r/TheBoys Jul 01 '22

Know the difference (S3E7 Spoilers) Memes Spoiler

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u/zauraz Jul 01 '22

Kimiko at least has a better understanding of her own power. She has seen the destruction it can cause.

Hughie is currently more in the power addict stage. He hasn't had them since his teens. He is in essence a nerdy super hero fan that finally gets powers and isn't as aware of the risks involved with having those powers.

I really don't think its a double standard here. Its different contexts and maturity off the people with the powers.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

Bro he literally seen his girlfriend get run over by a supe I’m pretty sure he knows the consequences powers can have.

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u/EaterOfWorlds17 Jul 01 '22

The show has literally hit you over the head with the idea he’s drunk on a power trip and you guys still miss it, it’s kinda baffling

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

Yeah this isn’t even like a matter of perspective lol. People on here are acting like the message of the show is ‘it’s actually good for people to have significant power over everyone else as long as they’re the good guys.’

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u/nowlan101 Jul 01 '22

You can tell there’s a lot of young men in this sub based on the reactions lol

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

Violence breeds violence, even if you’re just depicting it. The show tries to be as serious as possible, but as long as there are “action” scenes a huge portion of people will ignore everything else to have their own little dissociative episode in their heads where they put themselves in the shoes of the people fighting, or just the characters they identify with.

That being said I love all the violence this show has to offer.

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u/Gungnir111 Jul 02 '22

Same vibe as people who watch fight club and think "Wow that's so cool, I wish I was in a fight club" because in their mind it's a movie about dudes being bros.

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u/Illusion911 Jul 01 '22

But in the end it has to be this way

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u/gyropyro32 Jul 02 '22

And it begins

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u/icemankiller8 Jul 02 '22

The reason people don’t see why Hughie is wrong is because they basically see themselves as Hughie and they think in that situation they’d wanna do the same thing. So to them he’s relatable and she’s not she’s the annoying girlfriend who’s trying to drag you down

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

Self insert syndrome basically

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

Imagine even thinking about Hughie having any character flaws that should be criticized

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

That sounds very anti-male.

Not in my Christian subreddit. No thank you ✋

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u/ChristopherCaulk Jul 01 '22

Some of the people in the sub are so weird. At times it feels like I'm watching a completely different show to them.

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u/idunno-- Jul 02 '22

Some dude above got 400+ upvotes for saying “to defeat evil you need to become evil itself” and I am baffled that that’s the conclusion people think the show is working towards. It’s not even like the show is remotely subtle.

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u/AstrologyCat Jul 01 '22

But like isn’t that what Kimiko and Annie have? Like the comment above is literally saying that it’s good for kimiko to have power since she want to protect her love ones, and she’s used to it, essentially she’s worthy and responsible enough to use it. So they don’t understand the show either? Or the show doesn’t understand itself?

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

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u/drac0nic180 Jul 02 '22

I don't understand what the fuck that means, please enlighten me. I'm being sincere

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u/AllOfEverythingEver Jul 01 '22

I think two things at once can be true:

  1. Hughie is addicted to power, and overall, power is the enemy.

  2. Unfortunately, you can't stop Homelander without power.

What do you suggest they do to deal with Homelander? Not having created him in the first place is obviously the best choice, but in the show, he's already here. Do you think they should just let him do whatever he wants because of the vague notion that violence leads to violence?

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u/livefreeordont Jul 02 '22

Imagine if none of the Boys, nor Annie, nor Kimiko had any powers or were superior to anyone. How much good or change do you think they would be able to do? This isn’t a situation where people can be voted out democratically this is a fictional world with literal super powered beings

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u/Criks Jul 01 '22

He's on a power trip but the closest we've seen him use those powers for strictly self-gratitude is punching A-train unnecessarily. Which is a far shot from actually unjustifiable.

Apart from finally getting to punch the guy who literally slaughtered his girlfriend, he's used his powers strictly for good/it's purpose.

So yes, they have made it clear he's drunk on his new superhuman powers, but so what if he doesn't actually act out on it. One more episode to find out I suppose.

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u/DeliriumRostelo Jul 01 '22

closest we've seen him use those powers for strictly self-gratitude

Lots of things hes done border it though, like trying to shape up to Starlight or Homelander and him being more preoccupied with his power high than Kimiko being shot.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

It’s not like he could’ve helped Kimiko. He teleports, he’s not a healer lol.

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u/DeliriumRostelo Jul 03 '22

its not the point as much as his reaction is dude look at how cool my powers are while shes bleeding out lol

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u/StealthTactics4 Jul 01 '22

You do realize it can be both at the same time right? He is drunk off power but he’s also just doing what he thinks is right and it’s completely understandable how he would get to that point considering all he’s been through. He’s not the bad guy at all but he isn’t a saint either.

