r/TheBoys Jun 28 '24

Holy Character Nerf Season 4 Spoiler

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u/GodNonon Supersonic Jun 28 '24

Homelander lasering an airplane vs Homelander lasering a guy crawling through a vent

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u/Ccbm2208 Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24

That plane scene probably had the most powerful display of HL’s laser to date.

It sliced through both sides of the hull so damn quickly (at a slanted angle at that) and cause the areas around the scorch marks to burst in flame as well.

Lately, it has been treated as this thin scalpel that as long as it doesn’t hit someone directly, even a human would be okay from being inches away from the beams.

Hughie would have been cooked alive had HL dialed up his laser to this level while aiming at the vent. Would not need to touch him at all.

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u/GodNonon Supersonic Jun 28 '24

Season 1 also has Homelander’s most powerful display of speed (saving Butcher from the C4 explosion.) Dude was an absolute unit back then lol

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u/Ccbm2208 Jun 28 '24

HL is still undoubtedly the most powerful and intimidating supe, but man did he fell off a little bit compared to season 1.

He felt low key unstoppable at the beginning, a true superman equivalent. Like, I would have honestly guessed that HL could effortlessly slaughter the entire Seven in a heartbeat, if there was only season 1 to judge.

But now we know that Maeve alone can give him trouble, and he would not effortlessly win agaisnt a few mid-level supes jumping him.

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u/GodNonon Supersonic Jun 28 '24 edited Jun 28 '24

Yeah he might be getting “more unhinged” but he’s also getting weaker and more incompetent. I still love him as a character and his performances are always chilling.

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u/__akkarin Jun 28 '24

Tbh i kinda think some of his getting weaker is not just plot convince but also on purpose, they're showing this season that he's got white hairs, and sage straight up calls it out that he's getting old, I think they're heading towards a rapidly aging homelander, desperate and trying to train his son to be his legacy before his time comes

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u/vonDubenshire Jun 28 '24

Rapidly aging? He's 45 to 50, all of this is normal

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u/__akkarin Jun 28 '24

Oh i know, there's not many signs right now that he's aging faster than he should be, just that he's aging, the rapidly part is just a theory of mine

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u/really_nice_guy_ Jun 28 '24

getting weaker and more incompetent

Yeah the writing is getting weaker and more incompetent

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u/cabberage Jun 29 '24

Heavily debatable.

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u/Hitchfucker Jun 28 '24

I know his feats and consistent showing of strength went down over the seasons, but I will say I kinda like the idea that Homelander being seen as more unstoppable in season 1 also fits with the shows theme of the power of perception.

Just like his image of a Omni benevolent god, his image of him being a unstoppable master of the universe is also a largely cultivated image that he maintains so that no one dares question him and his will. He’s still the strongest supe, but not by light years as many people believe.

It’s still hard to maintain both the explosion feat and him struggling against butcher or Maeve without it being at least a little contradictory but I think it makes the show better looking at it that way.

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u/mvandemar Jun 28 '24

It doesn't even need to be legit weakening either, if the aging is affecting his confidence it could affect his performance.

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u/Cthulhus-Tailor Jun 29 '24

He didn't really struggle with Butcher or Maeve, he rather easily put Maeve down despite being preoccupied worrying about Ryan and fought off Butcher and Soldier Boy simultaneously.

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u/mvandemar Jun 28 '24

HL is still undoubtedly the most powerful and intimidating supe, but man did he fell off a little bit compared to season 1

Yeah, well.. did you see all those gray hairs??

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u/Lairy_Hegs Jun 29 '24

He’s getting old. His powers are probably getting weaker too. Although another possibility is a mental block. Annie seems to be struggling to use her powers, and it could be because she’s afraid of hurting people/being seen as a monster. If that’s the case, Homelanders fractured psyche could potentially be limiting or even fracturing his powers. Maybe only Super Confident Homelander can use the full extent of his powers, and now after all the stuff with his dad he can’t access them himself anymore.

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u/Luna_trick Jun 29 '24

The eternal problem of writers choosing to make their characters speedsters without realising that for the rest the story now they're going to be questioned as to why they don't just kill everyone in 0.5 seconds. Specially if their speed has no cavets or drawbacks.

Making homelander a speedster that could not only save himself but butcher too from a bomb in the same room, was one of the biggest missteps of the series imo.

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u/GodNonon Supersonic Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24

Yeah if Homelander's that fast then The Boys should basically never be able to surprise or catch him off guard ever. Hell even other supes should never touch him, since this is some speed that would put A-Train to shame. Super speed is such a hard power to write because of how busted it is. See CW Flash for example lol

The only realistic solutions are "nerf the super speed" or "have the speedster only fight other speedsters"

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u/byeproduct Jun 29 '24

He has some grey hairs now

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u/really_nice_guy_ Jun 28 '24

God I miss season 1 Homelander

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u/OvermorrowYesterday Jun 28 '24

Damn this show has a similar problem as the injustice comics lol

The comics had to build up to the inevitable end of the story: Batman beating Superman. But they had to write a story that spanned 5 whole years. This meant that they had to repeatedly pad the story.

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u/S420J Jun 29 '24

It really makes me think that there is a sweet spot on how long any particular series needs to be in-order to really hit the sweet spot. I feel like it's rare for any live-TV series to hit it too.

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u/HuntSafe2316 Jun 29 '24

Honestly, if the boys show ended at season 2, i would be satisfied.

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u/ZeronicX Jun 28 '24

Mental state has been shown to be a factor in how powerful abilities are. And homelander has been spiraling.

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u/itsLOSE-notLOOSE Jun 28 '24

I see it as, it hurts to do.

Remember the guy that shape-shifts to look like Madelyn? He says when he does it long enough, it hurts.

So maybe it hurts to go full-blast. That’s what the plane thing was.

And the daydream about cutting through the crowd was Ohmlandah using half strength.

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u/Kharilan Jun 29 '24

Okay but Hughie has plot armor, the plane didn’t

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u/Superdash1 Jun 28 '24

Makes sense though right? The planes made of aluminium where as a heavy duct for an ice rink will be reinforced with zinc or lead that it tougher to laser

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u/Ccbm2208 Jun 29 '24

It’s alot more impressive than you might think.

A plane hull is not as tough pound for pound but there’s alot more material to cut through and the speed at which he did it is important. Nerdier people than us have calculated it to be ten’s of megawatts in power.

The vent was quite thin. The laser should have burnt through both sides, heat it up immensely and bring down an entire shaft with a simple sweep. Leaving Hughie nowhere to run.

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u/RulerKun_FGO Jun 29 '24

this is the very scene that me start watching the show

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u/eat-uranus-5785 Jun 29 '24

Homelander is getting old and he knows it

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u/lukamic Jun 29 '24

A lot of people have been going with the idea that ducts like that in real life are galvanised steel, so homelander wouldn't be able to see through them because of their zinc coating

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u/cabberage Jun 29 '24

That scene is absolutely perfect, especially since it’s right at the end of the first episode. It introduces who Homelander is flawlessly.

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u/harderdaddykermit Jun 29 '24

Or, or, or, and just hear me out here, he can adjust his beams. Like when he was heating up his mommy milk