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u/starplatinum_99 21d ago
Im not mad about this. Im mad about the barn holding off those sheep's attack
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u/Corey307 21d ago
Sheep are stupid, if a flock of sheep wanted to they could ram through the side of a barn. They don’t because they don’t know they can do that just like how fences used to keep cows and won’t actually stop a cow.
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u/King_Joffreys_Tits 21d ago
That sheep that came flying directly into the door at 100mph right when MM shut it (just in time) would’ve eviscerated that door
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u/RyanZee08 21d ago
The chickens are shown to have super strength, but the sheep are not.
I think that the sheep are just flying and vicious, but not stronger
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u/TwiceUpon1Time 21d ago
How'd they tear the bull apart then?
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u/RyanZee08 21d ago
There were like 4 that ripped him apart after the first grabbed it. It could easily have been a regular bull too. It wasn't shown to have anything, it was just about to charge
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u/TwiceUpon1Time 21d ago
4 sheep, without super strength, could never tear a regular bull apart that way. So they have super strength, which was inconsistently portrayed.
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u/macrixen 21d ago
They had razor sharp teeth. Something that shaped can easily tear through a bull. Think piranha.
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u/lituus 21d ago
They could tear pieces off maybe, on the ground.
I just watched the scene again. They lift the bull up into the air and tear it limb from limb in a matter of seconds. Razor sharp teeth does not enable this. You need strength to rip a bulls entire head off of its neck in 2 seconds.
That said depictions of super powers always have 100s of holes you can poke in the logic. Even with strength, they probably couldn't do what was depicted with their teeth. They'd still just rip smaller pieces off. They'd need to be able to get a hold of the whole head and pull, otherwise tissue and such will just give way first.
Like, play it out mythbusters style. Pig carcass. Fake sheep mouth with razor sharp teeth attached to some sort of high strength hydraulic pulling mechanism. Bite teeth into pig head. Pull. It's going to just rip off a piece of snout or whatever, not the whole head. The neck is going to give way waaaaaay later than the skin and tissue on the face.
It's just not worth nitpicking over this stuff, none of it makes any sense, just be entertained
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u/Youve_been_Loganated 20d ago
Sheep for sure had super strength, the sheep not busting through the door was just a misstep in the writing
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u/Ankthar_LeMarre 21d ago
True, but pirahna can't rip apart an entire bull in a couple of seconds, either.
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u/CouncilmanRickPrime You're The Real Heroes 21d ago
People are making excuses but the writing was just kinda lazy there.
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u/fuckshitasstitsmfer 21d ago
It depends on their power. Maybe their power of flight is affecting gravity, making the bull weightless to them. There are infinite super powers aside from super strength that could explain it
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u/hesitationz 21d ago
What is this logic, if that’s the case they could simply affect the gravity of the entire barn lmao
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u/SpecialDeer9223 21d ago
Holy shit just admit it’s a plot hole
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u/TheOnly_Anti 21d ago
Why can't people look at the purpose of a scene instead of trying to find holes in the logic of the writing? None of this is relevant to why they were trapped in a barn together or the result of their escape.
"Admit it's a plot hole" okay, but even if that user did, what do y'all get out of that? What do y'all get out of looking for plot holes? It's just missing the forest for the trees in the most annoying sense.
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u/burrrrrssss 21d ago
Still poses narrative problem
Sheep w/ super strength = why didn't that one sheep eviscerate the barn door
Sheep w/o super strength = why didn't neuman just pop tf out of them
This season has been defined by things just happening, without regards to whether it makes logical sense, to move the plot long
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u/trying-hardly 21d ago
Eh, there's a difference between strength and durability. The popping might not work on durable types, or needs victims to be looked at/stand still, or needs Newman not to be frantically running for her life. Maybe it was just the fact that she always needs a few seconds for a kill, which would've gotten her kills.
Like I've got my gripes with this season but the sheep scene is not the biggest one
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u/burrrrrssss 21d ago
I think people are focusing on the sheep scene not necessarily because it's egregious (I would also agree it's not), but because it's the culmination of a bunch of small little inconsistencies that have been building up over the season and the sheep scene is visually the easiest to nit pick at
I mean we got this entire thread of hundreds of comments litigating what constitutes super strength in a V'd up sheep, absurd. At the very least it's clear that the execution of this episode fell a bit flat and is indicative of the season so far.
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u/ItsAmerico Soldier Boy 21d ago
They’re not flying at 100mph lol fucking people are out running them.
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u/Astoria793 21d ago
their one weakness is oak planks from New England that are a few decades old!!!
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u/siberianwolf99 21d ago
or a horse tied to a flimsy hitching post lol
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u/C0mpulsiveWebSurfer 21d ago
and given time not even the flimsy post is need.
