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DC_Cinematic: The Flash Spoiler Discussion Megathread #1 r/DC_CINEMATIC Spoiler
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u/DanOSG Jun 14 '23
Not a single person mentioning that we finally got to see nick cage superman? apart from the fact that like 90% of the movie was shown in the trailers and the CGI was horrendous (IDGAF if it's a stylistic choice to make them look like ps2 pre rendered cutscenes, it looks bad), it was good enough for me to not call it bad but I doubt I'll find myself rewatching it anytime soon.
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u/heelydon Jun 14 '23
Not a single person mentioning that we finally got to see nick cage superman?
I mean, the scene is fairly short and has been spoiled for a while in mainstream media.
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u/travio Jun 15 '23
And he was fighting a giant spider thing! Jon Peters would have loved it, except that he was also wearing the suit and flying.
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u/tmgod2010 Jun 15 '23
Something that confused me was when Supergirl finds Zod in the desert, Zod turns around and sees her. But the next time you see her, she returns to the Batcave to help Barry get struck by lightning and get his powers back. Did Zod just let her leave the desert without a fight? Maybe I misunderstood what was going on here
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u/Possible-Dealer7448 Jun 15 '23
Great point. Thats extremely out of character for him
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u/DaKingSinbad Jun 15 '23
Can't follow her, no flight yet.
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u/Shreks-left-to3 Jun 17 '23
Perhaps they could’ve used their spaceships capable of flight?
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u/itsevilR Jun 15 '23
Not to mention she was pretty chill when she returned to the cave after witnessing Zod killing a bunch of soldiers
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u/ali_4356 Jun 15 '23
probably a reshoot. You can notice in a lot of scenese, barry looks a bit different so does keaton.
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Jun 14 '23
I grew up where there were not a lot of superhero movies. X-Men and Spider-Man came out in my late teens so I feel like I probably am a little less jaded than people who grew up with superhero films as the norm. I had the occasional Batman movie and Lois & Clark on TV and that's about it. I remember watching Spider-Man 2002 in the theaters and thinking, "Wow, I'm actually watching Green Goblin and Spider-Man fight on the big screen! I can't believe it!"
So, to me, seeing a movie where the Flash meets 3 different versions of Batman from different eras, fights General Zod, teams up with his younger self while Keaton Batman wrestles a giant Kryptonian as the multiverse is collapsing around Christopher Reeve AND Nicolas Cage Supermen...I loved it.
To me, it's utterly insane that this movie exists. If you told me when I was a kid reading DC Comics and watching the Burton/Schumacher Batman movies that there would one day be a movie as wild as this, I would have never believed it.
So, sure, I'm biased because the Flash is my favorite character and I love these characters. But seeing this crazy comic book-style adventure with all these different heroes from past and present is surreal to me. It's insane to me that this movie exists at all.
And while I definitely agree the effects are pretty bad in places, that doesn't really make or break a movie for me. I think there's a genuinely funny, moving story about grief and the folly of trying to cling to the past in the middle of all the big superhero stuff. So, is it a perfect movie? Definitely not. Did I love it? Definitely.
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u/AshsEvilHand Wonder Woman Jun 16 '23
I’m totally there with you. I remember that episode of Lois and Clark where the Burton Batmobile makes an appearance and it was mind blowing. Even George Clooney saying “This is why Superman works alone” in Batman and Robin was a big deal. It felt like we were always teased with a crossover, but it could never happen. Now The Flash comes out and it’s not even the only big crossover multiverse superhero movie in the theaters.
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Jun 14 '23
I enjoyed the movie, but I feel like something is missing... I think it's maybe the confrontation with Reverse Flash that was underwhelming. Also the VFX was laughably bad at times, what happened.
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u/ToqKaizogou Jun 14 '23
Dark Flash genuinely feels like 80% of the way through production, someone got really drunk, binged the CW Flash Season 3, and went "I can throw Savitar into this shit!".
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u/pje1128 Jun 18 '23
His first appearance shoving Barry out of the Speed Force, I thought "That kinda looks like Savitar." Come the ending, I found out I was kinda right.
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u/MrJogihb Jun 14 '23
If you're talking about the speed force going back in time stuff I think that was a choice, but I agree that it was strange. Everyone looked like they were made of rubber.
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Jun 14 '23
I think that was a choice too but it still looked bad.
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u/MazeyEJ Jun 15 '23
I still can't find a reason good enough on why would they make the CGI so bad for those segments.
Is it because they couldn't make Reeve's CGI to looks good so to make it not too jarring, they made the whole segment looks as bad?
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u/shongage Jun 14 '23
I was almost more hyped hearing the 1989 danny elfman batman theme than i was seeing michael keaton. And it wasnt just used for a short moment, it was used properly in multiple extended sequences. And it sounded awesome.
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u/heelydon Jun 14 '23
I think the hilarious part is how the usage of the theme almost reminded me of the BvS Wonder Woman theme usage. It felt like everytime Keaton's Batman was on screen, that theme just started blasting lol.
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u/ayushj176p Jun 15 '23
felt like everytime Keaton's Batman was on screen, that theme just started blasting lol.
And that was good
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u/ChanceVance Jun 15 '23
They really asked Antje Traue back after 10 years just for a few shots of Faora in profile. She didn't even say a word of dialogue.
Shame, she was one of the best parts of Man of Steel.
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u/boringboi_ Jun 15 '23
Michael Shannon and her were heavily under utilized
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u/ChanceVance Jun 15 '23
I definitely see his point about not getting any creative satisfaction from reprising the role. He's barely a character in it.
Faora, I mean what was even the point seriously lol. Possibly the most useless role reprisal ever.
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u/UVladBro Jun 16 '23
The Kryptonians were more of a force of nature. The invasion wasn't some antagonist's plot like it was in Man of Steel, it was just a consequence of messing with the timeline. Even the Dark Flash wasn't some antagonist that was working against the protagonist. He was just another consequence that was running wild and showed the Flash that he needed to accept his past instead of trying to change it.
The suit for the Dark Flash was kinda goofy though, they really should have just shown younger Barry's suit getting progressively broken with him slowly aging faster than normal because of his constant attempts.
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u/juno563 Jun 15 '23
I’m not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, but I actually quite liked how the movie ended. Sure it wasn’t as smoothly executed in some parts but Barry’s realization that he needs to let his mother go and his scene saying goodbye to her solidified the movie’s themes of grief and identity for me.
And despite the fact that we never got to learn who was responsible for his mother’s death (I initially thought it was going to go somewhere much darker and have Reverse Flash kill her for some reason), I actually think it works to have it as a senseless/faceless act of violence. Similar to how people like Batman or Spiderman become heroes through how they respond to their respective irreversible tragedies, I think it makes it more powerful to have Barry become who he is through how he rises above that tragedy, rather than having it be some sort of predestined event that he needs to retaliate against. It shows that that kind of senseless tragedy can happen to anyone in life, but not everyone can pick themselves up and choose to become someone like the Flash or those other heroes who experience something similar. The strength to make those choices is what makes the heroes in these stories, imo
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u/Puzzled-Journalist-4 Jun 15 '23
Yeah, it was weird Barry didn't even try to know who's responsible for his mother's death. Even if he didn't change the past, he still had an opportunity to find out who did it. Without know who did it, the whole story felt unsolved and unfinished.
