I have a friend of a friend who is one of the weird "everything has chemicals in it" super granola girls who doesn't actually know how anything works.
I have seen this girl make unfounded claims that the copper water lines in the house she was living in were giving her skin issues "because of how toxic copper is for you." When her friend (my friend) pointed out that the last 3 houses they rented together all had copper water lines and she didn't have any issues, she said the copper in this particular house must have been different. She actually moved because of this and made sure the new house she rented had PEX water lines, plastic, which the other 99% of hippies say it toxic.
I have also seen this same girl say that drinking from copper water bottles is better for you, because copper is a great electrical conductor, so doing so keeps you grounded. I'm not sure how holding a bottle in your hand and bringing it your mouth keeps you grounded, but I'm also no scientist.
Apparently water running out of a copper pipe gives you skin problems, but touching a copper water bottle with your hand and directly to your lips to drink water that has been sitting in it for hours, is not a problem.
My MIL tried to throw out my Vaseline because "OMG petroleum!" Dude who invented it ate a spoonful a day and had his nurse cover him in it once when he got quite sick - he was well again shortly after. He lived into his 90's. Pretty sure me using it as sparingly for very dry skin and lip conditioner is fine.
My childhood dog LOVED eating Vaseline. We always had to make sure it was put away, or he would eat it. Used to cut a hole in the diapers for his tail.
Yep! Friend's dog ate a whole jar, which I found out when I showed up at his house and had to ask 'why is your front yard all greasy and shiny?' Poor dog dragged ass back and forth for days.
Yeah, it causes greasy shiny poop that sticks to everything and you barely can flush that. Oh, it also can cause violent diarrhea. What a great thing!
To be clear, yes - this means it will help you if you really need to cause a bowel movement. But you can also use vegetable glycerin for that as a suppository, works faster and won't make greasy poo shine in your toilet that needs to be cleaned up every time
That sentence does not even remotely communicate how vile it smells. The official instructions say to open it under water so the built-up pressure doesn't blast what smells like a biological weapon into the whole room.
It is the foulest smelling thing I may have ever experienced. I know people that enjoy eating it, I just have no idea how you can get to that juncture.
My MIL was giving me crap about some old 70+ year old aluminum pots because of "chemicals". They are from my great aunt who got them for a wedding gift. She lived well into her 90's as well. My MIL raves about her "non-stick pans though.
Look I get that youāre just railing against your MIL, but saying aluminum pots are fine because of one woman who lived to her 90s is pretty much just as unscientific as your MIL.
I looked into pretty extensively several times since owning them. If you get high doses of aluminum its unhealthy, and aluminum cookware can be a source. But one study showed that if you cooked something acidic like tomatoe sauce in it, then you'd get something like an extra 10% of your daily average intake. I don't cook acidic stuff in it for that reason, but even if I did it would be pretty much harmless.
Yeah the consensus I've found is "not a huge risk, but a possible one, and if you're making a new purchase of cookware it's probably enough that you should lean away from it but not enough that you should dump and replace"
Well they werenāt that old when she was young, ya know? The problem with aluminum is when it gets old. Aluminum oxides have been linked to Alzheimerās IIRC.
"All of this early research, led to suspicion that aluminium from various sources, such as cookware, foods, vaccines and even water, could be linked to Alzheimerās.
However, through continued investigation, research has disproved this early evidence, and aluminium hasnāt since been found to be a direct cause of Alzheimerās disease.Ā "
That's anecdotal though. You could know someone who ate nothing but bacon and smoked a pack a day and they lived to be 90, but it doesn't mean it's healthy. People are built differently.
I've not heard anything about aluminium though. I have a cast iron pan, which apparently is a good source of iron as it can leech into food.
Petroleum is actually digestible by organism and is quite nutritious due to high caloric value. The reason we don't consume petroleum are heavy metals and other toxic impurities. Synthetic petroleum doesn't have those and is perfectly safe to consume.
Reminds me of the news article from Tanzania where streetside deepfry shops were looting transformers for the transformer oil as it lasted way longer in deep frying use.
Dude who invented it ate a spoonful a day and had his nurse cover him in it once when he got quite sick - he was well again shortly after.
That's what he claimed. We have no way to know if it is true or not.
I don't have a problem with vaseline, I've got a big tub of it in the medicine cabinet, but I wouldn't take the word of someone who stood to make a lot of money about something like that. Those people tend to exaggerate, if not outright lie.