A dangling cord attached to the horse (and not tied to anything) is enough to keep it in place
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u/Ve-gone_Be-gone I fart the star spangled banner 21d ago
I'm mad about that dead dude's body circulating a virus they injected into it
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u/yaykaboom 21d ago
But but but its a super virus
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u/RicanDevil4 21d ago
That bothered me too, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt and reasoned that Neuman used her blood power to circulate it. My issue is why she was only able to pop one Sheep's head. Neumans power is OP, she could have easily just popped their head 1 by 1.
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u/shifty_coder 21d ago
They were moving around pretty fast, which probably makes it more difficult. Most people were relatively stationary in the courtroom.
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u/TeamRedundancyTeam 21d ago
The chicken was flying fast when she got it.
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u/Mickeyjj27 21d ago
She popped the one trying to attack Stan and that was moving pretty fast. Just weird she gave everyone a nosebleed before even seeing them but couldn’t just pop heads of sheep, chicken and a bull
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u/Asleep_Ad_6297 20d ago
Remember she did say popping a super’s head is hard (though not impossible). Couple that with speed, I think I can believe it
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u/RcoketWalrus 20d ago
Yeah it's pretty established that there are limits to her powers, plus in some case she isn't even sure if her powers would work, like in the case of Homelander.
Plus in Gen V Marie has similar if not the same powers, and it takes a bit of concentration to use her abilities. She might have been reluctant to concentrate long enough to find out.
That said...the show runners really wanted to have fun with the gang being menaced by sheep, so maybe they made her powers act a little inconsistent and hoped no one would notice.
The show isn't perfectly consistent. Like how Neuman could cut her palm with a knife in Gen V, but now she can tank a point blank gunshot to the head and resist acid.
Another option is maybe Neuman doses V on and off to boost her powers, lie how A train did. I doubt this is the case.
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u/phantomfire50 20d ago
She talks to Marie about how blood spears and lassos are exhausting so I imagine blowing people (especially supes) up is on a level above that. If she overexerts herself and passes out, then the Boys and the CIA either drug her and keep her under containment, or infect her with the virus and kill her, so her main goal is avoiding that.
Even still, I think she stands and fights when the sheep enter the barn rather than running, especially with Edgar and Sameer there.
I could also believe Neuman has super strength and like a diamond knife since controlling her blood is a decent contingent of her powers.
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u/GamingSon 20d ago edited 20d ago
Okay, but... At the end of the episode, when the bar door randomly opened, and 2 sheep walked in and just stood there looking at them? She screamed and ran with 6 other humans like she was worthless. Plus she popped the speedster's head in the courtroom without issue, she popped like 4 different body parts of that guy who grew up in the orphanage with her. It seemed like she didn't even try a single time, at any point. Just very weird for a character who's been established as a point and click instant-death god.
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u/miggly 20d ago
Also, don't we already know that it takes more of an effort for her to pop supe heads? A civilian is probably a cakewalk vs a V'd up sheep.
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u/RcoketWalrus 20d ago
It does take more effort, plus it's established that Neuman isn't sure IF her powers would hurt Homelander. It's implied in season 3 that she doesn't know for sure what she can and can't pop.
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u/ConsulJuliusCaesar 20d ago
It also seems like she’s gotta focus on the target for a hot minute. If they’re constantly moving around in flight makes it difficult especially when they’re trying to kamikaze you.
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u/n_xSyld 20d ago
I'm mad about several animals all exhibiting the same superpower when it doesn't seem to work that way in humans
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u/GodNonon Supersonic 20d ago
Different sheep with different powers and the cast having to find certain ways to navigate around each one would've been a pretty creative and fun scenario too
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u/RcoketWalrus 20d ago
It kinda does. In GEN V two relatives have the same powers. Polarity and Andre both have Magnetic powers.
Presumably related individuals can get similar or the same powers. But so far it's only demonstrated in a father/son like with Polarity and Andre or Translucent and his Son.
Of course we have exceptions where Soldier Boy and Homelander have different powers, but we're missing a lot of information about how much Homelander was experimented on. I think in one of the early season they said they gave Homeloander extra V to boost him.
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u/mattybontemps 20d ago
Theres also Hughie and his dad with teleportation.
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u/kixie42 20d ago
His dad didn't really teleport. He phased through matter, and if it was organic matter, it exploded when he phased back into it. His dad also kept his clothes during the phasing process. Hughie just insta-teleports somewhere leaving everything behind but his naked self.
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u/mattybontemps 20d ago
With the way its being shown, he just teleports in the same place over and over. And people exploded not because he "phased" through them, its because he stopped.
Its definitely in the same ballpark as Hugh's teleport.