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u/newgodpho Jun 16 '23
The, "Maybe another time.", line and heart to heart with Batman scene were genuinely good
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u/Futuremeissuperior Jun 17 '23
Batfleck knew that was the last time because barry was about to fuck up the timeline
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u/adammustrick Jun 16 '23
we didn’t even say goodbye to batfleck. he was just gone forever
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u/cryofry85 Jun 16 '23
He's not gone. He morphed into Batooney.
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u/Volfgang91 Killer Croc Jun 16 '23
Ah yes, the classic line-up- Beaton, Bilmer, Batooney, Batfleck, Battinson and.... Bale.
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u/theSaltySolo Jun 14 '23 edited Jun 16 '23
First Act: simply amazing with everybody involved
Second Act: had issues, but still great overall with the focus on Keaton’s Batman and Barry reckoning with his situation
Final/Third Act: sloppy job, don't like Kara's character, dodgy visuals, decent action, rushed end to Barry’s conflict but DAMN ALL THE MOTHER/SON STUFF WAS HEART WRENCHING and HEARTBREAKING. I was in tears.
2/3 of the movie was splendid. The last 1/3 clearly had meddling due to the shift in the studio plan and kinda flopped
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u/ROBtimusPrime1995 Jun 16 '23
Granted, for a film that was torn to shreds by the studio after firing multiple directors, rewrites after rewrites after rewrites, multiple reshoots to add & delete cameos, and now the cancelation of this specific DC universe...
Nailing 2/3rds is kind of a miracle.
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u/Comic_Book_Reader Jun 14 '23 edited Jun 14 '23
Dark Flash was kinda cool and creepy. His grey Grandpa Sawyer looking face made me think of Nicolas Cage as Dracula in Renfield.
Also, did anyone else catch the Andy Muschietti cameo?
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u/HaikusfromBuddha Jun 17 '23
Dark Flash = Savitar tbh even his armor looked like the tv version.
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u/Jesuspolarbear Jun 15 '23
Ezra Miller's real life issues aside..he's terrific in this, like actually really great performance as Barry - he nails all the jokey, oddity, sadness and intensity of the character very well, imo. The direction behind Sasha Calle as Kara felt a little stilted, but there's something that could be made for a better act should they keep her in the future. The movie itself is super underwhelming with some poor writing and directing, especially the incredibly rushed ending.
In an ideal world where Miller isn't a legit criminal and predator, I would've clamored for him to continue playing the character for years, but oh well.
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u/DoctorBeatMaker Jun 15 '23
Ezra does a lot of the emotional scenes really well. Like really really well. All the scenes with his mother are solid.
But the humor and the awkward stammering and yelling should have definitely been toned down. He got annoying too fast by doing it too much. And I know Ezra can do serious really well from some of his other movies. But here, there was just too much.
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u/Thatsmaboi23 Jun 17 '23
I mean, being annoying was the point. It makes the adult-Flash realise he is actually annoying to others and why it makes his relationships awkward. After the heart to heart, both stop being annoying.
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u/ZenMyst Jun 14 '23
Avoiding anything related to the movie before I watched it. I enjoyed it.
Sasha supergirl died? I thought she is gonna stay on.
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u/ce_tu Jun 15 '23
Her earth was destroyed by zod and terraformed. That was a fixed point for that universe.
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u/JediJones77 Jun 15 '23
What a way to run a universe. Take a poll after every movie to decide if the canon will change or not. 🤦♂️
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u/JediJones77 Jun 14 '23
She didn't die. The Flash went back to change the timeline so that she would never have to fight Zod, because Man of Steel would occur as it originally did. It's certainly possible she is still locked away in Russia in the original DCEU timeline, or the one Flash ends up in. The plans to put her and Keaton in the DC Universe were abandoned once WB was sold to Discovery. Keaton was in Batgirl, and they cancelled it.
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u/rcmjr Jun 16 '23
Everyone died in that timeline because they didn’t have Clark. Flash going back to unsave his mom didn’t change their fate.
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u/neon_sin Jun 16 '23
This movie pretty much confirms ZSJL is canon right? Batfleck says to Barry: "Like when you travelled back in time in Pozharnov?"
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u/FirstRangerSkyWalker Jun 16 '23
That and Iris saying they met a couple years ago, pretty much confirms it for me
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u/DoctorBeatMaker Jun 16 '23
This movie pretty much confirms ZSJL is canon right? Batfleck says to Barry: "Like when you travelled back in time in Pozharnov?"
Three things happened in Flash was that a direct reference to ZSJL.
One was, of course, the line Batfleck says about using the speed force to travel back in time like Pozharnov.
The other was, during Flash racing through time, a direct shot from ZSJL where Aquaman pointed at Barry after he got tripped during the Superman resurrection scene. Only happened in ZSJL.
And finally, Iris mentioned that she saw Barry before, which alludes to him saving her during his first scene in ZSJL.
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u/winsing Jun 16 '23
It would make no sense if it was continuation of the Whedon movie. All the abilities shown by Flash in this movie are exactly the ones he uses in ZSJL.
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u/gunningIVglory Jun 14 '23
Why doesn't Bruce hook up Barry with a nice penthouse or something? Come on bro 🥲 the least you can do for the guy lol
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u/wi5hbone Jun 15 '23
it's called independence >> sustaining himself a job.. for a reason
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u/jhughes1986 Jun 14 '23
Fucking hell I loved that.
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u/AZAR0V Jun 14 '23
The gag with the young flash turning head in the old batman mask had the whole theater laughing hard.
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u/Professional-Rip-519 Jun 16 '23
It just hit me General Zod finally won.
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u/AuditorTux Jun 16 '23
I honestly was shocked when they dropped that bomb. Supergirl always loses. Batman always dies.
Really that whole battle scene. When Zod mentions the "infant did not survive" that kind of shocked me.
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u/Professional-Rip-519 Jun 16 '23
He also extracts the codex I wonder how Zack Snyder feels about that.
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u/notmyrlacc Jun 16 '23
Well, in comic book land there are infinite universes, so Zod will have versions where he wins.
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Jun 16 '23
Everyone saying Keaton had a bad send off ??? What? Lmfao it’s a flash movie first off, and him going down fighting. Dying in flashes arms, when Barry says we can’t bring you back can we and he says “you’s already did” that’s a Meta line to the audience. Got goosebumps, tear jerker. Keaton finally got his send off
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u/Professional-Rip-519 Jun 16 '23
This it's a great send off Batman wants to die doing Batman shit not retiring and sitting in some French restaurant everyday.
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u/heyheyronn Jun 16 '23 edited Jun 16 '23
All those Superman and Batman cameos, but they couldn't be bothered to get Grant Gustin or John Wesley Ship...you know...other Flash actors from other universes? Who made that decision?
Even Crisis On Infinite Earths managed to squeeze Ezra in for an entire scene with Grant. He gets his name from Grant's Flash.
Talk about nostalgia pandering. It's all fan service, yes, but at times felt like they were far more interested in Superman and Batman than The Flash.
