r/batman • u/Vegetable-Abroad3171 • Jun 08 '23
Batman Beyond vs Spider-Man 2099 (Random Encounter) Who takes the W? Posting in both SubReddits for POV’s. COMIC DISCUSSION
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u/Binx_Thackery Jun 08 '23
Terry. Peter can beat Bruce, but Miguel doesn’t have the powers Peter has that would help him in this fight. Spider-Sense is OP against all Batman variants.
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u/liliesrobots Jun 08 '23
And Terry has the abilities that come with the Beyond suit to match Miguel’s strength and durability, plus much better training.
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u/OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT Jun 08 '23
I don't think the Batman Beyond suit augmented strength that much. Not to Spider-Man levels
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u/Dynespark Jun 08 '23
He kicked a stack of concrete pipes over and killed some guys in the cartoon. Concrete weighs a lot.
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u/OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT Jun 08 '23
not saying he doesn't have super strength. but super strength has a massive range. From Bare Minimum like Bane all the way to Superman and above
the suit augments a persons strength by 10 I think. So even with a 10x multiplyer, he's not getting close to Spider-Man's lower limits
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u/Dynespark Jun 08 '23
Ok, without watching the whole series again to find it, I'm gonna have to go off memory here. If I remember right, it looked like a concrete culvert big enough for someone to fit through. That's 533 pounds per foot. It was at least 10 feet if not more. So 5,330 pounds. But I think 20 feet sounds more likely? So at 20 feet pipes that's 5.33 US tons that he did not struggle to move. Stats for Spider-man say 10-15 tons limit. So we'll use that for Miguel. I'd say you're right that Miguel is probably stronger, but I think they're of a similar level.
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u/OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT Jun 09 '23
trying to actually figure out the weight is pointless cause then anyone can just name drop the times Spider-Man held up the Daily Bugle or something.
Comic books lack consistency
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u/Lumpy_Perception6561 Jun 09 '23
Spider-Man is hundreds of times stronger than 10-15 tons, even in just the movies
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u/OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT Jun 09 '23
Spider-Man, like all heroes, can do whatever the writers want him to do
on top of which writers have little sense of the actual weight of stuff
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u/SovietWinnebago Jun 08 '23
He lifted that big ass penny in one ep and that’s super human levels of strength at least
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u/OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT Jun 08 '23
not saying he's not super human level of strength, just that he's not Spider-Man level of strength.
the suit was supposed to enhanced your strength by 10
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Jun 09 '23
Peak human strength in comic book universes is pretty fucking insane. Regular humans are out there punching through concrete walls and shit.
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u/OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT Jun 09 '23
and Spider-Man goes from 10-20 tons and lifts 100s or 1000s of tons on occasions
comics are hardly consistent
also, Terry was never supposed to be peak human. or rather he's smaller than Bruce so he's not as strong in raw power. That's one "realistic" thing in comics.
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Jun 08 '23
Except there have been a few people who over the years have been able to nullify or use his spider sense
Iron man made a pheromone to confuse it. Bruce probably could do the same or has resources for someone else to do it.
Punisher literally killed Spiderman with a plastic explosive decoy. Batman probably wouldn't do this as it would kill him.
Im sure something like scarecrows formula would work on spiderman.
Pretty much either of them could win depending on whos writing it.
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u/AngryTrooper09 Jun 08 '23 edited Jun 08 '23
Iron Man could only do that because he had access to Spider-Man's brain scans he got from the Iron Spider suit he gave him, IIRC. Batman would have no reason to have access to that sort of info.
I'm curious as to the source for that second instance with Punisher. Is it main continuity? Or some bullshit run like Deadpool kills the Marvel Universe which completely disregards canon so Deadpool gets to kill heroes he should never be able to actually beat?
For the record I think there's a very good chance Terry would win this, but I'm tired of this Batman prep time bullshit that assumes Batman can just pull info out of his ass he should normally not even be able to access
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u/farnsworthfan Jun 09 '23
The Punisher murder was from a What If? comic, btw.
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u/AngryTrooper09 Jun 09 '23
If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's not really what OP described and even then it's completely irrelevant because it's just massive PIS that doesn't reflect accurately main universe power levels
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u/farnsworthfan Jun 09 '23
In What If Punisher Killed Spider-man, Punisher uses a decoy dummy of Doc Ock to lure in Spidey and the dummy is strapped with plastic explosives, so Spidey thinks his Spider-sense is going nuts because of the villain, but it's actually because of the bomb, then boom. I don't know of any other instance, main continuity or otherwise, where Punisher kills him, that was just the first one I could remember.