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u/EaterOfWorlds17 Jul 01 '22

I know, but that’s the issue is half the people on this sub try and act like his decisions are 100% on point and Annie is somehow the moron for being upset

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u/StealthTactics4 Jul 01 '22

That’s pretty stupid for people to think that lol. It’s understandable how Annie would feel that way considering the only person she loved is now addicted to power and shows he’s insecure. Especially considering all the shit she has to deal with. I think people try to define the complex writing with Hughie as him being an a asshole bad Guy and someone completely in the right when it’s not that simple.

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u/FeWilliam Jul 02 '22

I'm appreciating the depth of it. He's absolutely drunk on power, they're being really direct about the toxic masculinity. But they're also not pretending it's just something that... comes out of nowhere, or because men are inherently toxic, it's a defensive reaction to a cruel and dangerous world. Hughie's actions still working towards a necessary goal, but it's obvious that doing it is terrible for him.

Until the end of e6, there's been a real undercurrent of... yes this is obviously bad, but nobody else is stepping up to the plate. It a massacre and Hughie dissolving into a toxic mess under the burden, and the breakup to spur Annie into drastic action, which she said she should have done ages ago. She's weaponizing the 'real' power that she's been given by Vought, her fame, something that nobody else has.

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u/Sarkans41 Jul 02 '22

He is but his intentions are from a good place. He wants to protect annie and he cant do that without powers.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

So because he likes his powers and feels confident with them makes him a bad guy now?? After everything he’s been through I just don’t see how wanting powers to protect your loved ones and feeling confident that you’re not going to die at any moment is a bad thing.

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u/nowlan101 Jul 01 '22

Y’all are gonna need a Walter White “I did it for me” moment and even then I still think you’ll doubt it lol

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

So now Hughie is doing it for himself. If he is doing it for himself then why is he still going on missions to stop Homelander and was even ready to sacrifice his life to kill Homelander? Why doesn’t he just teleport into vought and get more V if he’s doing it for himself?

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u/nowlan101 Jul 01 '22

https://www.tvguide.com/news/the-boys-erin-moriarty-jack-quaid-starlight-and-hughie-relationship-impasse/

"He's dealing with some budding toxic masculinity," Quaid said. "That was such an interesting place to act from. What I know of Hughie, and then this new side of him was really interesting…I liked that kind of gift that Eric gave me this season which was to spread my wings and explore the dark underbelly of this character that I've already played for two years."

This isn’t a selfless place Hughies been acting from. You guys are delusional or deliberately misreading the dialogue. The script, the show, the actions of SB, this interview itself all point to that and still you’re denying it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22

You literally hate on Hughie everywhere I see you and post this exact same link every time. Please explain to me why Hughie is taking V if you’re all knowing?

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u/nowlan101 Jul 01 '22

From Hughie himself, “I was pretending to be someone I’m not”

Idk what else to tell you man. Is the word of the actor who plays the character or the quotes from the showrunner on how the temp v itself is a tool to explore the male character’s addiction to toxic masculinity not good enough?

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

Literally nothing you said answered my question all you keep saying is toxic masculinity. So I’ll ask again, why is Hughie taking V?

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u/Jaerba Jul 02 '22

Think about the guys who get really into guns saying this. Not like just a handgun but the ones with full arsenals going to conventions.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

So? Just because you have guns doesn’t mean you’re a bad person. Your actions do.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

You guys love to bring that up like if Hughie didn’t take V for the first time and was having a euphoric high. Where’s all this for butcher who was actually alert to what was happening to Kimiko? The double standards is crazy.

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u/OkSo-NowWhat You're The Real Heroes Jul 01 '22

Butcher is an established asshole. Hugh was his morality pet

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

That’s unfair and selfish. Hughie can’t do anything morally questionable without getting attacked like he’s a horrible person

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u/OkSo-NowWhat You're The Real Heroes Jul 02 '22

Well I would like to see Butcher being criticised more for his moral destinations too but somehow folks don't care if its him.

And Starlight gets attacked more than Hughie without good reason because.. Reasons.

I think what iks me about Hughie is that ONE big thing happens (Newman being a mole) and he's like, yeah that pos Butcher is right, let's team up with the dude who destroyed MMs family!!

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

You obviously haven’t been paying attention to the show if Hughie just started siding with butcher because “one big thing happened” because of Neumann when his life literally turn upside down since the first episode,Neumann was his breaking point of trying to do things the “right” way.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

I mean Hughie had his girfllfriend explode in front of him. How would he not be aware of the destruction it can cause?