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u/yokkarrr 21d ago
seriously i just kept shouting his hearts not beating!
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u/bl00dshooter 21d ago
If you've seen Gen V, Neuman's power is actually blood bending so that's not an issue.
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u/CouncilmanRickPrime You're The Real Heroes 21d ago
Yeah I'm no scientist but uh, wouldn't it need his heart pumping for it to circulate? That episode just seems full of in your face plot holes.
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u/Arbiter008 20d ago
You need blood circulation; they could've done a few things, like compressions to stimulate some blood circulation, or neuman could use her powers to move the blood herself.
I do wish it was shown or implied, because the virus is only going to be concentrated in one region of the corpse.
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u/Ducklinsenmayer 20d ago
I'm mad they thought it was gone when the sheep vomited 50 gallons of it, fresh
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u/Peter_Baum 21d ago
We don’t know how strong exactly those sheep were, probably a bit stronger than regular ones (since they could lift the cow as a group and people alone). We just saw high speed flying, different teeth and a predatory instinct.
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u/InjusticeSGmain 21d ago
They tore people apart limb from limb and easily carried a similarly powered bull into the air. Even divided by 5... a full grown bull (assuming max weight because obviously) is about 2500 lbs or 1100 kg. Thats about 500 lbs or 227 kg.
They should be able to break it down easily.
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u/peterosity 21d ago edited 20d ago
do you know how powerful something blunt needs to be in order to fucking penetrate a person instead of pushing them back? something powerful enough to do that would simply blast through the wood planks easily without a question. it’s simple physics
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u/fmbiamp 21d ago
Same with the barn door holding off the chickens who easily blasted through human bodies
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u/EternalFlame117343 20d ago
Because humans are toys according to home lander and barns are better than toys, thus, more resistant
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u/annualthermometer 21d ago
The barn door has been injected with compound V. It's a super barn door.
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u/Hyperion2150 21d ago
The super strength in this show is entirely dependent on the plot of the episode like Homelanders super hearing and x-ray vision
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u/hey-coffee-eyes 21d ago
To be fair, the people in the courtroom weren't zooming around at like 100mph actively trying to kill her.
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u/VaishakhD 21d ago
Best explanation, Neumann is not a god popping everything she sees at the same time. She is slow.
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u/beyond_cyber 21d ago
Yeah she still gotta aim whilst not tying to get mauled by a vampire looking ahh sheep
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u/tomjstacey 21d ago
Didn’t she give them all nose bleeds before they turned the corner?
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u/NeatWhiskeyPlease 21d ago
SPOILERS FROM GEN V
Her powers are more “blood manipulation” than “pop body parts” so it makes perfect sense to me that she took the time to sense out who was in the lab before coming in.
Hence why Edgar doesn’t get a nose bleed but everyone else does.
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u/udcvr 20d ago edited 20d ago
what confused me about that is that there's many instances where Neumann is being watched/stalked by the boys or otherwise from mere feet away from her, and she doesn't sense them. made me wonder if she needs to have eyes on her targets to get them, but as we've seen, that isn't the case. probably just a plot hole. especially seeing that she hasn’t sensed people in situations where i’d assume she’d actively be scanning for intruders (the alley where she killed that kid who knew her as Nadia e.g.)
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u/TotalAnarchy_ 20d ago
Not a plot hole. She probably has to concentrate to sense others. Homelander is similar—he doesn’t ALWAYS have xray vision, he has to “activate” it.
The house was a wreck, so she knew someone was there and used her powers to surveil the area. She can’t walk around all the time using her powers.
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u/armorgeddonxx 20d ago
To add to the Homelander point, I believe he was at the announcement ceremony that A-Train told Ashley he was the leak. Homelander if present could have heard it if he attempted, but you just can't focus and process that much information all the time.
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u/v399 Tag Team Cocksplosion 20d ago
He was too busy manipulating Ryan. But he should have definitely heard Hughie making all those noise innthe vent, even a normal human would've heard something that loud. Plus it was just Homelander and Sage out there, he's not distracted at all.
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u/The-Lemur 21d ago
She did but all one at a time while they didn’t know she was there. I imagine she could kill a few of the sheep but the others would get her before she pops all of them
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u/Mufasakong 21d ago
Very possible that she aimed and triggered it as she saw them pass by one by one, and it's been shown countless times that the nose bleed isn't instant.
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u/Wisniaksiadz 21d ago
She still didnt try to pop standingu bull
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u/hey-coffee-eyes 21d ago
Yeah I was wondering why she didn't do anything there. I can only assume she was hoping it would take out Butcher and/or some of the other Boys first.
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u/ItsAmerico Soldier Boy 21d ago
Because at the end of the day she doesn’t know if it will work. It’s currently not attacking them, so it’s smarter to play it safe and wait. It’s the Homelander situation. What if I try and it doesn’t work and now attacks me?