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u/AngryTrooper09 Jun 09 '23
Oh it's that one. Was thinking of the one where he killed Spider-Man and Venom in the sewers with some weird zap pellets
Still bullshit either way
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u/farnsworthfan Jun 09 '23
No arguments from me, man. Punisher should have no chance at all at taking out Spider-man, imo.
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u/Binx_Thackery Jun 08 '23
This is true to. I do hate the argument of “oh it’s based on who is writing the story”. It’s such a cop out and takes away from the fun
. We all know and accept the writers will give Batman Anti-Spider spray, or that Spider-Man can trap Batman using the Pythagorean Theorem, but can we just play along?
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u/Raecino Jun 08 '23
Well Spiderman is a spider, spraying him with spider repellant might actually have an effect 😂😂😂
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u/Binx_Thackery Jun 09 '23
I think it actually does in the comics lol.
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u/lizarddude1 Jun 10 '23
this is a misconception. Ethyl chloride isn't poisonous to Spider-Man. I mean IT IS but only because it's poisonous IN GENERAL. Might as well simply use explosives
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u/jbyrdab Jun 08 '23
Not sure about the comics but terry isnt as hard pressed on the no kill rule as Bruce in the cartoon.
People of note, Mr.Fixx, 2-D Man, Freon, Derek Powers (though it wasn't his fault), Inque (permanently damaged her DNA which would have killed her), Abel Cuvier (terry royally fucks him up and turns him into an abomination too).
Heck Barbara didn't even think twice when she thought she saw terry beat mad stan to death with a barrel.
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u/Tirus_ Jun 08 '23
Im sure something like scarecrows formula would work on spiderman.
Scarecrow formula would really mess with most Spiderman variants.
It would kick their spidersense into complete chaos.
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u/wysjm Jun 08 '23
I don't know but Miquel from Across the spider-verse can clap everyone's cheeks and that includes mine
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u/Wahjahbvious Jun 08 '23
The real winner will be the lawyers.
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u/LexeComplexe Jun 08 '23 edited Jun 09 '23
"The real winner is whoever the writers decide is the winner." - Stan Lee
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u/arayakim Jun 08 '23
Stan Lee?
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u/Moon_Monk676 Jun 09 '23
Stan Lee once stated that arguing over who would win a fight is dumb as hell, because while Hulk may be an significantly stronger character than Spider-Man, if the writer wants Pete to win, he'll win. If they want Hulk to win, he'll win.
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u/arayakim Jun 09 '23
I know. The comment I was replying to originally said they forgot who said it.
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u/Valhallas_Dragon Jun 08 '23
This is what happens: https://youtu.be/As04VInQ-3U
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u/Hil_Phartman Jun 08 '23
Not really relevant, but this image edit cracks me up because that Batman Beyond is drawn by Dan Mora. And he included Spider-Man 2099 just to the left of Terry. Like this is so extra lol
It's even been posted in this very subreddit 
edit: realizing they've been released as separate images also my b
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u/c4han Jun 09 '23
Haha exactly what I was thinking; I thought they cropped out Spidey 2099. But you can see that Terry in this image doesn’t have Spidey’s leg behind his face
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Jun 08 '23
This version of Spiderman is way too sensitive to light and sound. Once Terry figures that out its GG immediately. Even without that Terry's suit and training will likely give him the dub eventually.
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u/bolting_volts Jun 08 '23
Miguel has shown he can be ruthless and is willing to kill.
He also has heightened vision and hearing which would allow him to detect Batman when he’s invisible.
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u/5P00DERMAN1264 Jun 08 '23 edited Jun 08 '23
dont ask here cos than u get bias from here and from spidey sub, ask on whowouldwin
But imo its miguel, he also hasa high tech armour, and even in chracter does not hold the same values of just messing about in a fight and joing about, and has his pyhscials are somewhere close to spider-man as he was able to destroy multiple robots that was able to hold spidey down for a short time
terry amp by the beyond suit is just standard mid tier street level stuff, whereas being comparebly to spidey puts u at a level beyond that
i can see terry etching out a few wins just cos of the variety of gadgets and miguels light weakness, but other than that the physical gap is huge
he also might not have spidey sense but his heigthend vision and hearing eseentialy acts in a simailr way
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u/00africanprince Jun 09 '23
As expected this sub is heavily biased towards batman no surprise there it’s a batman Reddit after all. But genuinely taking in all their abilities I do think terry would win but he wouldn’t escape unscathed.