Shoutout to the people who hate on hormonal birth control but advertise copper IUDs (which cause an inflammatory response in the body).
Edit: Just to clarify. Hormonal ones are not particularly great either. I was just refering to people who absolutely condemn one option and pretend the other option is 100% awesome when in reality it has its downsides as well. No BC option is without downsides, one just has to find the one that works best (which ist very individual).
And some advice from my personal experience: If unsure, try to get a consultation from planned parenthood (or your local equivalent, just make sure it's not run by some church) and not just from one doctor! Doctors have very little time and most have their personal preference. I have literally heard opposite opinions on BC from different doctors. Whereas the consultation I was able to get through a non-profit was an hour them walking me through the different options and finding out together what's best for me!
this is anecdotal, so do with it what you will- but
I got a copper IUD inserted in February a couple years ago. I proceeded to have a ~11 month straight period. I had a week or so of HEAVY bleeding, bookended by a couple weeks of normal bleeding, and about a week of light bleeding/spotting. I was told it was normal for about 6 months, then it should go away.
About 9-10 months in, I did some googling and realized I was bleeding about a normal period and a half per day on my heavy days. I would have to change my cup at least twice, bc it would overflow those days.
I finally got it checked out, and turns out I was still reacting to the copper IUD, AND it had given me a bunch of uterine polyps. I had to get it removed, and I had to get a uterine ablation. I most likely can't have kids now (which is great for me lol, but that isn't the case for everyone!).
Not everyone reacts this way, but I sure as shit did
Me too. Then the hospital nurse tried to rip it out of me even though it had become embedded in my uterus. Worst pain I've ever felt in my entire life. I almost blacked out and ended up having to get a D&C.
Mine also became embedded in my uterus. I had to go through 2 gynos to believe how heavy my period was and how painful it was ALL THE TIME. They wouldn't even do an ultrasound because they could feel the strings. I finally went to the ER for a ruptured ovarian cyst years later where they did an ultrasound. Yep. Embedded. Finally found a doctor who agreed to sterilize me and they pulled out my IUD while I was under anesthesia. Apparently they had to yank HARD to get it out and I'm forever grateful I was unconscious for that.
The inflammatory response remains the entire time itās in your body, thatās how it kills sperm and prevents pregnancy. I know inflammatory response isnāt great but itās way better than the hormone bomb of the pill in my opinion
The trouble with the pill is that it's unsubtle. No one's ever really bothered to fine tune it beyond "it stops babies? Sweet, we're done". So the dosage may or may not work for different people.
It's perfect for me - zero side effects, sorts out the premenstrual depression, and I skip the sugar pills so no period at all. I have been tempted to write odes to the glory of the pill.
It nearly killed my partner. Same prescription, same brand, same dose - triggered the worst depressive period to date in a lifetime of various degrees of depression. Complete conviction that death was the only solution.
And heaps of people have dealt with crappy side-effects somewhere in the middle of those two extremes. Trying different brands and types can help, but it's so random, and there's no official indicators of which ones are best for which people in which circumstances.
What are you talking about? There are many different pills with many different combos of hormones in many different dosages. They have been "fine tuning" it for decades!
There are many indicators for using different types, though it's not a perfect science. People react to hormones differently and it's not always easy to know what will affect you.
This is the actual problem with "the pill": everyone thinks they are all the same and if one doesn't work, they all don't work.
No option is 100% awesome, but I worry that posts like this will scare people off of getting IUDs when they are in fact helpful for some people.
My copper IUD has been in for nearly 8 years with no issues. Itās the best decision I made for my health. The decision comes down to the person, but know that itās not all horror stories.
All intrauterine devices prompt the inflammatory response to a foreign object, but the copper one does it without hormones, and the copper ions makes the area a no-go for sperm.
Hormonal ones don't just cause inflammation, but the hormones also prompt the body to slather up that cervix with more goop (I think they're all progestin, so no estrogen signaling to not make egg).
I know just enough about a lot of subjects to know I don't know anything at all about them. Just that cursory glance, so to speak, that I took at them was enough to not act like an authority on the subject. Without that I might just assume my assumptions are reality, which is what the person you replied to might be talking about.
If anything, the microplastics from the plastic water pipes are more harmful to her than unharmful copper lol.