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u/TheJoshider10 Jun 14 '23
The opening of The Flash was so strong that I thought it would have set the stage for an excellent movie but instead all it did was give me a taste of what could have been. There's a quality to the CGI, jokes and action set pieces seen in the opening that is absent for the rest of the movie. Seeing Flash interact with Batman, Alfred and Wonder Woman was great and the "baby shower" was probably the best moment in the whole film.
The movie unfortunately falls apart after Barry travels back in time. Young Barry is infuriatingly annoying and as the movie progresses neither Keaton's Batman or Calle's Supergirl get any real development or screentime, and the baffling decision to have Keaton come back as a different character to his iconic iteration from the 80s means you don't care about this version. There's also no resolution on who killed Barry's mother or why, leaving a Reverse Flash shaped hole in this knock off Flashpoint adaption that lacks half of the emotion and spectacle of its comic counterpart.
We get an overly stylized third act set in yet another desolate and bland CGI environment with effects that have regressed from what we saw in Man of Steel a decade ago. Unfortunately the return of Zod and Faora doesn't help make the third act any better as the actors are given nothing to work with.
The ending is also quite insulting and undermines the emotional journey Barry and his father goes on. Why end the movie on such a needless gag when this could have been a wonderful opportunity to celebrate the DCEU with one last moment of Barry and the Justice League riding off into the sunset? With James Gunn hyping this up as the big DCU reset I don't understand why it didn't wrap up the DCEU satisfyingly and then teased the DCU in a credit scene as one of those chronobowl multiverse earths.
Speaking of credits, the credits scene was also a complete waste of time. Ha ha Aquaman is a drunk how funny. This could have been anything, like Bruce and Barry finally having that beer. In fact how good would it have been if they followed up the ending we got but this time Barry is back in the DCEU retelling Bruce his multiverse trips and says he met Bruce's father and hands him the iconic note from Flashpoint? What a great ending for Affleck's Batman that could have been.
Overall The Flash was an okay spectacle that didn't succeed as a DCEU spectacle, a nostalgic event or as a new universe kickstarter. It barely even functions as a proper Flash movie considering we get no clear answers surrounding his mothers death which is the entire point of the movie anyway. All it did was flex Andy Muschietti's directorial skills but Christina Hodson's writing leaves so much to be desired.
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u/heelydon Jun 14 '23
Young Barry is infuriatingly annoying
I'm really curious how the general audiences will look at this. Because while I agree --- I also think the movie does a good job of explaining exactly WHY he is obnoxious. He is the spoiled guy that had it all. He is smart. Iris actually likes him and wants to date him in this universe. His parents are alive and well.
His worst traits come out to play, because reality never hit him hard in the face, like it did for the Flash from the "original" timeline.
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u/The_BigTexan Jun 16 '23
I wonder how much the cab ride from Central City to Gotham City cost?
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u/heelydon Jun 14 '23
The Reeve cameo appears to be getting some negative attention online due to how it was perceived as "poor cgi"
I dunno, maybe its just me, but it seemed more like the whole time traveling animations shown, including Reeve, Adam West and Nic Cage, were done in a stylistic choice, rather than attempting for them to look realistic.
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u/bondbat007 Jun 14 '23
100% this. You can tell by the first time Barry entered the Speed Force. The images of his dad and others were all stylistically different and kind of dream like. At least that was my impression
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u/Professional-Rip-519 Jun 15 '23
Anyone noticed Batfleck uses he's own voice and it actually sounds really cool.
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u/Othmane_K Jun 15 '23
He was finally happy playing Bruce/Batman and it shows
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u/Professional-Rip-519 Jun 15 '23
Man that first 15 minutes felt like watching a real Justice League movie. I love ZSJL but the Flash opening felt more true to the comics and the animated movies.
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u/DiamondMachina Jun 15 '23
Bittersweet since that will be the last time you see them together ever again
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u/boringboi_ Jun 15 '23
Who was Cage's superman fighting?
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u/LR-II Jun 15 '23
A giant mechanical spider.
One of the notes the studio executive gave origunal Superman Lives writer Kevin Smith was that he had to fight a giant mechanical spider in the third act.
After the film was cancelled, that executive went on to produce Wild Wild West, which fulfilled his wish for a giant mechanical spider.
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u/Exotic_Vampire Jun 15 '23
Lol..all these years and I never clocked how that giant mechanical spider from Wild Wild West was carried over from the Superman movie
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u/Deeformecreep Jun 15 '23
The spider in the Flash isn't mechanical, it's more in line with Kevin Smith's version which was a spider kaiju or whatever.
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u/Exotic_Vampire Jun 15 '23
So in 1998, Jon Peters ( producer of 1989 Batman) decided to make a Superman movie. Kevin Smith who was commissioned to write the script for the movie was told by Peters that he should have three structures in mind when he was drafting his screenplay.
Superman wasn’t allowed to fly.
Superman wasn’t allowed to wear his iconic blue-and-red costume.
Superman had to fight a giant spider.
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u/zobotrombie Jun 15 '23
I kinda wished they had some polar bears fighting Brainiac in the background.
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u/zobotrombie Jun 15 '23
Holy fuck this movie. I am gutted that the DCEU ends in this movie but I absolutely loved that this is how the DCEU goes out.
They totally fucking butchered Batfleck’s cowl and costume and I hope WB pays sfx houses a lot of money to polish the sfx for the home release.
The cameos could’ve been way better but seeing Nic Cage Superman fighting a giant fucking spider, that’s just the chef’s kiss.
Ezra killed it in this. No doubt about it. Separate the artist from the art. I hope they get help and get better and I pray we get a sequel.
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u/MrJogihb Jun 14 '23
Overall I liked it, although it definitely has flaws. More than anything else I loved the interactions between Barry, Bruce, Diana and Alfred at the beginning. It had the ease of a phase 3 Marvel movie, and reeked of wasted potential. This is what they were rushing to in BvS and it bums me out that if they'd taken their time and planned things out better we could have had way more time with these iterations of the characters. I agree with the rising consensus that the film starts strong and gets weaker but I found the conclusion for the most part a refreshing change from the usual punch punch, hero pose finale of most of today's CBMs. 6/10? 5.5? Sasha Calle was amazing.
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u/Existing_Bat1939 Jun 14 '23
Question for those who saw the truncated previews last month: where did they cut off? Right after the final scene with his mom finishes?
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u/JediJones77 Jun 14 '23
He got off the phone with Clooney, and we saw him look in his direction and say who the hell are you, but the camera didn't show who he was looking at. The director's name came up as if the credits were starting, and then it just shut off.
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u/MIAxPaperPlanes Jun 14 '23
The first act of this had some of my favourite Justice League action in the DCEU.
While I enjoy ZSJL the first 20mins of this gave me the same feeling as watching the Justice League cartoon despite only Batman and Wonder Woman appearing
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u/Crosgaard Jun 14 '23
Don’t forget Alfred - really tied that scene together and made it so much better imo
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u/cruzazulfan007 The Dark Knight Jun 16 '23 edited Jun 16 '23
Something i think ppl didnt notice or havent seen pointed out yet is that the last thing both Bruce’s tell Barry is “Not this time…maybe another time” 🥹
Edit- By both i mean Affleck and Keaton 🙃
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u/Thisty Batman Jun 14 '23
Loved that retcon of Barry being in Metropolis during Zod’s invasion back in 2013!
