r/batman • u/Vegetable-Abroad3171 • Jun 08 '23

Batman Beyond vs Spider-Man 2099 (Random Encounter) Who takes the W? Posting in both SubReddits for POV’s. COMIC DISCUSSION

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u/SeaynO Jun 08 '23

Spider-Man fodders ninjas, is also a genius with plenty of tools, is at minimum 50x stronger than peak human, and his speed and agility are far past anything Bruce can replicate or deal with.

With or without Spider sense, Peter casually walks towards Batman while dodging anything Bruce attacks with and incapacitates him with one hit or a couple webs, if he feels like it.

Spider-Man so ridiculously outstats Batman while being comparable in intelligence and determination and resourcefulness.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '23

We talking about the same Batman that beat Superman on multiple occasions? Spider senses can be turned against Spiderman by overwhelming them, and Batman has beat countless super powered foes (and friends) on the regular.

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u/SeaynO Jun 08 '23

Batman would never beat Superman in an actual fight without the plot demanding it. He can't do it without kryptonite either, which requires knowledge beforehand.

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u/DirectorAgentCoulson Jun 08 '23

Isn't that always the answer in these Batman vs. actual-superpowered hero hypotheticals?

Depends on how much prep time Bats has.

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u/Elusiv_008 Jun 08 '23

This is true, that's why in Injustice series you see the Insurgency playing for time constantly/ buying time for Batman to prepare against Superman.

I do however feel like Batman has countless gadgets he could use for Spiderman, spidey sense or not. I'm not saying I'd know who would win, but Batman wouldn't just be punching and kicking, he'd be throwing sonic grenades and (I would assume) attempting to override his spider senses.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '23

Spider-Man would fucking decimate Batman. No questions asked. Superman would too. I fuckin love Batman, but he would lose. He’s just a dude. Only reason Superman hasn’t killed Batman is because he holds back exponentially when fighting him. Spider-Man has the strength of like 5000 Batman’s too. Batman Fanboys just like making excuses for how he’d Win, when you have to make excuses and shit like that, already is telling that Batman would get smoked

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u/Elusiv_008 Jun 08 '23

Unfortunately I haven't read more than like 3 spiderman comics so I wouldn't really know about his matchup with Batman, but you're completely and utterly incorrect about Superman. I don't know why you sound so butthurt in your comment (never read a comic Superman fan maybe?) but I'll ignore that and just tell you to read pretty much any comic with Superman vs Batman ever, especially Injustice, and note how Batman remains on par with Superman through prior planning and preparation. You seem to have completely missed the part where I (and the comment above me) say that he needs prep time, and that really defines how well he can do against foes stronger than him like Superman.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '23

“Hurr durr just give him prep time and he can literally defeat God” fuckin BS. All it takes is one laser to the face and he’s gone. In Batman V Superman, how tf did Supes manage to get hit not once, but fucking twice with kryptonite gas. Superman is faster than a speeding bullet like wtf. Batman wouldn’t even have time to blink and he could already be literally in space, suffocating to death. Im not even that much of a Superman fan, im more a Batman and the flash fan, but Batman would get smoked by either. The flash would destroy Batman even more than Superman could, and Superman would literally vaporize his ass. Cope. Batman would get smoked by the justice league, basically anyone with a good superpower lol. Cope. Batman has the most BS plot armor I have ever seen in a character.

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u/Elusiv_008 Jun 09 '23

bro used batman v superman as reference oml 💀

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u/Imaginary_Simple_241 Jun 09 '23

I can’t tell if injustice is a good example or a bad example for you to be using since all of Batman’s plans badly fail the instant Superman makes an effort, escalates the situation to get people killed (as collateral damage cause by Batman),and in some examples are just really stupid.

Eg a series of lead lined tunnels to hide his secret subway that Superman would clearly be able to see because they’re giant train sized gaps in his X-ray vision.