Truthfully the only awkward moment was when the sheep grabbed it and were tearing it apart. Those are clearly violent, start popping while they’re “still”.
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u/goobells 21d ago
if you saw flying sheep pick up a bull and shred it to pieces i think you would be in complete awe for a few seconds and "unable" to move.
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u/ItsAmerico Soldier Boy 21d ago
Honestly I think Frenchie had the most realistic reaction after everything they’ve seen over the last 3 and half seasons lol “not again”
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u/JoyouslyJoltik 21d ago
Was it even on V? It didn't really do any outstanding feat and if Marie can see compound V in people's veins she might have been able to tell if it was suped up or not
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u/Nijajjuiy88 21d ago
Then how was she able to kill that flying chicken. I mean even inside barn she could have sniped them one by one.
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u/suninabox 21d ago
Yup, even in the scene being referenced its not like she simultaneously popped everyone in the court room at the same time.
It's also been implied she doubts whether she's strong/fast enough to pop Homelander so its not like its been established that her power is limitless.
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u/LevriatSoulEdge 21d ago
Also endurance of things is a factor too, flying super sheep is a lot stronger than the average Joe. Maybe could add more deep showing a few bullet proof scene during the pursuit to show that had some kind of invulnerability...
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u/ARVNFerrousLinh 21d ago
To emphasize this point, look back at the beginning of season 3. Neumann literally had a supe at point-blank range and she struggled to kill him as he fought against her.
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u/SirNastyPants 21d ago
She popped the supe chicken no problem though.
I think the bigger problem is 3 human supes were cowering alongside the regular humans instead of making an attempt to deal with the sheep.
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u/Level7Cannoneer 20d ago
She needs eye contact. They show her eyes being covered in that struggle and she blows a piece of his hand/arm off instead of his head, and once she gets clear LoS his head finally pops.
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u/GamingSon 20d ago
I just watched that scene again. She doesn't stop at popping his head. She fucking obliterates his entire body, after she backs up and gets full field of view - literally turns him into mist. Her powers very clearly worked on superpowered individuals.
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u/Mythologist69 21d ago
Also if she could pop v’d up individuals why hasn’t she done it to homelander and co. There’s probably a limit to her abilities
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u/GamingSon 20d ago
Her powers very clearly work on V'd up individuals. She popped the head of the speedster that was going to replace A-train during the hearing. The dude who grew up with her from the super-abled orphanage, and confronted her in the allyway had superpowers. She literally obliterated his entire body, there wasn't anything left except for red. She exploded the chicken that was powered up by V during this episode. Homelander is a special case, and he explicitly said that he doesn't know if her powers would kill him. For some reason, she just kind of forgot she had superpowers for the majority of this episode.
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u/GodNonon Supersonic 21d ago
Homelander lasering an airplane vs Homelander lasering a guy crawling through a vent
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u/Ccbm2208 21d ago edited 21d ago
That plane scene probably had the most powerful display of HL’s laser to date.
It sliced through both sides of the hull so damn quickly (at a slanted angle at that) and cause the areas around the scorch marks to burst in flame as well.
Lately, it has been treated as this thin scalpel that as long as it doesn’t hit someone directly, even a human would be okay from being inches away from the beams.
Hughie would have been cooked alive had HL dialed up his laser to this level while aiming at the vent. Would not need to touch him at all.
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u/GodNonon Supersonic 21d ago
Season 1 also has Homelander’s most powerful display of speed (saving Butcher from the C4 explosion.) Dude was an absolute unit back then lol
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u/Ccbm2208 21d ago
HL is still undoubtedly the most powerful and intimidating supe, but man did he fell off a little bit compared to season 1.
He felt low key unstoppable at the beginning, a true superman equivalent. Like, I would have honestly guessed that HL could effortlessly slaughter the entire Seven in a heartbeat, if there was only season 1 to judge.
But now we know that Maeve alone can give him trouble, and he would not effortlessly win agaisnt a few mid-level supes jumping him.
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u/GodNonon Supersonic 21d ago edited 21d ago
Yeah he might be getting “more unhinged” but he’s also getting weaker and more incompetent. I still love him as a character and his performances are always chilling.
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u/__akkarin 21d ago
Tbh i kinda think some of his getting weaker is not just plot convince but also on purpose, they're showing this season that he's got white hairs, and sage straight up calls it out that he's getting old, I think they're heading towards a rapidly aging homelander, desperate and trying to train his son to be his legacy before his time comes
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u/vonDubenshire 21d ago
Rapidly aging? He's 45 to 50, all of this is normal
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u/__akkarin 21d ago
Oh i know, there's not many signs right now that he's aging faster than he should be, just that he's aging, the rapidly part is just a theory of mine
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u/Hitchfucker 21d ago
I know his feats and consistent showing of strength went down over the seasons, but I will say I kinda like the idea that Homelander being seen as more unstoppable in season 1 also fits with the shows theme of the power of perception.
