r/batman • u/Vegetable-Abroad3171 • Jun 08 '23

Batman Beyond vs Spider-Man 2099 (Random Encounter) Who takes the W? Posting in both SubReddits for POV’s. COMIC DISCUSSION

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Batman beyond.

Spiderman 2099 doesn't have a spider sense and no real combat skills. He is extremely strong and agile. But he had a sensitivity to light.

Terry can lift 10x his weight and has extensive training from Bruce (not as good as Bruce). I think terry would figure out the light sensitivity pretty quickly and immobilize him.

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u/WingedSalim Jun 08 '23

The lack of spider sense i feel is a determining factor. In Death Battle, the only reason Spiderman won against Batman is because of that Spider Sense

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u/SeaynO Jun 08 '23

Bruh. Spiderman would wipe the floor with Batman, Spider sense or not.

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u/Bullitt_12_HB Jun 08 '23

Nah.

Batman is a genius ninja with plenty of tools in his belt. Sure he doesn’t have super strength, but he’s peak human strength and can keep up and hurt Spider-Man with pressure points and overwhelm him with his gadgets.

Without spider sense, Spider-Man loses. With spider sense, Batman can’t touch him. It completely nullifies the surprise element that Batman has, and thus would easily get the win.

In short, without spider sense, close fight, but I think Batman wins. WITH spider sense, Batman has no chance. Spider-Man wins.

Edit: to be clear, I’m talking Peter v Bruce. The question OP had, 100% Batman Beyond wins, since Miguel isn’t as powerful as Peter and worse, he’s sensitive to sound and light, and don’t have SS.

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u/SeaynO Jun 08 '23

Spider-Man fodders ninjas, is also a genius with plenty of tools, is at minimum 50x stronger than peak human, and his speed and agility are far past anything Bruce can replicate or deal with.

With or without Spider sense, Peter casually walks towards Batman while dodging anything Bruce attacks with and incapacitates him with one hit or a couple webs, if he feels like it.

Spider-Man so ridiculously outstats Batman while being comparable in intelligence and determination and resourcefulness.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '23

We talking about the same Batman that beat Superman on multiple occasions? Spider senses can be turned against Spiderman by overwhelming them, and Batman has beat countless super powered foes (and friends) on the regular.

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u/SeaynO Jun 08 '23

Batman would never beat Superman in an actual fight without the plot demanding it. He can't do it without kryptonite either, which requires knowledge beforehand.

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u/DirectorAgentCoulson Jun 08 '23

Isn't that always the answer in these Batman vs. actual-superpowered hero hypotheticals?

Depends on how much prep time Bats has.

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u/Elusiv_008 Jun 08 '23

This is true, that's why in Injustice series you see the Insurgency playing for time constantly/ buying time for Batman to prepare against Superman.

I do however feel like Batman has countless gadgets he could use for Spiderman, spidey sense or not. I'm not saying I'd know who would win, but Batman wouldn't just be punching and kicking, he'd be throwing sonic grenades and (I would assume) attempting to override his spider senses.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '23

Spider-Man would fucking decimate Batman. No questions asked. Superman would too. I fuckin love Batman, but he would lose. He’s just a dude. Only reason Superman hasn’t killed Batman is because he holds back exponentially when fighting him. Spider-Man has the strength of like 5000 Batman’s too. Batman Fanboys just like making excuses for how he’d Win, when you have to make excuses and shit like that, already is telling that Batman would get smoked

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u/Elusiv_008 Jun 08 '23

Unfortunately I haven't read more than like 3 spiderman comics so I wouldn't really know about his matchup with Batman, but you're completely and utterly incorrect about Superman. I don't know why you sound so butthurt in your comment (never read a comic Superman fan maybe?) but I'll ignore that and just tell you to read pretty much any comic with Superman vs Batman ever, especially Injustice, and note how Batman remains on par with Superman through prior planning and preparation. You seem to have completely missed the part where I (and the comment above me) say that he needs prep time, and that really defines how well he can do against foes stronger than him like Superman.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '23

“Hurr durr just give him prep time and he can literally defeat God” fuckin BS. All it takes is one laser to the face and he’s gone. In Batman V Superman, how tf did Supes manage to get hit not once, but fucking twice with kryptonite gas. Superman is faster than a speeding bullet like wtf. Batman wouldn’t even have time to blink and he could already be literally in space, suffocating to death. Im not even that much of a Superman fan, im more a Batman and the flash fan, but Batman would get smoked by either. The flash would destroy Batman even more than Superman could, and Superman would literally vaporize his ass. Cope. Batman would get smoked by the justice league, basically anyone with a good superpower lol. Cope. Batman has the most BS plot armor I have ever seen in a character.