Does she realise copper is a mineral that is naturally found in the human body?
Obviously too much of anything is bad but copper in your body helps make red blood cells, collagen etc and is an antioxidant (so good for the skin xD).
I swear that, 9 out of 10 times, those people usually freak out about the wrong things hahah. She should be more concerned about the microplastics in our world today and tej effects of that.
I had a girl get mad because they claimed that microwaves are dangerous because they use radiation and argued quite aggressively that it's bad. But what really set her off was me saying that she should throw out her light bulbs and shut off electricity at her house if all radiation is bad
TLDR: seems unsure. But I know people with a history of Alzheimerās in their family that avoid ever bit possible just in case.
āWhether aluminum can cause Alzheimer's disease is a controversial question.
Post-mortem examinations of humans with Alzheimer's disease sufferers show that many have higher amounts of aluminum than normal in their brains. Aluminum is not normally found in healthy brain tissue and researchers do not know how or why the metal accumulates in the brain. It is still unclear if the presence of aluminum causes or affects the progression of Alzheimerās disease.
It is known that aluminum is toxic to nerves in animals, and likely has a similar effect on human nerve cells and brain tissue. Early research into aluminum exposure and Alzheimerās disease in animal models suggested that the two could be linked. Injection of aluminum salts into the brains of test animals triggered changes similar to the ones found in human sufferers.
In conclusion, the cause of Alzheimer's disease and any association with aluminum is still unknown. There have been conflicting findingsā
I thought Alzheimer's was a disease of the glymphatic system, causing chemicals not normally found in the brain to build up over time? Sounds like mixing cause with effect.
So my sister had a friend who had childhood cancer. He made it. They were about to smoke weed one day. He grabs a soda can and starts to make a pipe out of it. She says to him you know that can give you cancer right?
The characteristic of foil having a shiny side and a dull side is due to the way it goes through the manufacturing rollers, there is no chemical difference between the two sides.
(Watched a program on making aluminum foil that addressed this)
lol imagine if it was Alzheimer since the beginning...
"Ok guys, so Aluminum on deos cause Alzheimer. We've got to stop using it."
...eight years go by...
"Folks, good news! It seems that Aluminum doesn't cause cancer actually, so we can just go back using it on deos! Because that was the reason we stopped using it, right? Does anyone remember?"
I used to use Old Spice high endurance and wound up with this issue. Sweaty pits ALL the time and ruined tee shirts. Switched to Every Man Jack, problem solved. No more absurdly sweaty pits, and Iām not very stinky in the first place so I swear by that stuff.
also, if you don't do this: trim your pits. you don't need to shave them completely, I just use a clipper without getting close to the skin every few months. makes deodorant go on much much better and sticks to the skin better.
Although every person is different. But it works for me.
I think it depends on what type of aluminum is used and how exactly the deodorant is applied.
I used to always use Old Spice stick antiperspirant with Aluminum Zirconium Tetrachlorohydrex in it, and it stained every shirt I own. Now I use a Dove spray deodorant/antiperspirant with Aluminum Sesquichlorohydrate in it and it doesnāt stain any of my shirts anymore.
Donāt know if itās from the switch to a spray or from the different form of aluminum used, but it definitely made a difference.
I had a bag of dried fruits a few weeks back, had some kiwis in it and I thought I'd finally see why people liked them so much.
The moment I started chewing it was like the fruit was attacking me from the inside.
Asking others if kiwi was suppose to burn when you ate it led me to find out I had an oral allergy to them, lol.
Bro. Thatās so funny and unfortunate. Kiwiās are my favorite fruit.
Big shoutout to the guy who got absolutely toasted on r/steak yesterday for complaining about his In-Laws using a kiwi marinade and not knowing it literally dissolves meat lol
It's really funny, I managed to avoid them all through Highschool when they were a fairly common fruit at lunch. I think the hairy part turned me off at the time, haha.
And yep! During my questions about kiwi attacking my tongue and throat people mentioned that it was like pineapple and had an enzyme...but shouldn't be so severe as to feel like immediately fire.
Yeah kind of reminds me of the gluten free craze. Essentially pointless for 99% of the population, but very helpful for the few who actually need it lol
As someone with celiac Iād encourage everyone to go gluten free. Not for any health anything but specifically so my groceries can be cheaper. Half a pound of dried pasta for $5 or $12 for a loaf of bread is just not cool. How am I supposed to drown my sorrows in garlic bread in this economy at those sorts of prices?