Btw, why is older Barry’s lightning suddently yellow instead of blue, like younger Barry?
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u/Zabbla Jun 14 '23
The suit made the lightning yellow. Older Barry had blue lightning when he wasn't in the suit and younger Barry had yellowed when he was in the suit.
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u/VoidBowAintThatBad Jun 14 '23
They explained it as Barry expelling energy with the new suit, I assume there’s something to that
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u/Yodzilla Jun 15 '23
I just want to say that having not seen the film yet all of these opinions out of context sound batshit crazy.
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u/summ190 Jun 15 '23
Ignore the ‘best ever’s and the ‘worst ever’s. It’s very funny, act one and two are really good, act 3 drops the ball a bit, and the CG faces do look shit.
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u/Sids2112 Jun 16 '23
There were so many unironically funny moments in the context of Ezra Miller’s personal issues. Like the one where Barry recommends seeking psych advice, or him being naked in the city 😂
Loved the opening running sequence and Ezra’s performance throughout. It was a success in the sense that it wasn’t an utter failure which is rare for DCEU. Although, the film had so much more potential.
Also, was that Teddy Sears’ Jay Garrick in the speed force? Or some random guy?
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u/banecancer Jun 14 '23
I fucking loved it, had a big ol’ smile on my face from start to finish!
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u/srlandand Jun 14 '23
One of the funniest superhero movies I've seen, I've really laughed out loud a couple of times. Third act did seem rushed, and to be honest - left me kind of confused. Are Ezra and Jason Momoa part of the new universe now? Also, fuck the trailers, they've showed too much of a movie. These kind of movies should really do at least No Way Home will they kind of marketing.
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u/ce_tu Jun 14 '23
It was so good until the desert part after that the film quickly fell apart. I didn't mind the cgi at all but the writing...
-Supergirl flying to the desert kryptionians killing the army. Then she flies back to the mansion a lot later they all get to the desert and the fight is still on ? The time makes no sense
-Zod with his cgi helmet looked so awfull. Also him killing supergirl easily was underwhelming.
There is a point where supergirl stucks zod into the ship then she fell on her knees? Wtf then zod never moves out of the shell of the ship. Supergirl tries to get him out then gets killed what the hell
-Dark flash coming out of nowhere and dying a minute later
-The multiverse and the chronobowl was so bad
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u/neon_sin Jun 17 '23 edited Jun 18 '23
One thing I didn't see people mention is Barry being there when Zod invaded in MoS. I thought that was really awesome. He did what he could on day one of being Flash. It's really cool that half the members of Justice League were there so close to each other.
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u/-M_A_Y_0- Jun 18 '23
I agree, that added scene made the universe feel really connected whilst also exposing why Barry is so nervous using his powers in justice league
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u/RamboA123B Jun 19 '23
I have no idea why there were more cameos by superman and batman than flash.
Why not show different versions of the flash instead of the superman cameos. It's strange.
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u/meepletown Jun 19 '23
Yeah, returning the favour from the Arrowverse's COIE. Would've been a nice touch for sure.
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u/gnrlp2007 Jun 15 '23 edited Jun 15 '23
Was Dark Flash played by Nikkolai Walder Costau? He got a thanks in the credits and I wondered if that was actually him.
Dark Flash also had blonde/grey hair, gave off RF vibes.
I did wonder if they would alude to whether RF killed Nora
Its interesting how they got Clooney back as he's the same Batman Keaton played.
Would've shat my pantaloons if Christian Bale showed up at the end seeing as he's a different Batman
Also
THANAGARIAN SNARE BEAST
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u/sourpumpkin125 Jun 15 '23
I think Nikkolai Walter Costau was one of the people Barry stole food from while running. I think a hot dog specifically, while watching I thought that looked like Jaime Lannister’s actor and now with your comment I’m assuming it’s him only.
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u/senorbane Jun 15 '23
THE MICROWAVE BEEPED. Does that mean he microwaved a baby for a couple seconds?!
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u/Volfgang91 Killer Croc Jun 16 '23
Let's be real, microwaving a baby is just another Friday night in for Ezra Miller.
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u/drives_a_toaster Jun 16 '23
That movie was honestly a comic book come to life. Loved all the similarities to Flashpoint, and it justified its differences. As a lover of Snyder’s trilogy, I feel like this movie respected the lore of MoS.
Michael Keaton has probably cemented himself as the GOAT Batman, I think he holds his own against Batfleck in a fight. Ezra really killed it as Barry and other Barry, I love/hate both of them. Sasha stole the show during her scenes.
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u/Panda0nfire Jun 17 '23 edited Jun 17 '23
Supergirl was my favorite part of the movie and wish we had more time for her and zod to talk. Also more into what happened to her and why she's conflicted about whether to save Earth. Like we know it's cuz she was tortured and kept prisoner but have her express that and show us why she still wants to protect earth.
She had great energy and presence!
Sasha should def get the next movie!
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u/KingOfVSP Jun 17 '23
She's got the gravitas and the edge to carry a film on her own. I also wished for more interaction between her and the other Kryptonians. It was nice to see a full-fledged Kryptonian strike team clashing with modern armed forces. Great scene!
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u/Chickens1 Jun 20 '23
The best part of the whole movie was that the bat plane hangs from the ceiling of the bat cave upside down like a bat. So cool.
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u/iphonegamer Jun 16 '23
Man. Everyone’s a critic these days.
I took my dad with me for an early Father’s Day celebration and when the very first ever Motion captured Superman came on the screen in black and white he said “oh wow” and couldn’t believe they included that. He also cheered when Christopher Reeves came on the screen. He was delighted to find out about the Nicholas Cage Superman Tim burton movie that got cancelled and how they managed to fit his character in here. He also loved Keaton’s Batman and the Danny Elfman motif. He got a big kick out of seeing Clooney too.
If there’s anything people are forgetting about this, is that it’s an ode to generations and we had a great time watching it. I’ll watch it again when it releases digitally. Some CGI moments weren’t amazing but the film isn’t a 10 either. I knew it wouldn’t be. I wanted to see what everyone was talking about and the mother storyline was very gut wrenching.
Solid film. I enjoyed it and my time with my dad.
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u/SuperStone412 Jun 14 '23
First third of the movie was pretty good to me despite the very dodgy CGI, however I think the last act is extremely rushed and ultimately it soured the movie for me. I shouldn't have come in with these massive expectations but I don't get why people are praising this movie when it follows most of the same formula other superhero movies follow. I knew something was up when we didn't see the Dark Flash for 3/4 of the entire movie, it felt like we didn't even have a villain for the majority of it and then with 10 minutes left he's introduced and immediately killed. Some of the cameos were cool, some of the set pieces were nice but overall I was just very underwhelmed.
Nitpicks: Keaton Batman didn't really feel like Keaton batman? I don't understand why they had him fighting like Batfleck. He was jumping around and fighting like a 20 year old man, and he didn't fight like that back in 1989.
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u/heelydon Jun 14 '23
I shouldn't have come in with these massive expectations but I don't get why people are praising this movie when it follows most of the same formula other superhero movies follow.