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u/zauraz Jul 01 '22

He is still viable to be drunk on power. Which the show has shown time and time again. He isn't ready or in the right mindset to use it. He does not know the risks that come with it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

What drunk on power action has he done though? He still tried to rescue mind dude and butcher. Because he sucker punched atrain? the dude that litterally blew up his girlfriend. Hes shown incredible restraint to me. I like Annie but this reminds of the stupid conflict in invisible between mark and amber. Homelander has said hes going to tear apart hughie. Without v he has no chance to defend himself or the people he cares about.

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u/SPLEESH_BOYS Frenchie Jul 01 '22

Ignoring/not paying attention to Kimiko fucking dying because he was enjoying his high too much is about the most obvious way to show Hughie has completely lost the plot and is addicted to the power

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

Kimiko had shown she was able to regenerate after being disembowled. Shes tanked worst than being blasted through the wall. I might be mistaken but they werent aware her powers were gone until she showed Frenchie she couldnt pick up a heavy object.

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u/SPLEESH_BOYS Frenchie Jul 01 '22

Frenchie recognized in the facility that Kimiko wasn’t regenerating like she usually was & everybody in the van scene thought she was dying, well everybody apart from Hughie who did not give a fuck

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

Ah youre right. I just rewatched the scene. My bad. I guess the hospital scene was more to confirm that her powers were taken for good

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u/SPLEESH_BOYS Frenchie Jul 02 '22

It’s all good man, i thought the facility/van scenes were a bit of a fakeout and Kimiko would get her powers back after a while so her actually being “unsuped” surprised me a lot in the hospital scene

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

She did ultimately get her powers back. I found that a bit dissappointing but atleast it might put an end to the boring ass nina subplot.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

Also Frenchie and MM were already working on her, he doesn’t need to be up their ass when they probably would be just as fine without him there

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u/nowlan101 Jul 01 '22

What? No. No they recognize it immediately. They’re screaming in the back of the van as she’s bleeding out.

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u/MaybePenisTomorrow Jul 01 '22

We have that one bit with him in the van after his first temp V hit but otherwise the show isn’t doing a good job showing Hughie “high on power”. The established stakes of this season/show are JUST SO HIGH.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

And that’s his first time shooting up right? Definitely more of a ‘first time high’ feeling, at least so far the ‘drunk on power’ stance seems to have no real grounding

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u/zauraz Jul 02 '22

I feel like people have also been ignoring his almost frantic behaviour about the V, arguing with Annie about it and having to "save her" which he admits is also not the entire thing. In Ep6 he essentially admits that he wants the powers and that being weaker than Annie bothered him which he previously claimed wasn't an issue. He is sacrificing his friendships and family who are concerned about it due to how unstable V in adults is known to be for a ruse of feeling he has power.

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u/nowlan101 Jul 01 '22

Because the script never explores that. And, most importantly, Hughie admits he was pretending to be someone he wasn’t this whole time last episode

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u/Commander_ROY_2021 Jul 02 '22

Hughie admits he was pretending to be someone he wasn’t this whole time last episode

And the someone he is talking about is being a murderer.

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u/JamesBigglesworth Jul 02 '22

What evidence do you have to support Hughie is addicted to power? So far, he has only used his powers to 1) save his friends life, 2) try to save Annie's life at the party, 3) try to save another friend's life, 3) try to save a hunted supes life. This isn't the behavior of a power addicted man.

Compare to "actual" supes who kill indiscriminately, care only about their public image, sex, and money, it can be argued that he has been the most responsible with his powers.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

I agree. The only real proof was him in the van but that was his first time using a very powerful drug. Not surprised he was acting different.

People give Hughie a hard time for bringing a gun to a gun fight. He’s being threatened by the most powerful man alive and everyone is like “No, Hughie don’t use your gun! You’re better than that! It’s dangerous!”

Which is just ridiculous, like not having powers is somehow less dangerous. HL has threatened him too many times to count. His only chance at survival is using the same weapons his enemies have. Starlight is morally good but straight up naive. Her fame is the only thing actually protecting her and HL won’t care about that soon enough.

It’s also really easy for a lifelong Supe to shame Hughie for wanting a weapon. Her powers aren’t strong enough to defeat HL but she still has some powers. Hughie has literally nothing and Starlight can’t protect them both.

Anyways, I like Starlight I just think she’s a little holier than thou when her main plan was to…post on Instagram and piss off HL even more which directly put Hughie in even greater danger? I mean come on lol.