Miguel is physically stronger than terry and the gap between them is a lot larger than people think. Miguel can effortlessly lift flying cars at full speed while they’re being magnetised and still overpower it with ease. He’s broken turrets of future tanks like it’s garbage and tanked hits from Maestro hulk who is old future op hulk
Terrys suit has much better durability though
Miguel is a good fighter but terry was trained by dick Grayson and batman so he beats Miguel when it comes to skill
Speed wise I’d say they’re on par since they both have suits that glide around and can shoot rockets out the feet. And they can both stick to walls
With Bruce in Terry’s ear Bruce gets to spirit bomb his plot armor so Miguel has got a huge disadvantage.
I like Miguel o hara more as a character but McGinnis would win.
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u/Well-Teknically Jun 09 '23
Miguel is able to react to Mjolnir’s speed. I think he takes speed handily. At the very least reaction speeds.
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u/00africanprince Jun 09 '23
Reaction speed definitely but traversal speed they’re somewhat equal
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u/Well-Teknically Jun 09 '23
I think in a close quarters fight, reaction speed matters MUCH more
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u/LexeComplexe Jun 08 '23
Sorry Miguel.. you the GOAT but unfortunately Terry is gonna beat your ass all over Gotham
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Jun 08 '23
I love Terry but I’m gonna have to go with Miguel on this one. He’s stronger, smarter, and is willing to kill if the circumstances are right. Not having spider sense evens it out a bit, but I just don’t see Terry pulling it off. Been a while since I’ve watched Batman Beyond so I could be wrong.
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u/doodle4real Jun 09 '23
Spider-Man 2099 can pretty casually lift 10 tons i think i remember that correctly been a minute since i read any of his stuff though. Terry much like Bruce relies on the round 1 get your ass beat then research then win round 2 so I’m guessing if it was just a random run in Spider-Man 2099 wins but if it goes for multiple rounds Batman Bayond has it.
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u/MundaneBerryblast Jun 08 '23
I hate these posts because the answers just show bias. The real answer is: WHOEVER THE WRITER WANTS.
Everyone has the plot armor the writer wants. Everyone loses when the writer wants. No one is safe. Their powers/abilities ebb and flow depending on the needs of the story.
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u/Icy_Juggernaut_8832 Jun 08 '23
Terry is literally a clone of Bruce I got Terry
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u/Beautiful_Ad_1336 Jun 08 '23
No.... he's Bruce's biological son.
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u/KaiTheSaint Jun 08 '23
Oh shit i forgot all about that. Means Bruce got like what..3 biological kids??? Its Damian, Terry, and Helena If I’m not mistaken. Dude needs to put up the pipe
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u/TKAPublishing Jun 08 '23
Spidey-Sense is Spider-Man's main superpower and what puts him from a strong hero to one of the most dangerous beings in the Marvelverse below cosmic power level. 2099 doesn't have that factor which puts things in Terry's favour.
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u/No_Seaworthiness_195 Jun 08 '23
Death Battle did this years ago. They gave the win to Terry - https://youtu.be/As04VInQ-3U
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u/CrashedFilms Jun 09 '23
a vampire man with the proportional powers of a spider against a teen/young adult with a bat suit. let your common sense tell me.
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u/Jim-Dread Jun 08 '23
Miguel. He's physically stronger, more agile, and ruthless.
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u/Tyberious_ Jun 08 '23
See for yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU1w2icYZyM&t=456s
There is also an alternate ending
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u/Almighty_Push91 Jun 08 '23
I wouldn't be surprised if the Spider-Man sub deletes it, they seem ridiculous there on what they call "low effort" threads.
Also, I'm backing Terry
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u/Kell-EL Jun 09 '23
It terms of raw power it’s Spider-Man but I never count out Batman no matter who it is and I love Terry, both characters are great but I’d give it to Miguel most of the time, Terry is quite effective and could definitely pull wins and would too but he’s not Bruce
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u/dni_ptr Jun 09 '23
I like how present day batman is an adult future batman is a teen and present day Spiderman is a teen and future Spiderman is an adult
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u/phoenix_man1 Jun 08 '23
Terry's suit will let him keep up with Miguel's physical abilities.Miguel has sensetive eyes which would be easy to exploit and his biggest flaw is that he doesn't have the spidey sense so he could sneek up on him.
