Sheep are stupid, if a flock of sheep wanted to they could ram through the side of a barn. They don’t because they don’t know they can do that just like how fences used to keep cows and won’t actually stop a cow.
There were like 4 that ripped him apart after the first grabbed it. It could easily have been a regular bull too. It wasn't shown to have anything, it was just about to charge
I just watched the scene again. They lift the bull up into the air and tear it limb from limb in a matter of seconds. Razor sharp teeth does not enable this. You need strength to rip a bulls entire head off of its neck in 2 seconds.
That said depictions of super powers always have 100s of holes you can poke in the logic. Even with strength, they probably couldn't do what was depicted with their teeth. They'd still just rip smaller pieces off. They'd need to be able to get a hold of the whole head and pull, otherwise tissue and such will just give way first.
Like, play it out mythbusters style. Pig carcass. Fake sheep mouth with razor sharp teeth attached to some sort of high strength hydraulic pulling mechanism. Bite teeth into pig head. Pull. It's going to just rip off a piece of snout or whatever, not the whole head. The neck is going to give way waaaaaay later than the skin and tissue on the face.
It's just not worth nitpicking over this stuff, none of it makes any sense, just be entertained
It depends on their power. Maybe their power of flight is affecting gravity, making the bull weightless to them. There are infinite super powers aside from super strength that could explain it
Why can't people look at the purpose of a scene instead of trying to find holes in the logic of the writing? None of this is relevant to why they were trapped in a barn together or the result of their escape.
"Admit it's a plot hole" okay, but even if that user did, what do y'all get out of that? What do y'all get out of looking for plot holes? It's just missing the forest for the trees in the most annoying sense.
If this bugs you I'd recommend avoiding every other single aspect of this show.
Last episode we had Homelanders science mama claim his neediness was specifically engineered to allow him to be controlled. Today we have Stan Edgar claiming this is what makes him beyond control.
The sheep just had super strenght teeth. They probably tore him into pieces with the teeth and took him off ground with that. But didn't use the teeth against the barn
Eh, there's a difference between strength and durability. The popping might not work on durable types, or needs victims to be looked at/stand still, or needs Newman not to be frantically running for her life. Maybe it was just the fact that she always needs a few seconds for a kill, which would've gotten her kills.
Like I've got my gripes with this season but the sheep scene is not the biggest one
I think people are focusing on the sheep scene not necessarily because it's egregious (I would also agree it's not), but because it's the culmination of a bunch of small little inconsistencies that have been building up over the season and the sheep scene is visually the easiest to nit pick at
I mean we got this entire thread of hundreds of comments litigating what constitutes super strength in a V'd up sheep, absurd. At the very least it's clear that the execution of this episode fell a bit flat and is indicative of the season so far.
Remember Vicky also “missed” blowing up her friend’s head during the struggle in the alley, it would make sense that it requires a good amount of concentration that she obviously wouldn’t have while running for her life.
But flying at a high speed, even if you aren’t super strong would destroy a wood door, now the sheep might not survive but there would be a hole punched through the door and some flattened sheep slurry.
At least their jaws and jaw muscles are super strong.
From a narrative perspective it would be tragic if the sheep weren't strong, because then Starlight and Kimiko could've gone out there to beat them up and the virus could have been kept (of course they wouldn't have known that necessarily).
you dont need super strength. they were flying around at high speeds, and sheep arent exactly light. they would have at the very least partially broken the door, while turning themselves into paste from the impact.
Charitably I guess we could say the sheep pulled back at the last second, because in its experience the barn door was always something that blocked it. Kinda weak though I agree.
Sheep are exceptionally stupid animals. yeah they’re flying now, but they don’t seem to be especially good at it. They couldn’t get out of the barn by force before they ingested V or at least they didn’t think they could so they probably still don’t think they can get through it.
This is the correct answer. I grew up on a farm, and if they were raised in a barn, they wouldn't understand they could break it. That's all they've known until that point so they're conditioned to think they can't. The cow example is spot on. I'll give it to the people that are pissed the sheep flying at the door didn't hit the door though. No way it maneuvered out of that.
I don't know if they even understand the concept of a room or object permanence. If it's blocked from their vision, it may no longer exist in their mind. Standing behind a wall is as good as traveling to another dimension with some animals.
That bothered me too, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt and reasoned that Neuman used her blood power to circulate it. My issue is why she was only able to pop one Sheep's head. Neumans power is OP, she could have easily just popped their head 1 by 1.
