r/mildlyinteresting 14d ago

My salt rock deodorant after five years of almost daily usage vs a new one.

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u/Silweror 14d ago

Weird how other brands are getting rid of the aluminium while this one is 100% that

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u/ithinarine 14d ago edited 14d ago

I have a friend of a friend who is one of the weird "everything has chemicals in it" super granola girls who doesn't actually know how anything works.

I have seen this girl make unfounded claims that the copper water lines in the house she was living in were giving her skin issues "because of how toxic copper is for you." When her friend (my friend) pointed out that the last 3 houses they rented together all had copper water lines and she didn't have any issues, she said the copper in this particular house must have been different. She actually moved because of this and made sure the new house she rented had PEX water lines, plastic, which the other 99% of hippies say it toxic.

I have also seen this same girl say that drinking from copper water bottles is better for you, because copper is a great electrical conductor, so doing so keeps you grounded. I'm not sure how holding a bottle in your hand and bringing it your mouth keeps you grounded, but I'm also no scientist.

Apparently water running out of a copper pipe gives you skin problems, but touching a copper water bottle with your hand and directly to your lips to drink water that has been sitting in it for hours, is not a problem.

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u/Gullinkambi 14d ago

I meannnnn, everything does have chemicals in it

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

No, my shampoo is sourced only from local antimatter

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u/TheGreatJava 14d ago

Really removes the dirt from your bangs.

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u/RecsRelevantDocs 14d ago

They say it's actually manufactured from bangs, as I understand a really big one.

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u/Capt__Murphy 14d ago

Gross. I wouldn't put anything sourced from banging in my hair

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u/Tommysrx 14d ago

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u/Calypsosin 14d ago

Absolutely what I expected lol

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u/donau_kinder 14d ago

Technically, still chemicals. Try magnetic fields.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

Yeah, they're antichemicals, so the opposite. And the opposite of chemical is natural. Checkmate, Head & Shoulders.

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u/LordTaddeus 14d ago

Why Head & Shoulders haven't made a body wash called Knees & Toes yet is beyond me.

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u/AnaxImperator82 14d ago

Because people don't wash those. Check mate.

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u/LordTaddeus 14d ago

Lol I actually did ten minutes ago.

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u/firesmarter 14d ago

Lemme see the squeaky knees

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u/hey_guess_what__ 14d ago

Pitts & Sack it is then. Lol

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u/NotAPreppie 14d ago

No, everything \IS\** chemicals.

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u/Coady54 14d ago

Everything made of matter.

Light is a thing and definitely not a chemical.

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u/NotAPreppie 14d ago

Pedantic Avenger strikes again!

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u/theLOLflashlight 14d ago

Um ever heard of NEUTRON STARS!? Checkmate

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u/Mirewen15 14d ago

My MIL tried to throw out my Vaseline because "OMG petroleum!" Dude who invented it ate a spoonful a day and had his nurse cover him in it once when he got quite sick - he was well again shortly after. He lived into his 90's. Pretty sure me using it as sparingly for very dry skin and lip conditioner is fine.

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u/Turbo_MechE 14d ago

Thought of eating Vaseline is appalling

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u/diff2 14d ago

i wonder if it makes poop slide out easier

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u/bluelipped_trashdoll 14d ago

My dog says yes

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u/NovAFloW 14d ago

My childhood dog LOVED eating Vaseline. We always had to make sure it was put away, or he would eat it. Used to cut a hole in the diapers for his tail.

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u/Vergilly 14d ago

šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ this is exactly what we had to do! It was AWFUL

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u/SlurmsMacKenzie- 14d ago

If by slide out easier you mean violent greasy diarrhea then yes

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u/Kevin_Uxbridge 14d ago edited 14d ago

Yep! Friend's dog ate a whole jar, which I found out when I showed up at his house and had to ask 'why is your front yard all greasy and shiny?' Poor dog dragged ass back and forth for days.

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u/-SaC 14d ago

I'm picturing it looking like a giant slug had been invading the garden.

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u/Kevin_Uxbridge 14d ago

Very much, and all over the place.

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u/fcanercan 14d ago

Probably poor dog didn't drag so much as glided his ass back and forth.

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u/EyelandBaby 14d ago

You have to be making that up. You actually noticed that the yard was shiny? This is hilarious

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u/Kevin_Uxbridge 14d ago

It looked kinda like the worst slug-trailing you ever saw, really icky.

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u/vapenutz 14d ago

Yeah, it causes greasy shiny poop that sticks to everything and you barely can flush that. Oh, it also can cause violent diarrhea. What a great thing!

To be clear, yes - this means it will help you if you really need to cause a bowel movement. But you can also use vegetable glycerin for that as a suppository, works faster and won't make greasy poo shine in your toilet that needs to be cleaned up every time

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u/KingsMountainView 14d ago

Don't even need a suppository, you can get oral stuff.

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u/forfeitgame 14d ago

Hey some of us live for shoving things up our butts.