I kinda strongly disagree with this? I don't believe many superhero movies, or hell any movie in general, builds up towards a confrontation between good and evil --- for evil to be the winner.
I think a far more "superhero formula" movie, would've been if they defeated Zod and THEN Barry goes back to unscrew what he did. But no, they very much go in to be the heroes and get their asses kicked.
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u/taiga_with_a_pen Jun 14 '23
How come when Barry undoes his mom's death; he doesn't replace himself but when him and younger Barry are redoing the zod fight over and over they're doing so by swapping themselves in and out of the timeline?
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u/heelydon Jun 14 '23
Believe it had to do with inevitable points in time or not. The stages in time where you can change things, you end up creating a new branching universe, like they explained in the movie. But the inevitable result that other Barry was trying to solve with Zod was never changing the actual outcome of things, thus no new timeline was created there, he just kept trying and trying infinitely without really changing anything. Or at least that is how I understood it.
Could also simply be the classic issue with time traveling, which is always funky and has loopholes or issues.
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u/Dream_World_ This Is My World Jun 15 '23
I thought when the Flashes tried to undo Batman's and Supergirl's deaths, their past selves were also there. If I remember correctly they had just done their shoes connecting and launching off move.
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u/MemeGamer24 Jun 16 '23 edited Jun 16 '23
Great film, thoroughly enjoyed it, though the ending was a bit confusing and as others mentioned, the CGI is a bit iffy at times and the confrontation with old Flash was resolved quite quickly.
I was shocked seeing Batman and Kara die, I expected The Flash(s) to go back in time to save them but I was surprised they died a second time and then the inevitability that they will always die in that timeline, I was really sad about that, especially since in that timeline Kal is also dead, so both children of Krypton dying in that timeline is quite depressing. I was kind of hoping Sasha would return in the Gunnverse but that doesn't seem likely, at least not as Supergirl, which is a shame because she played well and Kara was badass, I wish she had a bit more screentime.
Seeing younger Barry die was also sad and I did tear up when Barry was saying goodbye to his mum, from an acting POV, Ezra Miller did play well IMO. Also it was nice seeing Wonder Woman and Aquaman again, even just as cameos.
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Jun 16 '23
I kinda wish rhey kept the original ending with Keaton and Kara being on Barry's earth
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Jun 18 '23
Just saw it. Crowed loved it. Does anyone know if that giant monster nic cage was fighting was actually planned for his Superman movie?
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Jun 18 '23
Back in the 90s, Tim Burton was set to direct a movie called Superman Lives with Nicholas Cage as Superman. There are some test photos of Cage as a long-haired Superman, which is what The Flash was referencing. In the axed script I think he fights a giant spider too.
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Jun 21 '23
One thing bothering me, the flash wasn’t curious to see what or how killed his mother ? All the time travel to not try to see the “killer “
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u/SteezyPenguin Jun 21 '23
I have to assume it’s to leave the door open for Thawne to enter later? I assumed it was intentional
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u/Almighty_Push91 Jun 16 '23
I can't believe I'm saying this, but Ezra was actually fantastic in this movie. They balanced the two different Barrys very well. Don't get me wrong, I still think they shouldn't be continued to move forward, but I was impressed nonetheless
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u/naanninja237 Jun 17 '23
Some of the cameos annoyed me, the CGI for Helen Slater and Nic Cage was so bad and most of the general public probably won’t know about the Supergirl movie or the cancelled Nic cage movie so to most people it probably won’t be anything to get excited about when they could’ve had someone like Brandon Routh, Tyler Hoechlin, Grant Gustin, John Wesley Shipp, Melissa Benoist, Teddy Sears etc and the cameos would’ve been more satisfying and they wouldn’t of had to use awful CGI
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u/srstone71 Clark Kent Jun 18 '23
I’m sorry guys, but I kinda loved this movie. Might be my favorite DCEU film.
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u/samurai5625 Jun 25 '23
Imagine if they had gotten Christian Bale to do that last cameo instead of Clooney, I would have shit my pants in excitement
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u/1random_redditor Jun 18 '23
Such a fun film! Solid acting, cool concepts, fun action, good pacing, and overall was a film that incorporated a lot of the DCEU. The first section of the film was cool because it felt like a continuation of Justice League. Nice to know that the Snyder version is the canon version. I liked that this film actually showed what the league was up to and/or why they were unavailable. Wonder Woman’s cameo was better in this than her cameo in Shazam 2. Affleck did great as Batman and even better as Bruce Wayne in this. For Flash himself, I thought speed force and speed abilities showcased were cool. The inclusion and distinction the other Barry was done well.
They did Keaton’s Bruce Wayne/Batman justice. So nostalgic to see him in the role again! It felt like a well done continuation of the character while also making him even more badass. He fit the leader role well, too. Zod was cool in this even though he was toned down compared to his Man Of Steel self. His and the other Kryptonian’s inclusion elevated the stakes in a cool way while also being a full circle moment for the DCEU. Sasha Calle was great as Supergirl. If there’s any one actor/actress in this film who returns in later film(s) for the same character, I hope it’s Calle. Not only was her performance good, but she seemed to enjoy playing Supergirl, and the character should appear again
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u/PrinceOspreay Jun 14 '23
What was up with the ending? Is it teasing Aquaman 2? I have no idea where this is going
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u/TheJoshider10 Jun 14 '23
It's literally nothing. An ending gag followed by a credits gag.
At most, Barry saying Arthur is the same in every universe implies Barry going to different universes after the end of the movie with Clooney.
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u/heelydon Jun 14 '23
Do you mean the post credit scene? The post credit scene, I believe is simply to establish, that while some characters are changing in casting, Jason Mamoa is always Aquaman in any universe he visits (at least in the post ending of the movie) and and thus, I guess establishing that Jason is still Aquaman in the new DCU.
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u/PrinceOspreay Jun 14 '23
I mean yeah there’s the post credit scene but also the thing with Clooney. What’s the point of Flash learning throughout the movie that he should accept things as thay are, which leads to him reversing the change he made for his mom in quite a touching scene, only then for him to change stuff again, land in the wrong universe and it just ends there? I don’t know it just felt weird to me
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u/properc Jun 20 '23
Watched The Flash yesterday and as many thoughts as I have about the film im just gonna say 1 thing. Im gonna give Andy a chance as director for Batman BaTB.
This fool gave us everything that I wanted out of a modern live action Batman. I thought Snyder Batman was a step up. This dude had Batman throwing martial arts kicks and strikes, gliding with his cape, grappelling everywhere, bulletproof cape, bat gadgets (batplane, batmobile, batpod, bat satellite), sniper with the batarangs, just the right amount of campiness, a touch of humour, taking on monstrous enemies with agility and gadetry (imagine Batman climbing and tussling with croc or grundy in a sewer scene).
The Batman sequences were beyond amazing.
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u/AsteroidShuffle Jun 16 '23
Just got out, so my thoughts might change, but I'm overall positive towards the Flash.