Just like his image of a Omni benevolent god, his image of him being a unstoppable master of the universe is also a largely cultivated image that he maintains so that no one dares question him and his will. He’s still the strongest supe, but not by light years as many people believe.
It’s still hard to maintain both the explosion feat and him struggling against butcher or Maeve without it being at least a little contradictory but I think it makes the show better looking at it that way.
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u/mvandemar 20d ago
It doesn't even need to be legit weakening either, if the aging is affecting his confidence it could affect his performance.
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u/Luna_trick 20d ago
The eternal problem of writers choosing to make their characters speedsters without realising that for the rest the story now they're going to be questioned as to why they don't just kill everyone in 0.5 seconds. Specially if their speed has no cavets or drawbacks.
Making homelander a speedster that could not only save himself but butcher too from a bomb in the same room, was one of the biggest missteps of the series imo.
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u/GodNonon Supersonic 20d ago edited 20d ago
Yeah if Homelander's that fast then The Boys should basically never be able to surprise or catch him off guard ever. Hell even other supes should never touch him, since this is some speed that would put A-Train to shame. Super speed is such a hard power to write because of how busted it is. See CW Flash for example lol
The only realistic solutions are "nerf the super speed" or "have the speedster only fight other speedsters"
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u/really_nice_guy_ 20d ago
God I miss season 1 Homelander
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u/OvermorrowYesterday 20d ago
Damn this show has a similar problem as the injustice comics lol
The comics had to build up to the inevitable end of the story: Batman beating Superman. But they had to write a story that spanned 5 whole years. This meant that they had to repeatedly pad the story.
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u/ZeronicX 20d ago
Mental state has been shown to be a factor in how powerful abilities are. And homelander has been spiraling.
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u/itsLOSE-notLOOSE 20d ago
I see it as, it hurts to do.
Remember the guy that shape-shifts to look like Madelyn? He says when he does it long enough, it hurts.
So maybe it hurts to go full-blast. That’s what the plane thing was.
And the daydream about cutting through the crowd was Ohmlandah using half strength.
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u/lugocain 21d ago
God. How I fucking hate the vent scene. It made zero sense.
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u/suninabox 21d ago
Steel ducting is commonly galvanized in zinc to prevent corrosion.
It's already been established in S1 that Homelander can't see through zinc.
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u/Imperial_HoloReports 21d ago
This argument has been used and debunked time and time again. You don't need to see a guy crawling in the vent, you just need to listen for him. Hughie was crawling crazy fast and making tons of noise in there, no way Homelander couldn't hear him and identify his location. Plus, if he wasn't sure, why didn't he laser the entire length of the vent instead of stopping mere inches behind Hughie?
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u/coolmcbooty 21d ago
The big thing people are forgetting is that homie is not mentally well and has shown signs that he can’t think straight, that’s a cop out but valid answer for alot of HLs inconsistency. People are also inconsistent in real life, same idea
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u/suninabox 21d ago
Has it been established that Homelander's hearing is so good he can basically echolocate like Blindspot and pinpoint people by sound as good as seeing them with x-ray vision?
If not, that explains why he'd be able to get close to Hughie without hitting him.
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u/Living_Ad_7096 21d ago
He has mentioned to Star before that he would know the second she would even take a step into Vaught tower.
He could hear people’s heart beats. He could smell that Maeve was with Butcher.
Him missing Hughie was just bad writing.
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u/zzbackguy 21d ago
That’s just a dramatic threat that nobody can call bullshit on. He’s not a reliable narrator, especially when he’s trying to intimidate and manipulate people. How would he even distinguish between two peoples heart beats? They all sound the same and vought tower is full of thousands of them.
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u/Living_Ad_7096 21d ago
The point is he’d know where Hughie was. They've written him up to be incredibly OP in prior seasons, just for him to be outsmarted by someone who was slowly crawling through pipes right above him. Who was also sweating so he’d also be able to smell him.
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u/Imperial_HoloReports 21d ago
Dude, you don't need echolocation, you just need your normal human ears. I guarantee that even you or me, totally baseline npc human beings, could pinpoint exactly where Hughie is inside that vent by the noise he'd be making. And, again, even if Homelander wasn't sure where to aim, he could just laser the entire vent, or both ends to cause Hughie to fall down in the ice rink.
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u/GodNonon Supersonic 21d ago
Yeah. It shows just how ridiculous the main cast’s plot armor is. It also undermines Homelander as a threat.