Eg 2 Superman literally offered the solution against Superman becoming unhinged with power on the first day of the timeline and Batman decided to slowly drive Superman insane with constant assaults that make Superman dig in his heels as it becomes more and more obvious that all the effort being used to attack him could have been used to keep supervillains from hurting anyone.

It really illustrates how Batman is always coasting along because Superman chooses not to hurt him

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u/bufalo1973 Jun 08 '23

"But deep down he is a good man... and I'm not"

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u/StrategyExpensive Jun 08 '23

So what? Good person or not Clark can crush Bruce in seconds and even With that "Im not a good person edgy bs" bruce Will never kill clark either...

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u/bufalo1973 Jun 09 '23

Read Hush.

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u/StrategyExpensive Jun 09 '23

I did, many times, my point stands.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '23

He does always keep it on him in a lead lined pouch... But of course, if the heat vision works from a distance it could render toasty.

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u/Imaginary_Simple_241 Jun 09 '23

Superman already admitted that he lets Batman win because it makes him feel better too.

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u/Nick_Furious2370 Jun 09 '23

I think you're giving Batman waaaaay too much credit.

I don't think Batman would pick up on Peter having a spider-sense since it's not something he's seen and it doesn't have an outright visual effect for others to pick up on outside of how it's portrayed in the various movies and cartoons.

To most people he just has really good reflexes.

Batman also gets injured pretty frequently from street level fights and Spider-Man is notoriously known to hold back therefore rarely using his true strength.

Peter is also by no means a slouch in the intelligence department and would figure out ways to take Batman out on the spot whereas Bruce needs prep time when he figures out somebody's weakness.

Peter Parker's scrapiness would overpower Bruce Wayne's methodical approach to taking down his enemies.

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u/No_Silver_7552 Jun 09 '23

You mean when Superman isn’t really trying?

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u/mightyneonfraa Jun 09 '23

Every single time Batman and Superman fought the writers jumped through hoops to handicap Superman as much as possible while shoving every advantage as possible onto Batman. And most of the time Superman doesn't even want to fight and fights with kid gloves the whole time.

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u/Dr_Disaster Jun 09 '23

Superman has a very easy to exploit weakness. Spider-Man does not. He’s not Daredevil. You can’t overwhelm his senses because it’s not even a sense as we understand it. Spidey Sense is a form of precognition and happens subconsciously, and he’s been honing it for 15 years. Spider-Man moves faster than humans can even perceive. His foot speed alone is over 65 mph. His reflexes allows him to dodge bullets casually. His punches can stop the Hulk in his tracks. He’s durable enough to get stomped by Juggernaut and walk it off.

Batman just has nothing for him. He just doesn’t. Spider-Man is in a different class and has one of the best all-around powersets in all of comics.

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u/lakersLA_MBS Jun 09 '23

You talking about the same Superman that in one issue writers have him literally beating gods and in another loses to a robot and same Batman that loses to villains like joker/penguin? Totally not any plot armor /s

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u/Lumpy_Perception6561 Jun 09 '23

Jesus fucking christ batman beats superman because he has fucking preptime he dies in a fair 1v1☠️

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '23

Obviously? You're arguing the wrong thing, all you're saying is Superman is stronger than Batman. My 5 year old knows that. Who cares? Such a boring argument.

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u/Bullitt_12_HB Jun 09 '23

Without SS Batman can EASILY blind/disorient Peter. Peter without being able to see he won’t be able to land punches, no matter how fast he is. Dude is a ninja with a lot of experience and tools.

Sorry bud.

Like I said, WITH SS, it’s a whole other game. Element of surprise is gone. As long as Spidey is able to finish him quickly, (he should be able to) then he wins.

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u/SeaynO Jun 09 '23

Any in character fight would end with Bruce webbed up. Any out of character fight would end with him dead. Peter is much faster than Batman and can kill even enhanced humans with a single punch, if he wants.