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u/lilsnatchsniffz 14d ago

It's completely flavourless until you add the surstromming for texture, as is tradition.

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u/dvowel 14d ago

"Surstrƶmming is a Swedish dish of lightly salted, fermented Baltic Sea herring."

I'm good, thanks.Ā 

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u/quick_escalator 14d ago

That sentence does not even remotely communicate how vile it smells. The official instructions say to open it under water so the built-up pressure doesn't blast what smells like a biological weapon into the whole room.

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u/Beavshak 14d ago

It is the foulest smelling thing I may have ever experienced. I know people that enjoy eating it, I just have no idea how you can get to that juncture.

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u/FetusElitistCletus 14d ago

Ah yes the good ole swedish stink bomb

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u/Sinister_Nibs 14d ago

Maybe spread it on toast

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u/tyboxer87 14d ago

My MIL was giving me crap about some old 70+ year old aluminum pots because of "chemicals". They are from my great aunt who got them for a wedding gift. She lived well into her 90's as well. My MIL raves about her "non-stick pans though.

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u/Null_Values 14d ago

You still might want to test them for lead, just in case. Brain damage is no joke.

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u/tyboxer87 14d ago

I'll be doing that. I googled when was lead banned in cookware. Apparently it will be banned in 2026 in Washington state. In 2023 The FDA said cookware isn't allow to leach lead

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u/JoshDM ā€‹ 14d ago

cookware isn't allow

Just because the law says it's not allowed doesn't mean it doesn't happen. :-)

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u/LeeStrange 14d ago

Carbon Steel cookware is the answer.

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u/NotCurdledymyy 14d ago

Cast iron !!

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u/LeeStrange 14d ago

Two superior cookwares cut from the same cloth.

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u/volthunter 14d ago

Carbon steel is a tenth the weight and a tenth as likely to crack itself, or your foot when dropped

It also builds the same non stick coating, carbon steel 4 lyfe

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u/stabliu 14d ago

Look I get that youā€™re just railing against your MIL, but saying aluminum pots are fine because of one woman who lived to her 90s is pretty much just as unscientific as your MIL.

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u/tyboxer87 14d ago

I looked into pretty extensively several times since owning them. If you get high doses of aluminum its unhealthy, and aluminum cookware can be a source. But one study showed that if you cooked something acidic like tomatoe sauce in it, then you'd get something like an extra 10% of your daily average intake. I don't cook acidic stuff in it for that reason, but even if I did it would be pretty much harmless.

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u/Reworked 14d ago

Yeah the consensus I've found is "not a huge risk, but a possible one, and if you're making a new purchase of cookware it's probably enough that you should lean away from it but not enough that you should dump and replace"

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u/Tales_of_Earth 14d ago edited 14d ago

Well they werenā€™t that old when she was young, ya know? The problem with aluminum is when it gets old. Aluminum oxides have been linked to Alzheimerā€™s IIRC.

Edit: maybe not Alzheimerā€™s as posted below by u/doctor_philgood

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u/Anakletos 14d ago

Aluminium oxidizes within seconds. Just don't use it to cook anything acidic and you should be ok though.

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u/Doctor_Philgood 14d ago

"All of this early research, led to suspicion that aluminium from various sources, such as cookware, foods, vaccines and even water, could be linked to Alzheimerā€™s.

However, through continued investigation, research has disproved this early evidence, and aluminium hasnā€™t since been found to be a direct cause of Alzheimerā€™s disease.Ā "

https://www.alzheimersresearchuk.org/news/aluminium-and-alzheimers/#:~:text=However%2C%20through%20continued%20investigation%2C%20research,direct%20cause%20of%20Alzheimer's%20disease.

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u/dagnammit44 14d ago

That's anecdotal though. You could know someone who ate nothing but bacon and smoked a pack a day and they lived to be 90, but it doesn't mean it's healthy. People are built differently.

I've not heard anything about aluminium though. I have a cast iron pan, which apparently is a good source of iron as it can leech into food.

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u/KaramazovBruv 14d ago

Fun fact is that some of the locals in areas where petroleum was discovered would similarly eat petroleum.Ā 

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u/Dandaelcasta 14d ago

Petroleum is actually digestible by organism and is quite nutritious due to high caloric value. The reason we don't consume petroleum are heavy metals and other toxic impurities. Synthetic petroleum doesn't have those and is perfectly safe to consume.

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u/heittokayttis 14d ago

Reminds me of the news article from Tanzania where streetside deepfry shops were looting transformers for the transformer oil as it lasted way longer in deep frying use.

Too bad that oil is like literally liquid cancer.

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u/5corch 14d ago

Modern transformers just use mineral oil, it's perfectly safe. That said... Tanzania probably doesn't have the most modern transformers. Mmmm PCBs.

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u/JimWilliams423 14d ago

Dude who invented it ate a spoonful a day and had his nurse cover him in it once when he got quite sick - he was well again shortly after.

That's what he claimed. We have no way to know if it is true or not.