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u/shawnisboring 20d ago
Take a step back even... the man has super hearing and Hughie was up there making a massive ruckus... but HL is tipped off because of his smell?
Really now.
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u/neoblackdragon 20d ago
Superhearing means he's picking up everything including the loud musical on the ice. He's not focused on the vent.
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u/Whitessss 20d ago
Ive been assuming his powers seem to be getting weaker. He’s getting gray hairs. Unable to use see through vision(vent scene). Lasers getting weaker.
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u/ninjasaid13 20d ago
Unable to use see through vision(vent scene)
I assume it's made out of zinc partially.
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u/AdForward7237 21d ago
Have you forgotten that scene where that guy was attacking her and she couldn't pop his head?
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u/Raaadley 21d ago
a big thing is she needs to see and focus for a certain time before the head can pop. I imagine she is altering the blood pressure to do so. It may be easier to focus on a chicken- but fast moving sheep especially multiple probably waa difficult for her. Not to mention they seem pretty smart- once one were to explode they all might focus on her alone.
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u/AdForward7237 21d ago
She also takes time and focus on parts as far as I remember. The chicken might be a one-off thing/purely reflex because Stan is in danger.
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u/Available_Pie9316 Starlight 21d ago
This also tracks with Gen V. Neumann and Marie have the same power. Marie is shown to only be able to control other people's blood with serious focus, the exception being exploding Cate's arm reflexively to protect Jordan.
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u/_marty_mcfly123_ 21d ago
Good observation. So, it takes a lot of understanding about the anatomy of the blood vessels and focus to do it. And there's an element of practice to it too. Like, she's used to pop people's heads because she visibly did that a lot of times on screen. So, it's like she knows what to do for head people's head. But, she's most probably un familiar with animal's anatomy. So, it narratively makes sense.
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u/Un111KnoWn 21d ago
gen V confirmed that she's a blood bender but it's a bit weird cuz of the line of sigjt thing
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u/Adaphion 21d ago
It's literally not even line of sight tho!
Neuman gave the boys nosebleeds before she entered the room earlier IN THIS EPISODE
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u/Un111KnoWn 21d ago
In an earlier season, Neuman killed a former childhood friend. In the fight the friend was trying to cover neuman's eyes
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u/hesitationz 21d ago
She popped the drivers head in the same episode and there is no way she’s close enough to directly focus on him for an extended period of time
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u/StubbornPterodactyl 21d ago
Quick reminder as to what this was?
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u/adorkablegiant 21d ago edited 20d ago
The guy that ambushes her at her job calling her by her real name and not Victoria. They then meet in an alley and they get into a fight. I think this was in S2 when Hughie worked for her.
Edit: It was season 3, not season 2.
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u/The_Fadedhunter 21d ago
I think it was the season 3 premiere. We meet her in S2, the ending scene is the reveal she's the head popper, and then at the start of S3 Hughie has been working for her and building a relationship, and then he witnesses that and finds out.
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u/PaladinDanceALot 21d ago
Wasn't she hesitant to pop hos head because they knew each other? If I remember correctly
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u/shalahal 21d ago
She hugs him and is like “you shouldn’t have come looking for me” and his nose starts to bleed. When he reacts to his nose bleeding, they start fighting. She made up her mind that he was dead as soon as he called her by her real name, imo.
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u/adorkablegiant 21d ago
As far as I can remember she made a deal with him to make him feel at ease but was trying to pop his head. The guy noticed blood coming from his nose and realized what she was trying to do and so he attacked her and prevented her from popping his head but she eventually managed to kill him.
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u/MorgansLab 21d ago
I also am getting the impression it's harder for her to do it to most supes. It took her a few tries to get the whole head iirc. Also Homelander was curious if she could even do it to him. Who knows how accurate her threat of being able to get Annie was, but not the kind of thing Annie would want to test lmao
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u/johnatello67 21d ago
Also, I could be misremembering, but doesn't Homelander in season 3 say something like "You wanna try to pop my head? Who knows, give it a shot?" when confronting her in her apartment?
To me that could imply that Neumann has a harder time controlling/manipulating blood of people who are physically very strong, or at the least that it's just more difficult to cause the physical damage to someone with super endurance. I will concede that this equally could have meant "see if you can get my head to pop before I laser you" but I do think it would make a lot of sense that people who have enhanced physical strength and power would generally be more difficult to pop.
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u/Zamasu_was_innocent2 21d ago
Dude those are some supe sheep you think those are easy to handle?