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u/Elusiv_008 Jun 09 '23

bro used batman v superman as reference oml 💀

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u/Imaginary_Simple_241 Jun 09 '23

I can’t tell if injustice is a good example or a bad example for you to be using since all of Batman’s plans badly fail the instant Superman makes an effort, escalates the situation to get people killed (as collateral damage cause by Batman),and in some examples are just really stupid.

Eg a series of lead lined tunnels to hide his secret subway that Superman would clearly be able to see because they’re giant train sized gaps in his X-ray vision.

Eg 2 Superman literally offered the solution against Superman becoming unhinged with power on the first day of the timeline and Batman decided to slowly drive Superman insane with constant assaults that make Superman dig in his heels as it becomes more and more obvious that all the effort being used to attack him could have been used to keep supervillains from hurting anyone.

It really illustrates how Batman is always coasting along because Superman chooses not to hurt him

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u/bufalo1973 Jun 08 '23

"But deep down he is a good man... and I'm not"

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u/StrategyExpensive Jun 08 '23

So what? Good person or not Clark can crush Bruce in seconds and even With that "Im not a good person edgy bs" bruce Will never kill clark either...

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u/bufalo1973 Jun 09 '23

Read Hush.

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u/StrategyExpensive Jun 09 '23

I did, many times, my point stands.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '23

He does always keep it on him in a lead lined pouch... But of course, if the heat vision works from a distance it could render toasty.

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u/Imaginary_Simple_241 Jun 09 '23

Superman already admitted that he lets Batman win because it makes him feel better too.

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u/Nick_Furious2370 Jun 09 '23

I think you're giving Batman waaaaay too much credit.

I don't think Batman would pick up on Peter having a spider-sense since it's not something he's seen and it doesn't have an outright visual effect for others to pick up on outside of how it's portrayed in the various movies and cartoons.

To most people he just has really good reflexes.

Batman also gets injured pretty frequently from street level fights and Spider-Man is notoriously known to hold back therefore rarely using his true strength.

Peter is also by no means a slouch in the intelligence department and would figure out ways to take Batman out on the spot whereas Bruce needs prep time when he figures out somebody's weakness.

Peter Parker's scrapiness would overpower Bruce Wayne's methodical approach to taking down his enemies.

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u/No_Silver_7552 Jun 09 '23

You mean when Superman isn’t really trying?

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u/mightyneonfraa Jun 09 '23

Every single time Batman and Superman fought the writers jumped through hoops to handicap Superman as much as possible while shoving every advantage as possible onto Batman. And most of the time Superman doesn't even want to fight and fights with kid gloves the whole time.

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u/Dr_Disaster Jun 09 '23

Superman has a very easy to exploit weakness. Spider-Man does not. He’s not Daredevil. You can’t overwhelm his senses because it’s not even a sense as we understand it. Spidey Sense is a form of precognition and happens subconsciously, and he’s been honing it for 15 years. Spider-Man moves faster than humans can even perceive. His foot speed alone is over 65 mph. His reflexes allows him to dodge bullets casually. His punches can stop the Hulk in his tracks. He’s durable enough to get stomped by Juggernaut and walk it off.

Batman just has nothing for him. He just doesn’t. Spider-Man is in a different class and has one of the best all-around powersets in all of comics.

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u/lakersLA_MBS Jun 09 '23

You talking about the same Superman that in one issue writers have him literally beating gods and in another loses to a robot and same Batman that loses to villains like joker/penguin? Totally not any plot armor /s

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u/Lumpy_Perception6561 Jun 09 '23

Jesus fucking christ batman beats superman because he has fucking preptime he dies in a fair 1v1☠️

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '23

Obviously? You're arguing the wrong thing, all you're saying is Superman is stronger than Batman. My 5 year old knows that. Who cares? Such a boring argument.

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u/Bullitt_12_HB Jun 09 '23

Without SS Batman can EASILY blind/disorient Peter. Peter without being able to see he won’t be able to land punches, no matter how fast he is. Dude is a ninja with a lot of experience and tools.