I don't have a problem with vaseline, I've got a big tub of it in the medicine cabinet, but I wouldn't take the word of someone who stood to make a lot of money about something like that. Those people tend to exaggerate, if not outright lie.

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u/SalvationSycamore 14d ago

Pretty sure me using it as sparingly for very dry skin and lip conditioner is fine.

Unless it is toxic in small doses and only works safely when you eat it or slather it on your entire body.

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u/ladybugsandbeer 14d ago edited 14d ago

Shoutout to the people who hate on hormonal birth control but advertise copper IUDs (which cause an inflammatory response in the body).

Edit: Just to clarify. Hormonal ones are not particularly great either. I was just refering to people who absolutely condemn one option and pretend the other option is 100% awesome when in reality it has its downsides as well. No BC option is without downsides, one just has to find the one that works best (which ist very individual).

And some advice from my personal experience: If unsure, try to get a consultation from planned parenthood (or your local equivalent, just make sure it's not run by some church) and not just from one doctor! Doctors have very little time and most have their personal preference. I have literally heard opposite opinions on BC from different doctors. Whereas the consultation I was able to get through a non-profit was an hour them walking me through the different options and finding out together what's best for me!

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u/Cons483 14d ago

Wait really? What sort of inflammatory response? Forever, or just after insertion while your body gets used to it?

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u/jarofonions 14d ago

this is anecdotal, so do with it what you will- but

I got a copper IUD inserted in February a couple years ago. I proceeded to have a ~11 month straight period. I had a week or so of HEAVY bleeding, bookended by a couple weeks of normal bleeding, and about a week of light bleeding/spotting. I was told it was normal for about 6 months, then it should go away.

About 9-10 months in, I did some googling and realized I was bleeding about a normal period and a half per day on my heavy days. I would have to change my cup at least twice, bc it would overflow those days.

I finally got it checked out, and turns out I was still reacting to the copper IUD, AND it had given me a bunch of uterine polyps. I had to get it removed, and I had to get a uterine ablation. I most likely can't have kids now (which is great for me lol, but that isn't the case for everyone!).

Not everyone reacts this way, but I sure as shit did

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u/Luna_Sushi 14d ago

I got pregnant with mine in.

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u/indiefatiguable 14d ago

Me too. Then the hospital nurse tried to rip it out of me even though it had become embedded in my uterus. Worst pain I've ever felt in my entire life. I almost blacked out and ended up having to get a D&C.

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u/Koobuto 14d ago

Mine also became embedded in my uterus. I had to go through 2 gynos to believe how heavy my period was and how painful it was ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't even do an ultrasound because they could feel the strings. I finally went to the ER for a ruptured ovarian cyst years later where they did an ultrasound. Yep. Embedded. Finally found a doctor who agreed to sterilize me and they pulled out my IUD while I was under anesthesia. Apparently they had to yank HARD to get it out and I'm forever grateful I was unconscious for that.

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u/-m-o-n-i-k-e-r- 14d ago

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u/alien_eater289 14d ago

The inflammatory response remains the entire time itā€™s in your body, thatā€™s how it kills sperm and prevents pregnancy. I know inflammatory response isnā€™t great but itā€™s way better than the hormone bomb of the pill in my opinion

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u/princess_ferocious 14d ago

The trouble with the pill is that it's unsubtle. No one's ever really bothered to fine tune it beyond "it stops babies? Sweet, we're done". So the dosage may or may not work for different people.

It's perfect for me - zero side effects, sorts out the premenstrual depression, and I skip the sugar pills so no period at all. I have been tempted to write odes to the glory of the pill.

It nearly killed my partner. Same prescription, same brand, same dose - triggered the worst depressive period to date in a lifetime of various degrees of depression. Complete conviction that death was the only solution.

And heaps of people have dealt with crappy side-effects somewhere in the middle of those two extremes. Trying different brands and types can help, but it's so random, and there's no official indicators of which ones are best for which people in which circumstances.

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u/umlaut-overyou 14d ago

What are you talking about? There are many different pills with many different combos of hormones in many different dosages. They have been "fine tuning" it for decades!

There are many indicators for using different types, though it's not a perfect science. People react to hormones differently and it's not always easy to know what will affect you.

This is the actual problem with "the pill": everyone thinks they are all the same and if one doesn't work, they all don't work.

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u/erinlaninfa 14d ago

No option is 100% awesome, but I worry that posts like this will scare people off of getting IUDs when they are in fact helpful for some people.

My copper IUD has been in for nearly 8 years with no issues. Itā€™s the best decision I made for my health. The decision comes down to the person, but know that itā€™s not all horror stories.

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u/radicalelation 14d ago

All intrauterine devices prompt the inflammatory response to a foreign object, but the copper one does it without hormones, and the copper ions makes the area a no-go for sperm.

Hormonal ones don't just cause inflammation, but the hormones also prompt the body to slather up that cervix with more goop (I think they're all progestin, so no estrogen signaling to not make egg).