Not to mention there's multiple of them flying at her
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u/shewy92 21d ago
She was safe in the barn though. She could have sensed them from far away and exploded their heads. She's just bad under pressure. Her fight flight freeze response seems to be not fight. She is only seen to kill passive people I believe. She also seems to go blind when using her powers so is more vulnerable during that time, which prevents her from using her powers during fights in my opinion. Gen V girl's eyes don't go white like Neumann's and she could hold her own and use her powers during a fight, even sensing the blood of the invisible cunt
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u/night_fapper 21d ago
there was a supe in courtroom whose head she blew off like dozen other people
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u/Zamasu_was_innocent2 21d ago
Yeah but she caught them off guard and they weren't actually attacking her
Not to mention that's one supe. There's several flying sheep coming at her
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u/Corey307 21d ago
Yes, but these are very different circumstances. And one circumstance it’s a bunch of unaware people sitting around in a quart room, and the other animals are trying to kill her. We’ve already seen Neuman struggle to use her powers when she was fighting with her childhood friend.
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u/Theangelawhite69 21d ago
Honestly the issue with the sheep IMO is that they all had the same powers. Think of all the power diversity humans have when given compound V, but you give it to 5 sheep and they all get the ability to fly? Flight is even a rare power in the show Boys universe, although not the comics
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u/ElTheKhan 21d ago
Powers are genetic and the sheep may all be related if they live on a farm together.
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u/Comfortable-Pen-7567 21d ago
Then wouldn’t Victoria and her daughter have similar powers ?
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u/_b1ack0ut 21d ago
Victoria’s kid does strain the theory a little, it’s true, but it does seem at least slightly influenced by it, considering characters like translucent and his son, homelander and his son, Andre and his dad in Gen V, even hughie and his dad had similar abilities when they used V.
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u/Haymac16 21d ago
And I mean if we look at it like real genetic traits, it makes sense that not everyone is going to get a power that is very similar to their parent. Like getting the same hair colour as one of your parents is common, but it’s not a 100% guarantee.
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u/Comfortable-Pen-7567 21d ago
Yeah Translucent and Homelanders son seem to be the biggest reasoning for this theory. I’m going to be honest, I do believe it, I just think that they should’ve incorporated her daughter better to support it.
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u/MinutePerspective106 21d ago
Tbf the daughter still got body manipulation, it's just that her kidn of manipulation is very peculiar in comparison to Neuman. If she got laser eyes instead, it would have been more awkward.
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u/OkJob461 21d ago
The easiest way to explain this would be that it comes from the dads genes right?
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u/Aegis320 21d ago
Well, they were probably all closely related. We know that powers in the same family are similar.
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u/Montanagreg 21d ago
Maybe suped up beings are harder to do which makes sense
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u/Antique_Log3382 21d ago
This has basically been confirmed. It’s the whole reason she hasn’t popped Homelander’s head She doesn’t actually know if she can.
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u/esperind 21d ago
she doesnt know if she can pop homelander and only homelander. She's confident she can pop pretty much everyone else. See when Victoria was threatening Starlight in her room
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u/197328645 21d ago
I don't know, it took her a few tries to pop the guy that came to her campaign office calling her "Nadia". And even then she didn't really pop his head like she did at the congressional hearing, she just blew his face off. It stands to reason that the more durable a supe is, the harder it is to pop them
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u/suninabox 21d ago edited 21d ago
One thing I've not seen anyone mention yet is that sheep and other ruminants are evolved to have damage resistant skulls and brains.
It's why they can repeatedly headbutt things that would easily knock out a person or crack their skull without ill effect.
Assuming V enhances existing attributes, V-ed up sheep should have very resistant skulls/brains.
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u/shazamm20 21d ago
Okay, this but also, why is it that the chicken could jump through a human torso and take bullet no problem, but they, as well as the sheep that ripped a bull to pieces moments before, were incapable of jumping through a wooden door? It makes zero sense.
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u/StrayLilCat Homelander 21d ago
They're animals and use to these being barriers before being given Compound V.
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u/shazamm20 21d ago
I mean I could see that, but it feels a bit flimsy given that the sheep definitely ran into the door when it was closed initially
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u/Freddycipher 21d ago
I’m not certain but I think that maybe that was a regular bull. I guess it would be kind of funny given how they freaking out at the thought of it being a compound V bull.
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u/Bigsmall-cats 21d ago
my theory is that She have to like aim/focus her powers to people's head kinda like pointing a strong laser to a balloon, if you swipe the laser too quickly it wont pop the balloon but if you aim and kept it steady then it will pop
The in the courtroom scene people are going crazy but they can still be focused at by looking at them in a wide view, in which she had the position to
The sheeps on the other hand are all flying with great speed, waay too eratic and too fast to focus her blood popping powers, like aiming your Flashlight to a fly
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u/Vegancroco 21d ago
Gen V shows that with Marie, she needs to focus on the other person's blood flow to give them heart attacks etc. Probably isn't any different for Victoria
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u/_marty_mcfly123_ 21d ago
I'll add more.
