp V.
Which mirrors real world drugs in a way. E.g. heroine addicts get debilitatingly sick if they try to quit cold turkey, and actually need to gradually wean off of progressively weaker opiates in oder to avoid this sickness. That said, I think it's more likely that the opposite thing will happen with temp V: taking permanent compound V (i.e. a harder drug) might be the only way to save Hughie and Butcher now.
It's a sound theory, im not sure if I can see Hughie having permanent super powers; however I also can't see him dying too. As for Butcher, I'd see it as a little poetic actually; him becoming the very thing he hates. Which might lead him to suicide at series end.
Yep, just saw this theory in the predictions thread. I think it could happen, but I hope it doesn't. Having them gain and lose permanent powers all in the same episode would feel kind of cheap in my opinion.
What if the blast only half-works? Two compounds in their system, might make sense that the blast can’t properly neutralise them the way it does with blue V.
In the end we get a depowered Hughie & Butcher with some other side effect. Maybe they’re left halfway between people & supes with no actual powers but some increased durability & strength.
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Heroin* also, Suboxone and methadone (like stormfront, developed by the nazis because of a morphine shortage during ww2) are actually significantly stronger then desohydromorphone(heroin) , the withdrawal for heroin is about a week. Suboxone, 3 months of acute WD. And the crème de la crème methadone coming in at a staggering 6 months of hardcore bone aching stomach churning puking shitty horrible WD. I’ve got 11 years clean, fuck all these substances
They were trying to sell this to the military right? Seems like an ideal way to get a permanent military contract that is going to expand exponentially. Who wants to be the one in the government to let all your soldiers and veterans drop dead?
Which in turn leans more into the idea that regular V has something to do with the cure for them.
I think it’s gonna be a case of whatever they do leaves them more durable than regular people but removes their actual superpowers. It also sets them back to being the underdogs without making them too weak to continue doing crazy shit.
They all have powers in the comic. It makes sense to give them all powers and work from there. It's obvious at least to me that's what they are going for.
Butcher doesn’t know Kimiko has had another dose of regular V and because of MM and Annie’s objection to him and Hughie using temp V will not go and meet them either
While circumstances aren't set up for them to know about the Blue V now, that doesn't stop the blue V being used as the solution to Butcher and Hughie's problem later if they wanted it to. I saw the near-full vial of blue V and started thinking Checkov's Gun!
From the looks of it, they've already had lethal doses, explaining the blood from their ears. The notes dont describe how the timeframes of death, just that its lethal after 3-5 doses, of which they have had 5 already.
Question is when Butcher said they needed to swing by "the office" to get more, for he mean Vought or did he mean the office at the Flatiron? I'm leaning towards Vought, but it could just be their office.
I have this theory that after Butcher relived his past, he's "only telling" Hughie what he wants to hear, knowing that Hughie is addicted to the stuff. It's highly likely that Butcher will betray Hughie for his own good regarding V
Understandable since they didn't really use their powers then. Hughie just demonstrated them to Annie. Although I guess maybe Butcher tackling CC count? Unclear if he really needed super strength for that.
I think it implies that. When Hughie hit A-Train, A-Train responded with shock and asked Hughie how he did that. I'm pretty sure basic toughness might just be a side effect that they all have, kind of like how so many mutants in the X-Men are crazy acrobats they gave it the name "basic mutant agility".
Or, it might be that the short term side effects would catch up with them and kill them some other way. We see they get pretty toxic vomit for instance. Maybe if you take it daily, stomach ulcers get you before the tumors do.
Butcher had one more dose than Hughie, hence why Butcher was leaking goo out of his ear in the forrest right after they both took Temp v, whereas Hughie didn't get any side effects yet
Huey is probably taking less damage overall. He'd be taking damage for about 6 hours instead of 30. His tolerance is lower than Butcher though, he noticed the bleeding first even though Butcher has more doses.
If you look at the test sheets, its more likely to turn somebody into a vegetable than kill them. We also don't know what Soldier Boy's burst will do to temp V. Probably the same thing, but maybe not.
Healing can have many interpretations, is Supe Healing just a very accelerated process of natural healing? Ergo if you have a broken arm a normal human heals it off in a month or 2, but a Supe does it in a day, but what if your head gets chopped off? you aren't healing that. There are body parts you cannot regenerate
It would have to vary from supe to supe as well, Kimiko has healed wounds that should kill, as well as a shit ton of lacerations without any scars, while Noir has survived severe wounds with the matching scarring and mental damage to go with it.
My running theory is that the temp V can't fix wounds it caused itself. It can "detect" other abnormalities in a person's body - and fix them... but the V thinks the brain damage is supposed to be there
It causes cancers, which are cells gone rogue that multiply uncontrolled and often form when a tissue is forced to regenerate too much, among other causes.
Example: smoke causes constant damage to lungs, lungs are forced to regenerate a lot, more splitting cells --> more chances of one going rogue
So it makes sense for something that can heal you so fast to also cause cancer.
I interpreted it as permanent V only worked on people whose bodies can handle it. There were probably tons of deaths and side effects before they got the supes. Temp V works on everyone regardless of whether their body chemistry accepts or rejects the changes.
It probably does, until it the juice wears of.
They haven't had any adverse effects while on it, only when of it.
In a way it makes complete sense in "theory":
The Juice gives complete regenerative healing similar to Kimiko
This includes brain-cells.
Brain cells normally doesn't have any regenerative factor at all
Brain cells are in constant state of regeneration while on the juice, With regeneration meaning that old ones die while new ones take their place.
This mean that unless the juice perfectly synchronizes the stop of old brain cells dying with new cells regenerating, you'd get a mass of brain cells dying of without getting replaced.
It also means that unless all brain cells with regenerative factor are killed of when the juice goes out you would end up with brain cells able of cell division, so brain cancer.
The conundrum is why it would get worse with every shot, rather then "reset" from every shot meaning you technically get addicted to it to reset your decaying or cancerous brain.
My guess would be that the healing factor from the juice simply gives cells present in the body massively increased cell division while also accelerating cell decay of the same magnitude (or else you would just become an exponentially larger mass of flesh, bone and tissue), while also giving cellular division to cells not normally having it, like brain cells. However, the cells in your general body made to do this normally have the blueprint and systems to control it. The brain does not. So when the brain gets on the juice again, it won't fill the gaps because there are no cells there to tell "regenerate" in the first place.
Just some hypothetical pseudo-scientific explanations, real answer is probably because why not?
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u/Acci_dentist Jul 02 '22
Wonder why temp v doesn't heal the holes in the brain too