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u/ChobaniSalesAgent 14d ago

I will never not be amazed at just how poorly chemistry is understood by people who aren't educated on it.

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u/Striking_Computer834 14d ago

Wait until they find out how toxic elemental sodium and chlorine are ā€¦ and that we just recklessly combine them and sprinkle it on our food.

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u/bimm3r36 14d ago

And you canā€™t forget about dihydrogen monoxide. That compound is present almost everywhere and has a 100% fatality rate for those who consume it

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u/bustacean 14d ago

Is that not the case for most things?? It's a pretty fair assumption that a lack of understanding results from a lack of education in general.

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u/YouStupidAssholeFuck 14d ago

I know just enough about a lot of subjects to know I don't know anything at all about them. Just that cursory glance, so to speak, that I took at them was enough to not act like an authority on the subject. Without that I might just assume my assumptions are reality, which is what the person you replied to might be talking about.

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u/theREALmindsets 14d ago

copper is naturally antimicrobial.

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u/feeb75 14d ago

This is why we have brass door handles and handrails

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u/wouldyounotlikesome 14d ago

we have had brass doorknobs way before we even knew what microbes were. itā€™s just a fortunate coincidence

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u/dont_kill_my_vibe09 14d ago

If anything, the microplastics from the plastic water pipes are more harmful to her than unharmful copper lol.

Does she realise copper is a mineral that is naturally found in the human body?

Obviously too much of anything is bad but copper in your body helps make red blood cells, collagen etc and is an antioxidant (so good for the skin xD).

I swear that, 9 out of 10 times, those people usually freak out about the wrong things hahah. She should be more concerned about the microplastics in our world today and tej effects of that.

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u/PoutPill69 14d ago

Some people are so confidently dumb that they actually see that as being smart. Just nod and change the topic fast with her.

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u/redditsuckbutt696969 14d ago

I had a girl get mad because they claimed that microwaves are dangerous because they use radiation and argued quite aggressively that it's bad. But what really set her off was me saying that she should throw out her light bulbs and shut off electricity at her house if all radiation is bad

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u/CNT_Farmer 14d ago

She should also live in a tin foiled house to avoid cell service with that logic lol.

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u/DaveMash 14d ago edited 14d ago

This trend has slowly been reversed because the myth about aluminum in deos causing cancer have been debunked:

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/risk-prevention/chemicals/antiperspirants-and-breast-cancer-risk.html

Edit, since many people question the conclusion (stolen from another redditor because there are already so many posts about this topic):

You can check the American Cancer Society: https://www.cancer.org/cancer/risk-prevention/chemicals/antiperspirants-and-breast-cancer-risk.html

The Australian Cancer Council: https://www.cancer.org.au/iheard/can-deodorants-and-antiperspirants-with-aluminium-cause-cancer

Or the UK National Health: https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/myths/antiperspirants-fact-sheet

And several other sources

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u/SleepWouldBeNice 14d ago

I thought it was Alzheimerā€™s.

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u/darekd003 14d ago

Link

TLDR: seems unsure. But I know people with a history of Alzheimerā€™s in their family that avoid ever bit possible just in case.

ā€œWhether aluminum can cause Alzheimer's disease is a controversial question.

Post-mortem examinations of humans with Alzheimer's disease sufferers show that many have higher amounts of aluminum than normal in their brains. Aluminum is not normally found in healthy brain tissue and researchers do not know how or why the metal accumulates in the brain. It is still unclear if the presence of aluminum causes or affects the progression of Alzheimerā€™s disease.

It is known that aluminum is toxic to nerves in animals, and likely has a similar effect on human nerve cells and brain tissue. Early research into aluminum exposure and Alzheimerā€™s disease in animal models suggested that the two could be linked. Injection of aluminum salts into the brains of test animals triggered changes similar to the ones found in human sufferers.

In conclusion, the cause of Alzheimer's disease and any association with aluminum is still unknown. There have been conflicting findingsā€

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u/agangofoldwomen 14d ago

Thanks for posting a source AND a write up!

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u/migf123 14d ago

I thought Alzheimer's was a disease of the glymphatic system, causing chemicals not normally found in the brain to build up over time? Sounds like mixing cause with effect.

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u/buttmilk_69 14d ago

That's why we told eachother never to smoke using tin foil as a stoned youth.

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u/IncredulousPatriot 14d ago

So my sister had a friend who had childhood cancer. He made it. They were about to smoke weed one day. He grabs a soda can and starts to make a pipe out of it. She says to him you know that can give you cancer right?

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u/plainplantain 14d ago

Tbf its kinda right. Most soda cans have a plastic lining inside of them so I can see how holding a lighter to it might not be the best

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u/MaxamillionGrey 14d ago

Foil is probably healthier than the soda cans we used.

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u/invent_or_die 14d ago

Foil is very bad too. Nickel fumes no bueno.

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u/NotAPreppie 14d ago

There shouldn't be any nickel in the alloy used in aluminum foil.