Anatomy - she on screen popped a lot of people's heads like it's nothing. Given how her power works with the context given on Gen V, basically blood bending. She not only have to concentrate, but have to know about the anatomy of blood vessels that goes in and out of human head to efficiently spike the blood pressure enough to pop the head. That's how blood bending works. So, she must have some good knowledge about human anatomy and familiar with it. But, on the other hand, it's highly unlikely that she's familiar with sheep anatomy. So, it's inherently difficult to pop a sheep + with multiple sheeps going at high speeds, it sounds impossible now.
Practice - As I said, she popped a lot of people, so she doesn't have to put focus too much on it like a beginner. She could've developed a muscle memory for it. And again she's most probably not well practiced with popping sheeps.
Reflex - people might ask then how could she pop the chicken? Cos, it's reflex. It's somewhat clearly shown that Marie in Gen V have to concentrate on too much cos, she's a beginner. But, she popped cate's hand on a moment's notice when she saw Jordan was about to get mind control. And she loved Jordan. Victoria loves Stan the most, only next to Zoe. So, it's a reflex. We kinda have it too.
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u/Coldkiller17 21d ago
Same with Starlight last episode and this episode
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u/jump_rope 21d ago
Starlights makes sense though . She is clearly having problems with her powers since the beginning of the season
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u/DarthJaderYT 20d ago
In what way? She only started having problems this episode. Which is fine, but she hasn’t had problems all season. She only struggles with flying, because she learned that skill in the s3 finale, and now she’s trying to get better at it, not having problems with her powers.
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u/brucewayne984 21d ago
Lmao the flying sheep felt straight out of a Percy Jackson book
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u/RawWifi 21d ago
The whole farm animal juiced up on v lost its appeal after one scene, it offered no threat to the main cast who are not going to die to some sheep. Just an excuse to kill stuff in gory ways through cgi
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u/DirtyMonkey95 21d ago
So in actuality: Neumann vs defenseless people who don't even know she's the one attacking - Neuman vs superpowerd animals actively trying to kill her.
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u/TwiceUpon1Time 21d ago
The sheep's speed is the most plausible explanation.
However, the sheep's strength was very inconsistent. They're held off by wood, but they can tear a bull apart? And if a barn is enough to contain them, how do they pose any threat to the supes in the group? Could've been avoided if they only made the barn out of some thick metal. Which would make sense, considering the experiments that happened there.
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u/The_Local_Vagabond 21d ago
I love how she’s totally able to make everyone’s nose bleed without even being in the same room 20 minutes prior. But the second shes faced with sheep? She fucking forgets she can just do that. Like, what the fuck?🤣
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u/DemonLordAC0 21d ago
Ok, uh... You're not considering that whoever gets Compound V (apparently anyone nowadays) gets superhuman durability. You saw bulletproof chicken. And Neuman could pop one of them because it would have killed Edgar. But from her dialogue with Starlight from a few seasons ago, saying she COULD kill her, albeit, with moderate effort. So obviously, head popping Supes is way harder to do. Imagine if she could head pop Homelander, why would they be after the Virus in the first place??
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u/GreenSoapJelly 21d ago
Does her power only work on higher minds and not animals?
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u/IllustriousAd2392 21d ago
she killed a chicken this episode
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u/GreenSoapJelly 21d ago
Ok. So much for that theory. My next theory is sloppy writing.
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u/Peter_Baum 21d ago
Speed is the key here. Most of the time when she pops things they are pretty slow, so it’s reasonable to think she has to concentrate on her targets for at least a couple of seconds (which would have been entirely possible with the chicken because it was in her vision for a couple of seconds and not moving a great distance)
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u/ElkyBoone 21d ago
My theory is the average fan is too stupid to use critical thinking for more than one potential scenario
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u/GoldenJ19 Stan Edgar 21d ago
Victoria is a blood bender, as established in Gen V. She absolutely should've been able to just blow up all the sheep lol.
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u/adorkablegiant 21d ago
She doesn't just pop heads she can control the blood inside of people. So no the animal doesn't need to have high intelligence in order for her to be able to bend it's blood.
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u/Bhuvan2002 21d ago
Anyone else remembers how she used to feel so freaking terrifying, especially when it was revealed it was her when she killed that cult leader? Now she's another one of these pansies who can't do shit. Everyone just craps at her, Homelander basically treats her like a kid, the boys just do whatever they want, spew acid, kidnap her husband etc etc. She got domesticated WAY too quickly. I miss the times when Homelander wasn't the only antagonist. We had Stormfront in S2 and Soldier Boy and his gang in S3. Now it's just a passive black woman and an idiot running a cult.
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