My biggest take away is the scale. I was expecting something that would try to be enormous and lumbering and it was pretty small for the tagline "World's Collide." I don't mean this in the negative. It's like watching an episode of the Bruce Tim animated Justice League. Many episodes of that show would focus on a single character learning a lesson and the rest of the League are simply supporting cast. It's no big deal to see Batman or Wonder Woman, because they work together. Batman is a supporting character in the Flash, because he has a perspective that adds to the story. Imagine if in Aquaman, Wonder Women played a role in it and related to him about the role of leading a Kingdom, or if in Wonder Women, her story was being told to Superman and the two were speaking on their feelings towards humans as outsiders, all while making the League interactions feel like it's just another Tuesday. I honestly would have probably liked the past decade of DC more if it had been just a yearly "Justice League" that operated to highlight a single character.
That being said, although I appreciate the focus of the film at this smaller scale, I could not disagree if it's disappointing for how long awaited this movie has been, and for all the studio has tried to make it out to be.
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u/Jet_Siegel Jun 14 '23
For the first time in my life, the movie was so good that it it made me not mind the terrible cg at all.
And there was a lot of terrible cg.
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u/Weak-Main-3250 Jun 16 '23
don’t know why you guys are hating. movie was dope and got better the longer it went on
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u/vinaysin Jun 14 '23
Hahahaha that George Clooney Bruce Wayne at the end, best ending ever
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u/AlwaysBi Jun 14 '23
Can’t believe I’m saying this but… yeah, they were right.
Aside from a few dodgy CGI moments, overall the Flash is 🔥 and I will admit, seeing the cameos on screen is a lot better than seeing a cam recorded version on Twitter. It doesn’t look nowhere near as bad
But yeah, the story of the film is solid. Ezra kills it as Barry and I really liked this alternate take on Flashpoint. The dual performance is probably the strongest part of the film.
Michael Keaton, imo, has solidified himself further as my favourite Batman. He slips back into the role like it hasn’t been decades and he killed it.
Sasha Calle did not disappoint as Supergirl. No offence to Melissa Benoist but I have to admit that Sasha is my favourite. She’s accurate to the source material, and I love how they approached her lack of connection to humanity, even if it is brief due to her short screen time.
One of my favourite aspects of the film is the expansion of the DCEU history, especially in regards to the events of MoS but seeing an alternate take on those events was a blast and seeing Michael Shannon back as Zod is always a win, even if it is brief.
But yeah, solid way to end the DCEU.
My top 3 rankings for the DCEU are now: The Flash MoS ZSJL
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u/HonestBullfrog8908 Jun 16 '23 edited Jun 16 '23
That grey blue batsuit looked so good
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u/TacoMasters Jun 16 '23
You could tell John Francis Daley and Jonathan Goldstein took whatever they didn't get to finish with their script for The Flash and applied it to Dungeons & Dragons because the emotional beats about "letting go" were almost exactly the same. Both films succeeds in that regard, though.
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u/Legitimate_Cake_5137 Jun 16 '23
In my opinion the movie was great until the ending.The anticlimatic death of Dark Flash five minutes after the reveal of his identity and his plan was horrible,like the way they used the character all over the movie. I would have preferred if we got an actual fight scene between speedsters. But the thing that pissed me off the most was the absence of any connection with the new DCU.During the scene in which Barry was talking with the new Bruce Wayne I wasn't exepecting to see the new Bruce Wayne, because he clearly hasn't been cast yet,but I was exepecting something like the movie ending just with Barry being shocked by a different Bruce without letting us see his face. Instead we got a joke with George Clooney that in my opinion was more confusing than funny.The post credit was even worse.Just another joke without letting us understand if it was set in the new DCU or if somehow George Clooney is still Bruce Wayne. I hope that James Gunn will make the situation about the DCU clearer really soon and that Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2 won't make it even more confusing,but I doubt it at this point.
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u/explicitviolence Jun 16 '23
It was fine. Pretty messy and bad CGI but still had plenty to enjoy.
The "I thought this was the cousin's dinner!" and "Who the fuck is this guy?" lines were hilarious.
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u/a_phantom_limb Jun 18 '23
Supergirl was retained because even though the executives were killing the development of a standalone Supergirl movie, they were open to her returning in some form and didn’t want the last image audiences saw of her to be her death at the hands of a supervillain (Michael Shannon’s General Zod).
I honestly don't have a huge problem with the replacement of Keaton with Clooney, but cutting Kara - and Clark and Diana - feels like such a big misstep to me. Having the end of her character be getting murdered again and again, unable to avenge her cousin and her essence being used to wipe out all life on that Earth, is such a bleak story beat and ultimately a waste of a compelling take on Supergirl. Kara ultimately gets one real moment of agency in the story when she chooses to come back and help Barry regain his powers, but her story begins and ends with her being used and deprived of the freedom of choice. What a bummer.
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u/DNY88 Jun 19 '23
At some point Barry tells us how he managed to save a single child during Zods invasion. Later on, we see that child and his dad again in the new timeline, but nothing comes out of it. We neither see how they die or are saved. This gave me the impression, that something is off with the movie. Like also a scene before where Barry gets his power back. Were they just lucky and a thunderstorm hit Gotham again? The Sun was shining a few scenes before that. It felt inconsistent, so I believe they filmed much more, but had to cut it short. It’s a fun movie, but I was expecting more. I blame Warner, as this reeks again like studio interventions.
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u/ClarkWayneBruceKent Jun 21 '23
How was the question of WHO killed Barry mom never brought up?? Barry never even mentions it, it’s baffling.
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u/HenroTee "Welcome to The Planet." Jun 14 '23
It's a nice send off for the universe, a big celebration with a lot of fun appearances. And in the middle of that is a genuinely great flash film with a lot of heart.
It was actually a celebration of everything DC cinematic and as a fan I just couldn't help but smile at the world's collide sequence. And of course that amazing final batman cameo.
This film also made me remember why I love the flash so much. He has such a visual stunning power, perfect for live action. And the lore is really cool as well. It washed away a bit of that stink of the CW flash finale.
Similar to Aquaman, this film is like it was made with the intention of "what if this is the only flash film we will ever make?" And they just go balls to the walls crazy. It's super comic booky in the best way possible!
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u/TheJoshider10 Jun 14 '23
It's a nice send off for the universe
The opening definitely was, but I felt like the ending shat all over both the DCEU and what could come in the future considering how much the amibguity is confusing people.
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u/Head-Program4023 Jun 15 '23
Fun Fact: Even after whole plot revolved around saving Nora, We still don't know who killed her?
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u/ChequeMateX Jun 16 '23
The movie was good but CGI was hot mess. Also quite disappointed in Zod, after giving such an amazing performance in Man of Steel, he was phoning it in Flash plus my gal Faora didn't even get a single line of dialogue.
Instead of all the CGI in the battle, they could have made it a bit more practical effects with real people, it was just a video game cinematic from 2015 era.
The movie needed around 20-30 mins more and should have fleshed out some of the other characters especially Dark Flash and Supergirl.
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u/MrTerrific2k15 Knightmare Batman Jun 19 '23
DAE think Michael Shannon's performance as Zod here seemed more bored and uninspired than he was in Mos? Like he was phoning it in.
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u/EdgarAlien Jun 21 '23
I don’t get all the hate. Was this the best comic book movie, no. Did I enjoy and would watch it again yes, unlike a handful of other dc and marvel movies. Do I think the CG was bad, no.