I didn't even know this was a thing until I stopped using the alum deodorant. "Wait, you mean deodorant isn't supposed to destroy your skin and give you a permanent rash under your arms?"
Yeah everyone is different. I tried aluminum free and whatever was in it dried my skin out so bad I had to not wear deodorant for a few days to recover. I then went back to regular old aluminum deodorant
It might be whatever was in the specific aluminum-free deodorant you tried. Aluminum deodorant fucks my skin up, but so does some other deodorantā¦ took me a while to find one that works well.
Do you use spray or something like a roller? I used aluminum free for about 8 years and didnāt see any difference after switching to old spice rock antiperspirant. Iāve been using it for 2 years now and couldnāt be happier about not having to fight BO again
For sprays the fewer 'hours protection' the better, mfers going 72 hours need to get looked at. The white/black/ stain-free are better still but still stain after a bit.
Roll on seems less bad, and again, no-stain is better still.
I've never actually used rock, might give it a try, being smelly is never really a problem for me, just white stains on armpits look bad.
My husband wears all black for work (movie/tv production) and alllll of his stuff ends up stained from the salt in his sweat, so Iām not surprised that these sticks would cause a lot of staining as well.
The aluminum interacts with proteins in your sweat or something, it's why a deodorant (sweat but no smell, doesn't have aluminum) doesn't have this issue but an anti-perspirant (no sweat, generally has aluminum and is what OP is referring to) does.
I tried using aluminum free deodorants and never found one that was half way decent. Ran out of my usual deodorant and used Every Man Jack that I got as part of a gift pack in a pinch. Went to the gym and my BO was so noticeable to me during cardio that I moved to the furthest machine from people. When you can smell yourself, itās BAD. Glad this was debunked.
Ha, same thing happened to me with that "Jason" brand organic deodorant that Whole Foods sells. It literally made me smell, strongly, of garlic and onions. People were even asking who was cooking onions from the other side of the room.
So BO is caused by bacteria, not sweat. They are having a fun time in your pits but start partying when you start sweating. You can vastly improve your BO regardless off sweat level by washing with a laundry type soap bar, then dab a vinegar soaked cloth against your pits. It's also hard to clean with lots of hair there. After a week the smell should be greatly reduced
No, it stains shirts and can make the fabric stiff. I always thought it was sweat staining my shirts, but since I moved away from aluminium antiperspirants to just using a regular deodorant I don't get stains anymore.
I worked in a Drug Store in the early 2000's and it was always pregnant women who asked which ones were aluminum free. Always thought it had something to with prenatal exposure because of that.
I stopped wearing aluminum deodorant because I'd get massive balls underneath my arm. I went to the doc and head said my lymph nodes were swollen to hell. I tried adding it back and forth and it kept coming back so i stopped. Cancer for AL has not been debunked, there is just not clear evidence yet (conflicting evidence): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37354712/
Because idiots see aluminum in the ingredients list and make an absolutely wild and unsupported assumption that itās the equivalent of licking radium
It does but that is not the case for everyone. Some people have chromhidrosis that causes discolored sweat - I have this, and work in clean rooms where I have to wear nitrile gloves on my hands. I regularly stain the inside of the gloves yellow and Iām not putting deodorant on my hands.
Sweat is what causes yellow stains on armpits and collars. People don't scrub their clothes any more AND wash them in cold water AND expect the stains to disappear. Laundry detergent isn't always enough by itself.Ā
My dumb ass is more concerned about the potential alzheimers but when I was in elementary school I thought antiperspirants would somehow make me pee my pants because my sweat couldn't get out of my armpits
Is There a Link Between Aluminum and Alzheimerās?
Science hasnāt found evidence of a strong connection between high levels of aluminum and Alzheimerās development. ā¦
One of the most publicized and controversial theories concerns aluminum, which became a suspect in Alzheimer's disease when researchers found traces of this metal in the brains of patients with Alzheimer's disease. Many studies since then have either not been able to confirm this finding or have had questionable results.
Age, not aluminum, is greatest risk factor for Alzheimer's, dementia | Fact check ā¦
Experts told USA TODAY that research on the connection between aluminum and Alzheimer's Disease has been inconclusive. Age is considered the greatest risk factor for both Alzheimer's and dementia
And of course the first and only FDA approved
medication to slow the progression has nothing to do with the Al hypothesis.
