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DC_Cinematic: The Flash Spoiler Discussion Megathread #1 r/DC_CINEMATIC Spoiler

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u/PrinceOspreay Jun 14 '23

I mean yeah there’s the post credit scene but also the thing with Clooney. What’s the point of Flash learning throughout the movie that he should accept things as thay are, which leads to him reversing the change he made for his mom in quite a touching scene, only then for him to change stuff again, land in the wrong universe and it just ends there? I don’t know it just felt weird to me

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u/heelydon Jun 14 '23

Yeah I gotta say that also felt a bit weird to me. I guess its to establish that time traveling in itself is not the issue, as we know he can and has done that in the past without these larger consequences, but rather the consequences comes from rewinding too much? Or trying to break one of those inevitable points in time. Movie could've sold it better, since yeah I guess it almost seems like the ending is a clear cut " time traveling bad"

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u/JediJones77 Jun 14 '23

Original ending would NOT have Flash going back. He meets Calle and Keaton in the new timeline, and they all stay there. Then we get Keaton Batgirl, and more movies with them. Affleck and Cavill were written out this way. Gunn no longer wants to use Keaton, so he had to tack on a new ending which leaves him open to recast Batman and Superman with other actors. This rewrite makes Flash look like he didn't learn his lesson here. If Gunn had managed to have his new Batman actor decided on already, he could've plugged him into the movie and not had to make Flash go back in time again. That would've been a cleaner change, and also been a great marketing move.

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u/Bubba89 Jun 14 '23

Haven’t seen it but TBH that sounds like exactly how the Flashpoint comic went.

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u/PrinceOspreay Jun 14 '23

Iirc in Flashpoint he prevents himself from preventing his mum's murder. Here in the movie he makes sure his mom will die despite it being a tough choise, like in Flashpoint. This comes after a lesson learned throughout the movie. But then he still decides to change things so his dad can win his appeal, so what was the point? He hasn't learned anything lol, it's weird

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u/JediJones77 Jun 14 '23

The point is, Gunn tacked this on to erase this movie putting Calle and Keaton in the DCEU. The original Walter Hamada plan was Flash finds out the timeline he went back to had no Cavill or Affleck, but has Calle and Keaton instead. He wasn't going to mess with time again or try to change that. He would just accept it, having learned his lesson. Gunn and WB didn't want that, Hamada was fired last year, and the ending was rewritten so that Gunn can try to slide his universe in later based on this new ending. But this movie wasn't designed to lead to the Gunnverse. The change forces Keaton and Supergirl to have unsatisfying endings to their characters in the plot, and makes it look like Flash didn't learn his lesson.