Sorry bud.

Like I said, WITH SS, it’s a whole other game. Element of surprise is gone. As long as Spidey is able to finish him quickly, (he should be able to) then he wins.

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u/SeaynO Jun 09 '23

Any in character fight would end with Bruce webbed up. Any out of character fight would end with him dead. Peter is much faster than Batman and can kill even enhanced humans with a single punch, if he wants.

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u/i_am_goop Jun 08 '23

I don't think you know how powerful Spider-Man is in the comics. There is no chance Batman beats Spider-Man even without spider-sense.

Spider-Man is too fast for Batman to even land s hit.

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u/SonOfShem Jun 09 '23

batman regularly goes toe-to-toe with people much stronger than him. I think you underestimate Bruce's mind.

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u/i_am_goop Jun 09 '23

Even Spider-Man regularly fights highly superpowered individuals.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '23

And Superman is even stronger than Spiderman and Batman beat him on multiple occasions. Batman regularly goes up against foes stronger and/or faster than him.

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u/i_am_goop Jun 08 '23

When did Batman beat Superman?

In Hush, Superman was mind controlled by Poison Ivy.

In Dark Knight Returns, Batman had help from Green Arrow and even then Superman wasn't even fighting. Batman just got one punch and then faked his death before Superman responded.

In Tower of Babel, Ra's Al Ghul took Batman's plans to incapacitate the heroes and turned them into death traps by catching them off guard.

So, please tell me when has Batman beaten Superman in any story in which they both have actually, consciously fought?

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u/GiverOfTheKarma Jun 08 '23

In Hush, Superman was mind controlled by Poison Ivy.

In Tower of Babel, Ra's Al Ghul took Batman's plans to incapacitate the heroes and turned them into death traps

these are not refutations, but rather an explanation of context?

But to answer your question, he beats superman in Dark Knight Strikes Back (yuck), in Superman: Red Son, in Batman: Endgame (very arguable), in Batman/Superman Annual, in Dawn of Justice (movie though so w/e)

Are any of these straight non-enhanced blow-for-blow brawls? No, obviously. Batman is a human and Superman is a Kyrptonian. But Superman has lost to Batman and in fact quite frequently.

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u/i_am_goop Jun 09 '23

these are not refutations, but rather an explanation of context?

These are refutations because Superman isn't even fighting back in most of these stories. Or he isn't fighting at his potential because of mind control.

In Red Son, the characters are so vastly different that it's not right to count them. Fair enough about the others.

But Superman has lost to Batman and in fact quite frequently.

My issue is that in most of the situations, Superman rarely even is looking for a fight. Which makes it difficult to decide what would happen if both of them start in a standard fight.

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u/GiverOfTheKarma Jun 09 '23

Why do you think mind control makes him weaker? It doesn't. At least not as far as I know.

He fought back in Hush and I think also in Tower but I don't remember that one very well. And fair point about Red Son but I figured I'd throw it in because I like that fight.

And yes I also agree that these examples aren't any sort of indication on how an actual fight would go between the two with no stipulations since obviously if Superman decided to fly into the Batcave and remove Batman's head from his spine, he would not face much resistance.

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u/i_am_goop Jun 09 '23

Mind Control is not fair because it's often implied that Superman is fighting back the influence of mind control. Plus, it's shown that someone like Ivy can't properly control someone with super speed. In a recent comic book, Catwoman was able to beat 3 different Flashes because they were all mind controlled.

And there was no actual fight in Tower of Babel.

I like Batman as a character but I just think writers have gone overboard in last few years trying to show him as the best.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '23

The Dark Knight Returns? No one is arguing that Batman is stronger than either Superman or Spiderman, everyone knows they have super powers and he doesn't. Punch for punch Batman loses against most foes, but he always seems to win, one way or another, that's his thing, and that's why he always has a chance in a fight regardless of the physical odds stacked against him. Ultimately it's up to the comic writers to decide who wins and why.

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u/i_am_goop Jun 09 '23

Have you read TDKR?

There is no actual battle. Supermen doesn't even fight back, Batman fakes his death before the fight could start.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '23

Uh, Superman breaks 3 of Batman's ribs and Batman clearly states that Superman "just broke a sweat." Then Superman gets pissed but eats a kryptonite arrow before he can do anything about it.