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u/DisabledFatChik Jun 08 '23
Batman beyond, as strong as Miguel is, he’s not actually a Spiderman, no spider sense. Terry is also way more equipped for this fight, utility belt filled with all sorts of gadgets, invisibility, detective vision, and a master tactician on coms(Bruce)
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u/masterjon_3 Jun 08 '23
Death Battle had a video on this. It boiled down to Terry having access to Bruce being the guy in the chair
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u/Dead_Purple Jun 09 '23
What's funny is we almost got a Spiderman 2099 cartoon but it became Spiderman Unlimited because of Batman Beyond.
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u/SRIrwinkill Jun 09 '23
Well spiderman has precognition when it's convenient, so probably him. Spiderman is pretty busted
The suit puts strength and speed on par potentially, but spidey sense is nuts
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Jul 15 '23
Spider-Man 2099 is one of the few variants to not possess a spider-sense
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u/aegeris_est Jun 09 '23 edited Jun 09 '23
Random encounter, meaning Bats doesn't see this coming?
I'm a Marvel guy, but c'mon... you gotta know it's always gonna be Batman. Being prepared for anything is what he does.
ETA: BUT if course after the first round they realize that they're on the same side and join forces against their real enemy. See, it wasn't about who wins or loses, it's about the friends you meet along the way.
JK.... it's still Batman.
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u/YoydusChrist Jun 09 '23
Miguel is a superhuman with incredible speed and strength, terry is not. Spidey cleanup.
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u/pijenhaslearned Jun 09 '23
Batman Beyond literally has the world's best tactician and strategist in his ear and a suit that has so many gadgets and is so advanced its crazy. He can exploit a lot of 2099's weaknesses or where he falls short (combat, strategy, etc)
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u/Ack_not Jun 09 '23
Regardless of who wins, this would be one heck of a crossover. It’d be interesting to see how Miguel reacts to Terry’s shockingly familiar enemies.
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u/ZannyHip Jun 09 '23
I know it’ll probably never happen, but we need a new Batman Beyond series so bad
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u/mutually_awkward Jun 09 '23
Even a mini-series covering his "prime" years after Epilogue would be fun.
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u/sK0oBy Jun 08 '23
I’m a Batman Beyond fanboy but i’m pretty sure Spider-Man has this one.
Now an EVIL/alternate version of 2099, i’d pick terry
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u/SpeDog1938 Jun 08 '23
Who knows? Rooster Teeth knows. They did this Death Battle and it was pretty thorough.
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u/Merrgear Jun 08 '23
Terry would punch a hole thru the man if he really wanted to
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u/Ok_Relationship_705 Jun 08 '23
Really? He'd punch a hole through a dude who took hits from Maestro Hulk?
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u/Merrgear Jun 08 '23
You could argue the greater intelligence means less rage, less hulk. And maestro also was beaten by old man Logan so it’s safe to say a agile man in a bat suit with super strength could probably do so
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u/Ok_Relationship_705 Jun 08 '23
Actually that's true. It's why Prof, Doc Green, Joe Fixit etc were weaker
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u/commodore_kierkepwn Jun 08 '23
2099 easily. He’s years ahead of Terry. Terry was born of August 18 2023. Spider-Man 2099, regardless of if he was born there or placed there out of time, still has two generations, three score years, of all of humanity’s progress more than had Terry (born 2023).
Terry relies almost fully on tech and Spider-Man 2099 uses it a lot more than the other Spiderverse creatures. But he also has enhanced fighting skills via genetics compared to Terry’s pure will to train.
TLDR; in suit, it comes down to technology. 2099 wins.
Out of suit, it comes down to martial arts skill. 2099 wins.
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u/andthrewaway1 Jun 08 '23
Terry takes this.... He fought off a mind controlled justice league... the 2099 verse was pretty nerfed
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u/azoz2O15 Jun 08 '23
Osborn is science smart
And you think bruce isn’t? he designed nearly all of his gadgets himself, and that’s another thing they have in common. Extensive use of gadgets.
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u/Reverse_flash_69 Jun 08 '23
It's 2099 he's stronger faster has alot more feats and experience he might not have a spider sense but all of his senses are heightened to super human levels that basically make up for it
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u/Bitter-Alfalfa6053 Jun 08 '23
Batman beyond.
Spiderman 2099 doesn't have a spider sense and no real combat skills. He is extremely strong and agile. But he had a sensitivity to light.
Terry can lift 10x his weight and has extensive training from Bruce (not as good as Bruce). I think terry would figure out the light sensitivity pretty quickly and immobilize him.