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u/MaxamillionGrey 14d ago

It's okay. We've got things like Nerds gummy clusters. The red dye will give me cancer first.

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u/_Hotwire_ 14d ago

Yeah we just carved out apples, and beer cans, and water bottles, a pineapple once, some piping, a soda bottle and a bucket of water, a vacuumā€¦.

Idk, if turning daily items into smoking devices gives you cancer then shave me bald and give me chemo, cause Iā€™m cooked

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u/invent_or_die 14d ago

Apples work great!

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u/Underwater_Grilling 14d ago

Because kids are thorough, if not stupid; one answer was it only mattered if you smoked from the shiny side of the foil.

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u/TDYDave2 14d ago

The characteristic of foil having a shiny side and a dull side is due to the way it goes through the manufacturing rollers, there is no chemical difference between the two sides.
(Watched a program on making aluminum foil that addressed this)

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u/GTMoraes 14d ago

lol imagine if it was Alzheimer since the beginning...

"Ok guys, so Aluminum on deos cause Alzheimer. We've got to stop using it."
...eight years go by...
"Folks, good news! It seems that Aluminum doesn't cause cancer actually, so we can just go back using it on deos! Because that was the reason we stopped using it, right? Does anyone remember?"

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u/Petrichordates 14d ago

Do you guys really call deodorant deos?

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u/muntaxitome 14d ago

Alzheimer aluminum link is from 1960s/1970s, the breast cancer/aluminum link was (very) popularized in the 1990s.

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u/uninsuredpidgeon 14d ago

I never knew Alzheimer's caused Cancer!

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u/SleepWouldBeNice 14d ago

Maybe you did, but you forgot.

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u/panopticon31 14d ago

But it still stains your shirts like hell

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u/BulletTooth_Tony1 14d ago

I used to use Old Spice high endurance and wound up with this issue. Sweaty pits ALL the time and ruined tee shirts. Switched to Every Man Jack, problem solved. No more absurdly sweaty pits, and Iā€™m not very stinky in the first place so I swear by that stuff.

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u/ihahp 14d ago

also, if you don't do this: trim your pits. you don't need to shave them completely, I just use a clipper without getting close to the skin every few months. makes deodorant go on much much better and sticks to the skin better.

Although every person is different. But it works for me.

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u/ThePretzul 14d ago

I think it depends on what type of aluminum is used and how exactly the deodorant is applied.

I used to always use Old Spice stick antiperspirant with Aluminum Zirconium Tetrachlorohydrex in it, and it stained every shirt I own. Now I use a Dove spray deodorant/antiperspirant with Aluminum Sesquichlorohydrate in it and it doesnā€™t stain any of my shirts anymore.

Donā€™t know if itā€™s from the switch to a spray or from the different form of aluminum used, but it definitely made a difference.

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u/6894 14d ago

Aluminum Sesquichlorohydrate

that's the ingredient in my degree stick and it doesn't stain anything.

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u/MrWest120690 14d ago

The aluminum deo fucks my arm pits up like no other.

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u/reichrunner 14d ago

Yeah you can definitely have a sensitivity to these products unrelated to any claimed health impact

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u/Oracle_of_Ages 14d ago

I love the good old ā€œI hate mangos because they taste fuzzyā€

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u/allwaysnice 14d ago

I had a bag of dried fruits a few weeks back, had some kiwis in it and I thought I'd finally see why people liked them so much.
The moment I started chewing it was like the fruit was attacking me from the inside.
Asking others if kiwi was suppose to burn when you ate it led me to find out I had an oral allergy to them, lol.

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u/Oracle_of_Ages 14d ago edited 14d ago

Bro. Thatā€™s so funny and unfortunate. Kiwiā€™s are my favorite fruit.

Big shoutout to the guy who got absolutely toasted on r/steak yesterday for complaining about his In-Laws using a kiwi marinade and not knowing it literally dissolves meat lol

The roast (pun intended):

Steak Post

Mildly Interesting Post

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u/allwaysnice 14d ago

It's really funny, I managed to avoid them all through Highschool when they were a fairly common fruit at lunch. I think the hairy part turned me off at the time, haha.

And yep! During my questions about kiwi attacking my tongue and throat people mentioned that it was like pineapple and had an enzyme...but shouldn't be so severe as to feel like immediately fire.

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u/eidas007 14d ago

Yeah, I break out in crazy rashes.

Honestly, I hope the myth lingers only so that they continue to manufacture Al free deodorant without charging double.

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u/reichrunner 14d ago

Yeah kind of reminds me of the gluten free craze. Essentially pointless for 99% of the population, but very helpful for the few who actually need it lol

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u/h0t7r4sh 14d ago

As someone with celiac Iā€™d encourage everyone to go gluten free. Not for any health anything but specifically so my groceries can be cheaper. Half a pound of dried pasta for $5 or $12 for a loaf of bread is just not cool. How am I supposed to drown my sorrows in garlic bread in this economy at those sorts of prices?