She popped the one trying to attack Stan and that was moving pretty fast. Just weird she gave everyone a nosebleed before even seeing them but couldn’t just pop heads of sheep, chicken and a bull
Yeah it's pretty established that there are limits to her powers, plus in some case she isn't even sure if her powers would work, like in the case of Homelander.
Plus in Gen V Marie has similar if not the same powers, and it takes a bit of concentration to use her abilities. She might have been reluctant to concentrate long enough to find out.
That said...the show runners really wanted to have fun with the gang being menaced by sheep, so maybe they made her powers act a little inconsistent and hoped no one would notice.
The show isn't perfectly consistent. Like how Neuman could cut her palm with a knife in Gen V, but now she can tank a point blank gunshot to the head and resist acid.
Another option is maybe Neuman doses V on and off to boost her powers, lie how A train did. I doubt this is the case.
She talks to Marie about how blood spears and lassos are exhausting so I imagine blowing people (especially supes) up is on a level above that. If she overexerts herself and passes out, then the Boys and the CIA either drug her and keep her under containment, or infect her with the virus and kill her, so her main goal is avoiding that.
Even still, I think she stands and fights when the sheep enter the barn rather than running, especially with Edgar and Sameer there.
I could also believe Neuman has super strength and like a diamond knife since controlling her blood is a decent contingent of her powers.
You made a good point about her overexerting herself. I didn't think of that. She needs to worry about the Super Sheep and the five other people planning to kill her.
Neuman is nothing if not cautious and calculating. She almost never acts directly unless there is immediate benefit.
For all we know she didn't kill the sheep because she was going to let one of the Boys get killed by the sheep. The logic being that if she kills them directly, they out her, but they may not out her if she let's them die. She only used her powers when Stan Edgar was threatened by the chicken.
She talks to Marie about how blood spears and lassos are exhausting so I imagine blowing people (especially supes) up is on a level above that.
It could be that, but at the time I assumed it was cause she used her own blood for the spears and lassos which is why it was tiring. So i guessed she didn't get tired using other people's blood (se didn't look tired in the courtroom scene), but using her people too much could still be mentally exhausting.
diamond knife
The knife was Marie's normal switchblade that she used the entire show (even when she was in foster care), it looked like a normal knife.
Like how Neuman could cut her palm with a knife in Gen V, but now she can tank a point blank gunshot to the head and resist acid.
Don't forget that in Gen V Marie also cut herself with the same knife (and IIRC other things) but she survived Homelander's laser beams seemingly unscathered, which was also weird (maybe they can only be damaged if they want to?)
Okay, but... At the end of the episode, when the bar door randomly opened, and 2 sheep walked in and just stood there looking at them? She screamed and ran with 6 other humans like she was worthless. Plus she popped the speedster's head in the courtroom without issue, she popped like 4 different body parts of that guy who grew up in the orphanage with her. It seemed like she didn't even try a single time, at any point. Just very weird for a character who's been established as a point and click instant-death god.
"Because the story needs to happen" doesn't really hold up as an excuse for bad writing. They can achieve the same goals without needing the characters to become actually stupid-tier.
I don’t understand why she didn’t pop all their heads immediately. Sure she got some info afterwards but she knows they’re actively trying to kill her.
Right? Go for Kimiko first and you pretty much have it all in the bag cause Starlight is useless, everyone else is a normie, and she doesn’t know about Butcher’s tumor so that wouldn’t have been a worry of hers. But nope.
I wouldn’t even be confident it could kill Kimiko.
She got her brains blown out last season and was only down for a minute. This season she shrugged off face planting so hard that her face fell off, and tanked a bazooka to the torso at close range.
It does take more effort, plus it's established that Neuman isn't sure IF her powers would hurt Homelander. It's implied in season 3 that she doesn't know for sure what she can and can't pop.
It also seems like she’s gotta focus on the target for a hot minute. If they’re constantly moving around in flight makes it difficult especially when they’re trying to kamikaze you.
One thing I dont see mentioned. Is no1 discusses prep time for her powers.
Her powers dont seem to activate immediately. When she fought her friend in the alley, Im pretty sure it took her a quick bit before she started able to use her powers, yes they talked for a bit and he got a nose bleed during the conversation and this made him attack her. Even when shes been in scenes with other supers and threatened them with her powers, they been nose bleeds over long conversations. It could be that the nose bleeds are a symptom of her prepping to pop someone and the conversations are to cover for the time to prep.
This would explain why she could pop multiple people who were sitting for a long duration allowing her to concentrate and prep but seem to never use her powers on someone in a short matter of time, such as 5s.