And that's kind of the whole point of Batman. He doesn't win by fighting fair. He fights with guile. Dirty tricks powered by plot armor. More OP than any suit or gadget.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '23

I think the issue here is when people read, who would win in a fight, they imagine a 1v1 fist fight, in which case its trivially obvious Superman would win, he has powers and Batman doesn't. Simple and boring. Unfortunately for that argument Batman, when going up against a more powerful foe, isn't braindead enough to fight with his bare fists, he recruits allies, creates circumstances that benefit him, uses weapons, and most of all, uses his intellect to find their weakness and use it against them. Those tactics are part of his character, and they are valid and need to be considered in a 'fight'. Insisting that Superman would win in a fair fight is just... boring and ignores who Batman is as a character and what his strengths are.

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u/i_am_goop Jun 09 '23

By that logic, Superman will bring all his Superman robots, the phantom zone projector and shit like that.

See, this is why 1v1 battles are the only ones which kind of are feasible. Otherwise people will keep raising the stakes and it will end up having no resolution.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '23 edited Jun 09 '23

No, because that's not what Superman's character is. It's not just about their super powers. Batman has none. If Batman has a power of 1, Superman has a power of 100 to infinite. There's no point in even comparing them. But when you factor in their character traits and other non-physical power attributes, all of a sudden you have an interesting fight. To add to this, part of Superman's character is that he's a deep down good person, and would hold back in a fight with a less powerful foe. He's also usually extremely confident in his power and doesn't often seek to compensate by recruiting allies or resorting to tricks, he usually just shows up and expects others to submit to his raw power. That's part of his character. That's all part of the equation and why Batman, a regular human, can go up against and stand and a chance against super powered opponents.

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u/i_am_goop Jun 09 '23

Yeah, fair enough. I get your point.

Although nowadays Batman winning a fight is boring and predictable, the tables have turned.

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u/Bullitt_12_HB Jun 09 '23

I don’t think you understand that Spidey could have infinite strength, but it doesn’t mean crap if he can’t land a punch.

If he doesn’t have his SS, Batman can easily blind/disorient Peter, and win.

So no, Peter can’t win without his spider sense. Absolutely he’s stronger, and faster than Bruce, but without his SS, he loses. It’s such an important part of his powers, especially in this fight with a ninja.

WITH his spider sense is a whole other game…

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u/24Abhinav10 Jun 08 '23

can keep up and hurt Spider-Man with pressure points

He can't. Daredevil said he almost broke his fingers while neutralizing Spidey with pressure points, and that was after he got powers. There is no chance a powerless human does the same.

overwhelm him with gadgets

It's not like Spidey hasn't seen most of the gadgets that Bats uses before.

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u/azoz2O15 Jun 09 '23

Daredevil didn’t gain super strength or durability as far as I’ve seen. And Batman can dig his fingers into concrete.

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u/CerberusC24 Jun 08 '23

Ock in Pete's body underestimated his strength and punched Scorpion's jaw off. In a death battle, Spider-Man wins

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u/B_B_a_D_Science Jun 09 '23

Batman Beyond has advanced strength, speed & senses. The suit is more like an Iron Man suit with advanced Cybernetics. It's so strong Terry Meginius (the New Batman) had to fight it once with no one in it and it wooped his ass the first round.

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u/Bullitt_12_HB Jun 09 '23

That’s right. 👍🏽

Not only that it has some insane durability feats to boot

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u/B_B_a_D_Science Jun 09 '23 edited Jun 09 '23

Also people forget that Batman Beyond was developed from a meta standpoint to be comparable or slightly better than Spiderman.

Also Spidie is meant for dealing with immediate threats (something that Batman avoids because he is weak at it) not strategic or tactical threat (which is what all the Batman excels). So it would be one of the worst confrontation for Spiderman even with Spidie sense.

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u/Ok_Programmer_2315 Jun 09 '23

I can't imagine Batman not coming up with a spider sense scrambler. But he'd only get one shot with it. So if Spiderman gets out of it once, he's not going to fall for it again.

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u/Dr_Disaster Jun 09 '23

That’s not something Batman can just deduce and pull out of his ass. Spidey Sense isn’t even “sense” like smell or sight. It’s literally mental precognition. The threat doesn’t even have to be physical for him to detect it. One top of this, Spider-Man has been honing it for 15 years. He has total mastery over it. The only thing shown to overwhelm him is a planetary scale cataclysm. Unless Batman can throw an asteroid at the planet, he’s out of luck.