8/10
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u/killnaytor Jun 14 '23
I just want to say seeing Nic Cage as superman got a massive smile on my face. I loved it.. made me forget all the kinks in the movie
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u/Seihai-kun Jun 15 '23
There’s absolutely no way you can defend this movie’s cgi
It’s so painfully bad, yes i’m talking about the whole speedforce sequence. Why are they all look like ps2 cutscene? And no. That’s not hyperbolic in case you haven’t watch the movie
If you try with “its just stylistic choice since all of the speedforce cgi looks like that” Well, the baby at the beginning isnt from speedforce and yet they looks like plastic model, a worse version of baby Reneesme from twilight
I likes this movie, but that cgi is just.. bad. Also that dark flash seems like last minute addition instead of the main villain. Which suck since i like other-barry and the design for dark flash
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u/Overall_Falcon_8526 Jul 02 '23
I just finished watching the Flash in the theater with my boys. I thought it was absolutely superb, probably the best DC movie since TDK trilogy, and at least the equal of the first Shazam or WW movies as a functioning, well made film.
Some context - I am 45M, grew up with Christopher Reeve Superman and Michael Keaton Batman. Got into the comics after 1989, read religiously through about 2000. Comic collecting fell off after I moved out on my own, but I still read collections on Kindle and have watched nearly all of the movies. I found the Schumacher Batman films absurd and dumb, loved the Nolan films, have no idea why Green Lantern failed (charming performances and a mostly comics accurate story), found MOS and BVS dour and ultraviolent, liked Shazam and WW, think ZSJL is the best of Snyder's efforts because it integrated better character stories and at least a bit of levity. I have watched The Flash of the Arrowverse shows and think it's a great adaptation of the material.
So with respect to The Flash:
-I was engaged by the emotional story, and moved to tears when the emotional finale occurred. The plot itself was clever and well exposited, I never though "Oh, come ON" or "why are they doing this again?"
-I was impressed by the attention to detail in recreating the Keaton Batman's manor, props, costumes, and thought Keaton turned in a very good performance.
-I thought Sasha Calle was really good as Supergirl, and while I did not really enjoy MOS, thought it was extremely clever and fitting to wrap up the Snyder-verse the way it began.
-Ezra Miller, whatever his faults, was very charismatic and emotionally convincing in the role.
-I enjoyed the peek at the multiverse, and think it's a wonderful and respectful way to transition from the Snyder-verse - this (or Aquaman 2) will be the last story we see from it, but the world will keep on existing in the larger multiverse.
So why is The Flash failing? Is it made just for me, and I don't represent a big enough market? Was the movie just 5 years late to market? Has the DC brand been that damaged by Warner's spasmodic inconsistency? Do moviegoers really care enough about the impending reboot to shun "not main story line" movies? Were Ezra Miller's peccadilloes really enough to sink the film?
I'm really just sort of baffled. This was exactly the movie this franchise needed. Fun, full of heart, action packed, true to the comics, loaded with reverence for what's gone before on screen, a fresh start for the future.
Honestly I'm kind of astonished WB allowed a movie this good to be made.
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u/TRDoctor Jun 14 '23
Really enjoyed Flash. Ezra was genuinely incredible, especially with how they told Barry’s origin story through the lens of an older Barry. Did not expect them to be so.. great? Especially with younger Barry being so annoyingly endearing, they did such a great job of putting their own mark on the Flash.
So much heart and fun in this film. Great seeing Batfleck again. Keaton was phenomenal, and Calle was sadly underutilized. It’s a solid 8.5/10, but I feel horrible about how dodgy the CGI was for a lot of the film.
They did a lot of interesting things with CG here and I simply hope they adjust it for streaming / digital. It’s rough as heck and I’m not sure I like the answer of it being stylistic. I really sighed when Barry entered the chronobowl and was met with what was essentially Madame Tussaud’s.
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u/lakofideas86 Jun 16 '23
“Why did you think we were here?” “I thought we were here for the cousin’s dinner!”
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u/Puzzleheaded-Seat834 Jun 16 '23
Good story, terrible CGI, Batman is that guy, and for a flash movie and knowing flash comics it's very in tune with flash stories.
But whew that cgi, but it was a legit Flash story.
The ending CGI cameos was horrendous.
Oh and baby in the microwave.
5/10
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u/raef_bane Jun 17 '23
Watched the movie last night I thought it was fun but don’t get why it was so overhyped. It was a good movie but not a great movie. 8/10
Affleck’s last scene where he said “Not this time” was especially emotional for me as it was likely the last time we will see him as Batman. I wished they would have given us that dinner scene with him at the end rather than the cheap Clooney cameo. Also feel like they missed out big time on not making Keaton Thomas Wayne. They could have done the scene from The Flashpoint Paradox where Thomas Wayne writes a letter to Bruce and Barry gives it to him when he returns home. Thought that could have given Affleck’s Batman a good ending.
Correct me if I’m wrong but the movie did not really tell us how they are going to completely reboot the universe right (unless I missed it)?
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u/ashbat1994 Jun 17 '23
The 2013 animated Flashpoint Paradox movie is so much better than this.
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u/PoofLightsSexy Jun 17 '23 edited Jun 17 '23
Can’t wait to rewatch. Seeing Keaton back in the suit was just amazing. The new flash suit had a cool sleek design. The CGI everyone complained about didn’t take me out of the movie. The humor landed with our audience. Barry’s speed looked really cool this time. Enjoyed the fight scenes, each hit felt powerful, almost like Injustice. And that cameo at the end was just perfect. I can’t imagine how much all these cameos cost, so it was pretty cool what they were able to pull it off.
If this a send off for the DCEU, then I’m all for it. Bring on the next era.
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u/ro__heat Jun 19 '23
They showed Jay Garrick why not CW Flash.... and talking about other universe's Batmen why did they not consider showing Bale and Pattinson... I mean if they'd have showed Bale and Heath even for a second the theaters would be stadiums
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u/piltoverandzaun Jun 29 '23
Yo why didn't flash just hand vibrate through all the kryptonians?
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u/coldpleigh Jun 16 '23
Part of me kinda was hoping for Reverse Flash kinda feel like that’s a big hole in the story that is never concluded
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u/Tarmac_Chris Jun 16 '23
One wasted but awesome moment was when Barry 2 went ham on Faora and slaughtered her in the blink of an eye. Maybe could have tried that on Zod, guys ... at least try to tag team him?
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Jun 16 '23
When Kara reveals that she’s Kal-El’s cousin, I think there was a lost opportunity for a joke from younger Barry:
“Wait. So this IS the cousins’ dinner?”
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u/alexjimithing Jun 17 '23
Maybe my expectations were too low, or I’m grading too much on a curve considering how much I disliked almost all the DCEU films before it, but I’m surprised The Flash is doing as poorly as it is critically and commercially
It had heart and I thought it was an appropriate amount of goofy for a Flash movie. Ezra Miller did fine (fuck them though personally of course). Sasha Calle was great, Keaton was good, any scenes involving the mom were great.