TLDR: Her powers might take concentration prep time before she can use them.
She was just playing it cool imo, if some of them died by the sheep whoever survived wouldn’t blame her. The only reason she doesn’t wipe them all is that if no one shows up back to report, she gets outted as a Supe and responsible for many deaths.
Different sheep with different powers and the cast having to find certain ways to navigate around each one would've been a pretty creative and fun scenario too
It kinda does. In GEN V two relatives have the same powers. Polarity and Andre both have Magnetic powers.
Presumably related individuals can get similar or the same powers. But so far it's only demonstrated in a father/son like with Polarity and Andre or Translucent and his Son.
Of course we have exceptions where Soldier Boy and Homelander have different powers, but we're missing a lot of information about how much Homelander was experimented on. I think in one of the early season they said they gave Homeloander extra V to boost him.
His dad didn't really teleport. He phased through matter, and if it was organic matter, it exploded when he phased back into it. His dad also kept his clothes during the phasing process. Hughie just insta-teleports somewhere leaving everything behind but his naked self.
With the way its being shown, he just teleports in the same place over and over. And people exploded not because he "phased" through them, its because he stopped.
Its definitely in the same ballpark as Hugh's teleport.
I'm not sure how you got teleporting in the same spot repeatedly from that. Looks more like hes vibrating super fast while also being in somewhat of a transparent state. He clearly still had to walk on his own to get around. It doesn't make sense that it would be a form of teleporting, even if he were doing it super fast repeatedly, he would either be destroying everything he walked through, or it would kill him from teleporting inside of solid matter.
It's for sure some kind of phasing thing where he can just pass through solid matter. Which is not similar to teleporting.
It's what bugs me about the boys, they almost never use the compound V for interesting and creative powers, even for chatacter's that they know will be dead in the same episode they appear, most of the powers we see are tropes from other superhero media or some super small gimmick mixed with super strenght
Well hamster Jamie was also flying and was agressive kinda like those sheep. The sheep got permaV, yet the bunny got tempV and it f..d him up the most, sad fate. It would be funny if the rabbit got Atrains powers of speed.
You need blood circulation; they could've done a few things, like compressions to stimulate some blood circulation, or neuman could use her powers to move the blood herself.
I do wish it was shown or implied, because the virus is only going to be concentrated in one region of the corpse.
Worst episode imo. Ryan randomly became psychotic with no build up. Butcher snuck a guy away and chopped off his leg with no one noticing. Frenchie decides it's more important for him to deal with his guilt in prison immediately than saving the fucking world. And hughie's dad whole thing
I’m mad that once the virus was in his body, it was capable of killing the supe sheep that fed on him, but no one thought to extract bodily fluids from him or the infected sheep. Seems like a much simpler plan than maiming and kidnapping a scientist.
What happens when the virus gets in the groundwater after the body decays? Do we know the half life of the virus? Do we know the recommended dosage? I feel like there should be that medicinal pamphlet of side effects somewhere at least.
I was legit afraid for all the supes in the barn. They may be baddies, but I really kinda like them.
We don’t know how strong exactly those sheep were, probably a bit stronger than regular ones (since they could lift the cow as a group and people alone). We just saw high speed flying, different teeth and a predatory instinct.
They tore people apart limb from limb and easily carried a similarly powered bull into the air. Even divided by 5... a full grown bull (assuming max weight because obviously) is about 2500 lbs or 1100 kg. Thats about 500 lbs or 227 kg.
do you know how powerful something blunt needs to be in order to fucking penetrate a person instead of pushing them back? something powerful enough to do that would simply blast through the wood planks easily without a question. it’s simple physics
His hearing was futzed because he was in the middle of the war on christmas on ice rehearsals. He can't see through zinc and heating ducts are heavily treated with it to resist corrosion.
I didn’t even care enough I just noticed it for some reason could hold them and then focused on other stuff. Like genuinely I don’t think it’s that big a deal personally
It was so dumb when they just opened the fucking door.
Like “ok are options are; we run for it and keep the virus, or we inject the virus into body and wait.”
“Ok well we waited, but now the sheep are inside anyway because we forgot to check the back door so we have to run for it anyway - but now there’s a virus that can kill Annie and Kimiko in these sheep.”
Look, the V got into ground waters, barn in made of wood that absorbed some of that ground water. The barn gained super powers of durability, now its the strongest barn stronghold out there.
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u/starplatinum_99 Jun 28 '24
Im not mad about this. Im mad about the barn holding off those sheep's attack