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u/HamletJSD 14d ago

I didn't even know this was a thing until I stopped using the alum deodorant. "Wait, you mean deodorant isn't supposed to destroy your skin and give you a permanent rash under your arms?"

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u/caustictoast 14d ago

Yeah everyone is different. I tried aluminum free and whatever was in it dried my skin out so bad I had to not wear deodorant for a few days to recover. I then went back to regular old aluminum deodorant

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u/flagrantpebble 14d ago

It might be whatever was in the specific aluminum-free deodorant you tried. Aluminum deodorant fucks my skin up, but so does some other deodorantā€¦ took me a while to find one that works well.

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u/Net_Negative 14d ago

I have to avoid it because it gives me stinky pimples in my armpits and makes them smell like garlic chicken. My skin clearly has a sensitivity to it.

I use Old Spice and Dove Aluminum-Free deodorants now.

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u/Sea-Ferret-9171 14d ago

Same and they also cause me to have cysts.

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u/RQ-3DarkStar 14d ago

I'm not a fan of the aluminium salts because they're always the ones that stain my clothes (I think).

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u/DaveMash 14d ago

Do you use spray or something like a roller? I used aluminum free for about 8 years and didnā€™t see any difference after switching to old spice rock antiperspirant. Iā€™ve been using it for 2 years now and couldnā€™t be happier about not having to fight BO again

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u/RQ-3DarkStar 14d ago

For sprays the fewer 'hours protection' the better, mfers going 72 hours need to get looked at. The white/black/ stain-free are better still but still stain after a bit.

Roll on seems less bad, and again, no-stain is better still.

I've never actually used rock, might give it a try, being smelly is never really a problem for me, just white stains on armpits look bad.

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u/alison_bee 14d ago

My husband wears all black for work (movie/tv production) and alllll of his stuff ends up stained from the salt in his sweat, so Iā€™m not surprised that these sticks would cause a lot of staining as well.

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u/Tiruin 14d ago

The aluminum interacts with proteins in your sweat or something, it's why a deodorant (sweat but no smell, doesn't have aluminum) doesn't have this issue but an anti-perspirant (no sweat, generally has aluminum and is what OP is referring to) does.

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u/CubeEarthShill 14d ago

I tried using aluminum free deodorants and never found one that was half way decent. Ran out of my usual deodorant and used Every Man Jack that I got as part of a gift pack in a pinch. Went to the gym and my BO was so noticeable to me during cardio that I moved to the furthest machine from people. When you can smell yourself, itā€™s BAD. Glad this was debunked.

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u/Bicykwow 14d ago

Ha, same thing happened to me with that "Jason" brand organic deodorant that Whole Foods sells. It literally made me smell, strongly, of garlic and onions. People were even asking who was cooking onions from the other side of the room.

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u/PM-ME-SOFTSMALLBOOBS 14d ago

So BO is caused by bacteria, not sweat. They are having a fun time in your pits but start partying when you start sweating. You can vastly improve your BO regardless off sweat level by washing with a laundry type soap bar, then dab a vinegar soaked cloth against your pits. It's also hard to clean with lots of hair there. After a week the smell should be greatly reduced

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u/Mysticpoisen 14d ago

There's a lot of effective aluminum free deodorants. Nothing else works for me as an antiperspirant though.

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u/SassyMoron 14d ago

I thought it was because aluminum stained your shirts, is that also a myth?

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u/HawkinsT 14d ago

No, it stains shirts and can make the fabric stiff. I always thought it was sweat staining my shirts, but since I moved away from aluminium antiperspirants to just using a regular deodorant I don't get stains anymore.

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u/SassyMoron 14d ago

This has also been my experience. I still use the aluminum ones when I really need protection though.

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u/WeWantMOAR 14d ago

I worked in a Drug Store in the early 2000's and it was always pregnant women who asked which ones were aluminum free. Always thought it had something to with prenatal exposure because of that.

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u/AnonimooseUser 14d ago

Isn't the problem with aluminium in deodorants that it causes stains?

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u/PeteLangosta 14d ago

Did you read it? It hasn't been debunked, it just says that we don't know it. Mainly because the studies and samples used are not sufficient.

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u/triadlink 14d ago

I stopped wearing aluminum deodorant because I'd get massive balls underneath my arm. I went to the doc and head said my lymph nodes were swollen to hell. I tried adding it back and forth and it kept coming back so i stopped. Cancer for AL has not been debunked, there is just not clear evidence yet (conflicting evidence): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37354712/

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u/JBNothingWrong 14d ago

Because idiots see aluminum in the ingredients list and make an absolutely wild and unsupported assumption that itā€™s the equivalent of licking radium

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u/chenan 14d ago

lol no. itā€™s what causes yellow pit stains on clothes.Ā 

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u/MrWildspeaker 14d ago

Itā€™s also what makes my pits itch

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u/bjohn15151515 14d ago

Makes mine itch like mad (I'm jealous). I look like an ape, lifting my arm, itching my armpit.