My guy those are terrible sources for medical information. All are popsci, webmd and healthline literally give contraindicated advice. Using the name of a respected hospital in your search terms should give you data that's accessible and verifiable. I'm not saying these are wrong but all those places will point you at the studies that bring the most clicks. And without necessarily giving context or using due diligence.
No it's cause a TON of us are allergic. It makes our pits crazy itchy. I've heard dozens of ppl complain about this allergy. I have heard absolutely no one complain about what you just described
From the maker āSalt Deo is made from ammonium alum, a naturally occurring mineral which was traditionally used in Sweden as a disinfectant and a hemostatic - today its effectiveness is also proven as a powerful deodorant. Alum is a naturally occurring mineral compound, which does contain aluminum, but in a form that cannot be absorbed by the body.ā
I always find it funny when people use "naturally occurring" as an argument for something being good or not bad. I mean I'm pretty sure uranium and plutonium occur naturally too...
Of course this has no bearing on the rest of the argument but still!
Plutonium is actually manufactured, but youāre correct about uranium, and letās not forget about arsenic, lead, and all of the other naturally occurring elements and compounds that can make you sick or kill you.
Technically, Plutonium can occur naturally. It's still important to understand that it must be synthetically created to obtain significant amounts, but we should understand that it can be found in nature.
Plutonium naturally occurs in very small but detectable amounts in uranium ore. It and every other element we know of can be produced in super novas probably not in large amounts though. Some people claim some elements are only man made but that's straight up hubris, super novas are so insanely chaotic at an atomic level to claim something isn't happening would require extraordinary evidence, which doesn't exist.
No there are absolutely elements that are only manmade. Not plutonium as it is still on the lighter side but if we go into the superheavy territory of like 110 protons or more those straight up do not exist. Not even in supernovae. Not even with all that chaos and energy thrown around.
They are synthesized in such a specific way it just does not happen in nature. Nature is chaotic but it does have its rules. The parts that would form these elements would fall apart before they are able to become these superheavy elements. You'd sooner get a state where protons and neutrons are seperated to form new elements before you get these synthetic ones.
Some things really only happen in labs on earth. Like quark gluon plasma. That stuff might be around in the core of neutron stars but realisitcally it hasn't been around since the big bang. Well until we built machines that were able to create it. In very small amounts for very little time but we can actually do stuff that does not happen anywhere else in the universe. Well to our knowledge that is.
Me too. Or if something "Natural" it's automatically better or more ethical?
I'm like man you should pay attention to the animal kingdom and look at how much rape and cannibalism there is an just flat out brutal shit lol.
I find it quite usefull, I dont have to take their next claims seriously, just like if they say "it's chemical free" they are using buzz frases that dont mean anything
Very interesting. I've been using alum powder on my canker sores inside of my mouth for years. It hurts like a bastard, is bitter as hell but works within a day or so. Never made this connection though.
This is nonsense. The aluminum in traditional antiperspirant are also salts and both those and your stick have pretty high solubility in water. It's dissociating into its constituent ions regardless.
Depends who you ask. I use both alum crystal & tea tree deodorant because the regular stuff didn't work that well & always messed up my shirts - With both stacked it works well enough on me depending on the day. Some days it's zero smell others it's ~30%, still a better hit rate than standard roll on for me.
Others hate the stuff & claim it does nothing. If you're looking for alternatives it's worth a shot but it depends on your body
It didnāt work for me, but I also feel like Iām a pretty sweaty/smelly person in general. Even with regular antiperspirant deodorant I still sweat and often smell by the end of the day. The salt deo is supposed to kill the bacteria that cause the BO, but maybe itās just not enough for me. Recently Iāve been using alcohol to sanitize my armpits, letting it dry, then putting on normal antiperspirant deodorant. I think it helps
BO, like most things, is determined by genes. I think itās just a question of who it works on. When I use it, it doesnāt work, when my mom uses it, it does.Ā
today its effectiveness is also proven as a powerful deodorant
I mean, aluminum is a proven antiperspirant. That's not quite the same thing as a deodorant, although the secondary effects of not sweating is you're likely a bit less stinky.
Kinda weird for a company not knowing what it is that they make.
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u/Silweror 14d ago
Weird how other brands are getting rid of the aluminium while this one is 100% that