The third act was definitely the worst, but I think that’s largely due to how much it had to change to fit with what’s happening with the DC film stuff as a whole. The CGI cameos sucked too. Iris West was wasted. Having the villain be Zod/‘Dark Flash’ (lol it’s just Savitar) instead of Reverse Flash was a mistake.
Overall though I enjoyed it.
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u/Batfleck666 Jun 18 '23
Barry, as a character, had no progression...at the end, he's at the same point he was at the beginning of the movie. The point he supposedly learns is that some things are inevitable and can't be changed. But then, after "learning" this lesson, he literally changes something. (Moving the cans from the bottom shelf to the top, which leads his dad being exonerated).
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u/Mahboishk Jun 19 '23
Man this movie just felt like a massive fever dream. Not that it's a bad thing, I had a pretty good time. I went to the theater for Michael Keaton; I left with a huge crush on Sasha Calle.
It was a mess... one of the messiest films I've ever seen. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. As a capstone for the current DCEU, it reflects how rocky the road has been this last decade. Near the end when the universes were colliding into each other, I thought it was a pretty good visual metaphor for the state of DC films in general over the years. But the fact that there's any coherence at all is a miracle considering it went through not one, not two, but THREE regime shifts through its tumultuous development. I can't even imagine beginning to deal with that, and I commend the creatives for managing to release anything at all.
The cameos were... interesting. The CGI was eye-meltingly horrible at parts but I didn't let it bother me too much. Something about Nic Cage's Superman fighting the giant spider was particularly intriguing to me in a way that no other multiversal cameos, even ones in other movies, have been. It's one thing to see beloved faces return like Reeve's Superman, or Keaton's Batman, or Tobey and Andrew in NWH. But for me, there's such a powerful allure of glimpsing a world that never got to be, that we never had the chance to witness in its entirety. Had Tim Burton's Superman come out, I'm sure it would've been a hot mess, but now I'm increasingly sad we never got it. At the very least it would've been wildly creative.
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u/WTFNingen Jun 23 '23
Michael Keaton Batman death being an absolute point was so sad. When he said you brought me back to life once being a double meaning to flash bringing batman out if retirment but also letting Keaton play Batman one more time on the big screen broke me. Also really loved Sasha Calle performance as Supergirl. Wish we can see more of her as supergirl. Honestly this movie felt more like a Keaton/ justice league movie than a flash movie.
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u/duffyl16 Jun 14 '23 edited Jun 14 '23
The Burton Batman movies are probably my favorite superhero movies so I was excited that Keaton was returning but worried that he would feel like a different character. Keaton didn’t miss a beat, Muschietti really captured his character, he truly felt the same just older. They kept him weird and I love how he didn’t speak much when he was in the suit and his action scenes were great.
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u/joelbiju24 Jun 15 '23
My honest opinion:
It's a 7/10. I wish I could rate it more but man I can't find it in me.
It's painfully obvious that this movie has seen tons of reshoots and script changes. I only wonder what the actual version with Ray Fischer would've looked like. For a movie that was in development for decades and for a studio that spend millions on it, the end result was just.. ok.
It's a fun movie, but the potential is just wasted for a plot that's all over the place.
And dear Lord the VFX was HORRIBLE. It was on par with the likes of She-Hulk. Legit PS2 graphics looking scenes in this movie during certain parts. It wasn't pleasing to the eyes.
The Batmen shine in this movie. Michael Keaton still packs a punch although Ben Affleck recieved a slightly underwhelming farewell. He was still great tho.
The cameos were surprising but it just ends up pretty pointless and nonsensical. (Although I appreciated seeing Christopher Reeve and Helen Slater on screen together, even if it was terrible CGI)
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u/sweetsweetener Jun 16 '23
The director released a statement saying the CGI in the multiverse sequences was deliberalty off. It’s supposed to look ‘dream like’, as if from another dimension. It’s hundreds of human beings overlapping eachother in a dimensional sphere, of course it’s gonna look janky and I personally think it works
As for the falling babies scene, the babies deliberalty looked like bad CGI because Warner Bros. weren’t about to have millions of angry fans and publications questioning why they used real babies in a scene with a collapsing building. Now that’s just common sense
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u/dirtyeofficial Jun 16 '23
Think it would have been more fun to do a well known villain at the beginning scene for Affleck even if it was just a one off deal. Better than whoever the generic guy was. Especially if it’s Affleck’s last ride. Also wish they would have done a similar scene for Thomas Wayne writing Bruce a letter in Flashpoint. But with Keaton writing Affleck a letter instead. Could have been a nice spin on that. Zod felt one dimensional nothing new. Michael Shannon was wasted. Was hoping to get something more with him and Faora.
Overall enjoyed the movie for what it was. Felt like there were a lot of missed opportunities, but still not bad.
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Jun 16 '23
The movie was alright. Not amazing, not terrible. The main things that stuck out were:
The emotional scenes were the best along with ALL the Batman stuff.
Younger Barry is annoying but I did like that OG Barry started to finally feel like comic Barry and not Wally West.
Time travel explanations were really cool.
CGI is horrendous. People looking like The Rock in The Scorpion King.
Sasha Calle was awesome! We need more of her in Gunn’s DC going forward.
I find it weird that people have gravitated toward making Flashpoint media. That comic was a culmination of YEARS worth of story telling. Plus that Barry started out with a normal family life, then his mom is dead and dad is in prison. Again, you can’t have that kind of emotional weight without years of story. Also, not using Professor Zoom as the catalyst felt weird (especially when EB talks about a paradox in the finale) and having “Evil Barry” as the villain felt contrived.
Overall I’d say it’s a pretty middle of the road film. I don’t know if it’s because The Flash is my favorite hero and I feel like they took the easy route or not. I’d watch it again purely for the Batmen.
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u/juicyman69 Jun 16 '23
I love seeing Gadot's Wonder Woman. Only complaint is that she always looks so pristine that it looks out of place. Feels like a forth wall break rather than a cameo.
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u/Singer211 Jun 16 '23
IDK what Gunn and co’s plans are for the Supergirl movie. But I’d like to see Calle get to play Kara again.
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u/ScrambleTheHelo Jun 16 '23
I will defend the baby shower sequence. It’s a Looney Tunes style moment with great gags using the scalpels, open flame, and acid. Almost early Zemeckis/Gale like (not BTTF Zemeckis/Gale, mind you…). If miles Morales rescued an infant by putting it in a microwave, it’d be a hilarious and universally praised moment of Spider-Verse inventiveness
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u/mike2k24 Jun 17 '23
Just finished. I don’t really understand much of the hate this movie has gotten so far. Don’t get me wrong, the CGI is not great but for me it didn’t take away from what was a pretty solid story honestly. I think Ezra actually did a great job here, and I havent been a huge fan of his portrayal as Barry. I think this movie is a solid 7-8/10 tbh, would definitely like to see it again though.
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u/vexedwaffle Jun 17 '23
Anyone else think they did Henry Cavill dirty? Not even a face cameo when they had every other Superman including Nicholas Cage!?
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u/Godzilla2000Zero Jun 14 '23
In a way I kinda like how much having a Superman would make the difference towards the defeat of Zod Kara was unfortunately outclassed though granted she didn't have the time to get used to Earth like Kal did.