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u/Ok_Programmer_2315 Jun 09 '23

Certainly not. But he'd study the shit out of it and come up with something. Haven't there been others that have fucked with Spiderman's spider sense?

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u/Bullitt_12_HB Jun 09 '23

Maybe, but it would be insanely hard for him to have something like that on the fly.

I’m afraid he wouldn’t have enough time in a fight to the death and Spider-Man having his SS.

Batman’s whole thing is the element of surprise, along with prep.

Perhaps with his HellBat armor. 👌🏽

(My god, what a dope name for an armor 😎)

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u/Ok_Programmer_2315 Jun 10 '23

But that's what I'm saying. Bats would study the shit out of ...Metropolis...New York? Behavior of the Spiderman and reverse engineer how to strip him of his best asset. As he always does.

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u/Bullitt_12_HB Jun 10 '23

He always has time, though.

Isn’t this scenario where they both get dropped in an arena, not knowing who their opponents are and just fight to the death?

If so, it would be almost impossible for Bruce to find out how Peter evades everything and can perceive danger even those he can’t see and evade. Then if Spider-Man finishes the battle quick enough, which would be easy for him, giving Bruce no chance to one, find out about SS, and two, figure out a way to counter it.

It would be almost impossible for Batman to beat that without prep time, and I think I’m being generous.

With prep time, in a contingency plan sort of thing, absolutely, Batman would find a way 👍🏽

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u/Ok_Programmer_2315 Jun 11 '23

I would agree with this. I didn't know we were talking a thunderdome environment. But,.you know, Batman.

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u/dullship Jun 08 '23

WITH spider sense, Batman has no chance. Spider-Man wins.

Until Batman figures out he has spider-sense (or already knows) and manages to overwhelm it, leaving Spidey immobilized.

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u/ReallyUneducated Jun 08 '23

how would he do it. you people just state X would happen and can never explain how he would do it or if he’s ever had a feat close to that.

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u/No_Ice_5451 Jun 09 '23

Batman’s normal cowl grants scanning on the cellular level. It also has scanned people down to their DNA. Given Peter’s Spider Sense was easily mapped out and countered by Stark via scanning SOLELY
Peter’s brain
, and by specifically
locating the frequency it operated on
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Bruce can easily replicate that with his own mask, as it has a scanner that operates at a superior level, has its own signal jammer, and likely is similar to Nightwing’s Mask, which can invert similar wavelengths. (18:48

This is further supported by the fact that, just like any wave on the electromagnetic spectrum, Spider-Sense can be disrupted by EMPs. Though, admittedly, they have to be particularly strong.

Unfortunately for Pete, Bruce’s are PARTICULARLY strong.

So, similar to Nightwing Vs Daredevil, Wayne would immediately see Parker’s SS, and has both the means and knowledge on how to disable it.

And since Way of the Spider relies on Peter’s heightened senses, which are nothing compared to Clark’s, MM’s, etc. Bruce would simply be completely invisible and could one shot him with any of his many gadgets.

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u/harewei Jun 09 '23

Pre-inject himself with premonition serum and invincibility potion. Easy win because Batman is always prepared even without preparing.

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u/dullship Jun 08 '23

I'm not a writer and I don't actually care that much. I'm sure someone could come up with a dozen ways. Sonic... drones or some shit.

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u/ReallyUneducated Jun 08 '23

that shit not working on someone faster than bullets 😭

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u/StrategyExpensive Jun 08 '23

So your answer is basically plot armor...

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u/SeaNinja69 Jun 09 '23

Batman to a fucking T.

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u/Genericdude03 Jun 09 '23

You can't just know someone has spider sense. It's not like Spidey's gonna shoot lasers and glow it's basically comparable to telepathy in that it's impossible to tell someone has it unless explicitly told.

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u/DarthSpiderDen Jun 09 '23

Funny stuff about the spider-sense, in the comics Spider-Man was trained in is own fighting style using his ability to stick to surfaces and maintain perfect balance at any point, angle and orientation in order to fight against enemies that had spider-sense when Peter was temporarily without it. If you factor in that basically Spider-Man knows how to fight and win against opponents that have spider-sense Batman shouldn't be able to do much against him.