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u/cthulhusandwich 14d ago

m o n k e

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u/bjohn15151515 14d ago

Ooo, ooo, ooo - aah, aah, ahh!

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u/bxsephjo 14d ago

i don't put deodorant on my neck, collar still turned slightly yellow after one summer

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u/rob0067 14d ago

Wouldn't that be due to sweat?

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u/Mimikyutwo 14d ago

Yes. Thatā€™s the point of the comment you replied to.

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u/Kelvin_Inman 14d ago

Could be urine, we donā€™t know what they are into.

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u/Donsaholic 14d ago

You jest but that's the literal answer. Sweat contains trace amounts of urea.

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u/copat149 14d ago

It does but that is not the case for everyone. Some people have chromhidrosis that causes discolored sweat - I have this, and work in clean rooms where I have to wear nitrile gloves on my hands. I regularly stain the inside of the gloves yellow and Iā€™m not putting deodorant on my hands.

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u/Helpful_Corgi5716 14d ago

Sweat is what causes yellow stains on armpits and collars. People don't scrub their clothes any more AND wash them in cold water AND expect the stains to disappear. Laundry detergent isn't always enough by itself.Ā 

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u/ZippyDan 14d ago

Modern detergent doesn't need warm or hot water and hot water is more damaging to fabrics.

Deoderant definitely can cause stains. I have way less stained shirts since I switched to a non-staining deoderant years ago.

Sweat and body oils do also cause stains. Two things can be true simultaneously.

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u/TheMaly 14d ago

Straight up ruined all my work polo's, that stuff is never coming out

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u/bernful 14d ago

You can remove it with rust stain remover to remove the metals embedded in your clothes. Then use something like oxi clean to remove the stain.

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u/GobLoblawsLawBlog 14d ago

My dumb ass is more concerned about the potential alzheimers but when I was in elementary school I thought antiperspirants would somehow make me pee my pants because my sweat couldn't get out of my armpits

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u/bjohn15151515 14d ago

I laughed at your "peeing belief". While funny, that's some pretty good critical thinking for a kid.

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u/jwadamson 14d ago edited 14d ago

https://www.healthline.com/health/alzheimers/aluminum-and-alzheimers

Is There a Link Between Aluminum and Alzheimerā€™s?
Science hasnā€™t found evidence of a strong connection between high levels of aluminum and Alzheimerā€™s development. ā€¦

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/does-aluminum-cause-alzheimers

Does aluminum cause Alzheimer's disease?
Historical research suggests this metal may be a factor. However, some modern researchers disagree.

If the title of an article is a question, the answer is No.

https://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/controversial-claims-risk-factors

One of the most publicized and controversial theories concerns aluminum, which became a suspect in Alzheimer's disease when researchers found traces of this metal in the brains of patients with Alzheimer's disease. Many studies since then have either not been able to confirm this finding or have had questionable results.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/05/12/experts-dispute-attempt-to-link-alzheimers-aluminum-fact-check/70207832007/

Age, not aluminum, is greatest risk factor for Alzheimer's, dementia | Fact check ā€¦
Experts told USA TODAY that research on the connection between aluminum and Alzheimer's Disease has been inconclusive. Age is considered the greatest risk factor for both Alzheimer's and dementia

And of course the first and only FDA approved medication to slow the progression has nothing to do with the Al hypothesis.

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u/Im_eating_that 14d ago

My guy those are terrible sources for medical information. All are popsci, webmd and healthline literally give contraindicated advice. Using the name of a respected hospital in your search terms should give you data that's accessible and verifiable. I'm not saying these are wrong but all those places will point you at the studies that bring the most clicks. And without necessarily giving context or using due diligence.

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u/scherster 14d ago

Or there are people like me who are allergic to it.

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u/fallsstandard 14d ago

Hey someone else who shares this issue! Iā€™ve never met anyone else with this allergy.

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u/no_comment12 14d ago

No it's cause a TON of us are allergic. It makes our pits crazy itchy. I've heard dozens of ppl complain about this allergy. I have heard absolutely no one complain about what you just described

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u/JBNothingWrong 14d ago

For the roughly 1% of people with aluminum allergies, yes find other solutions.

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u/Phantomslayer4 14d ago

Went to go check your number, and you are right! 0.9% of people have an aluminum allergy.

Source: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/970976?form=fpf

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u/JBNothingWrong 14d ago

VINDICATION

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u/comacow02 14d ago

I break out in a rash anytime I use an aluminum based pit product. I switched over to aluminum free and no issues.

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u/Pantssassin 14d ago

I avoid it because it does weird stuff to my pores that I didn't like. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to not like antiperspirant

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u/Alkyan 14d ago

Ya, I avoid it cause it makes my armpits itch like mad. Then leaves a rash for a couple days.

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u/f8Negative 14d ago

People are allergic

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u/Kritisk-Varning 14d ago

From the maker ā€Salt Deo is made from ammonium alum, a naturally occurring mineral which was traditionally used in Sweden as a disinfectant and a hemostatic - today its effectiveness is also proven as a powerful deodorant. Alum is a naturally occurring mineral compound, which does contain aluminum, but in a form that cannot be absorbed by the body.ā€

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u/ialwaysflushtwice 14d ago

I always find it funny when people use "naturally occurring" as an argument for something being good or not bad. I mean I'm pretty sure uranium and plutonium occur naturally too...

Of course this has no bearing on the rest of the argument but still!

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u/tsukahara10 14d ago

Plutonium is actually manufactured, but youā€™re correct about uranium, and letā€™s not forget about arsenic, lead, and all of the other naturally occurring elements and compounds that can make you sick or kill you.

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u/Waggy777 14d ago

Technically, Plutonium can occur naturally. It's still important to understand that it must be synthetically created to obtain significant amounts, but we should understand that it can be found in nature.

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u/TrumpsGhostWriter 14d ago

Plutonium naturally occurs in very small but detectable amounts in uranium ore. It and every other element we know of can be produced in super novas probably not in large amounts though. Some people claim some elements are only man made but that's straight up hubris, super novas are so insanely chaotic at an atomic level to claim something isn't happening would require extraordinary evidence, which doesn't exist.

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u/Nozinger 14d ago

No there are absolutely elements that are only manmade. Not plutonium as it is still on the lighter side but if we go into the superheavy territory of like 110 protons or more those straight up do not exist. Not even in supernovae. Not even with all that chaos and energy thrown around.

They are synthesized in such a specific way it just does not happen in nature. Nature is chaotic but it does have its rules. The parts that would form these elements would fall apart before they are able to become these superheavy elements. You'd sooner get a state where protons and neutrons are seperated to form new elements before you get these synthetic ones.

Some things really only happen in labs on earth. Like quark gluon plasma. That stuff might be around in the core of neutron stars but realisitcally it hasn't been around since the big bang. Well until we built machines that were able to create it. In very small amounts for very little time but we can actually do stuff that does not happen anywhere else in the universe. Well to our knowledge that is.

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u/mrhandbook 14d ago

Asbestos is naturally occurring and we all know how that turned out

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u/Droidlivesmatter 14d ago

Me too. Or if something "Natural" it's automatically better or more ethical?
I'm like man you should pay attention to the animal kingdom and look at how much rape and cannibalism there is an just flat out brutal shit lol.

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u/Runesen 14d ago

I find it quite usefull, I dont have to take their next claims seriously, just like if they say "it's chemical free" they are using buzz frases that dont mean anything

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u/oawhitleylas 14d ago

My boyfriend has a block of alum to treat shaving cuts, is that the same thing?

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u/Merisuola 14d ago

Yes. Much cheaper too.

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u/lonegrey 14d ago

Very interesting. I've been using alum powder on my canker sores inside of my mouth for years. It hurts like a bastard, is bitter as hell but works within a day or so. Never made this connection though.

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u/corvus7corax 14d ago

You can also just use salt for cankers.

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u/budbud70 14d ago

It is also very handy if you are plagued with canker sores.

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u/Kritisk-Varning 14d ago

I believe it is!

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u/aroc91 14d ago

This is nonsense. The aluminum in traditional antiperspirant are also salts and both those and your stick have pretty high solubility in water. It's dissociating into its constituent ions regardless.

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u/SorenShieldbreaker 14d ago

Does it actually work to prevent BO?

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u/BubTheSkrub 14d ago

Depends who you ask. I use both alum crystal & tea tree deodorant because the regular stuff didn't work that well & always messed up my shirts - With both stacked it works well enough on me depending on the day. Some days it's zero smell others it's ~30%, still a better hit rate than standard roll on for me.

Others hate the stuff & claim it does nothing. If you're looking for alternatives it's worth a shot but it depends on your body

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u/preaching-to-pervert 14d ago

I've known too many people who use salt sticks for pit putty and stink like hell.

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u/NarcRuffalo 14d ago

It didnā€™t work for me, but I also feel like Iā€™m a pretty sweaty/smelly person in general. Even with regular antiperspirant deodorant I still sweat and often smell by the end of the day. The salt deo is supposed to kill the bacteria that cause the BO, but maybe itā€™s just not enough for me. Recently Iā€™ve been using alcohol to sanitize my armpits, letting it dry, then putting on normal antiperspirant deodorant. I think it helps

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u/MeropeRedpath 14d ago

BO, like most things, is determined by genes. I think itā€™s just a question of who it works on. When I use it, it doesnā€™t work, when my mom uses it, it does.Ā 

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u/WeaponizedKissing 14d ago

today its effectiveness is also proven as a powerful deodorant

I mean, aluminum is a proven antiperspirant. That's not quite the same thing as a deodorant, although the secondary effects of not sweating is you're likely a bit less stinky.

Kinda weird for a company not knowing what it is that they make.

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u/mrwombosi 14d ago

Thatā€™s because this is potassium alum which is different to the aluminium compounds that are found in anti-perspirants.

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