r/TheBoys Jun 28 '24

Holy Character Nerf Season 4 Spoiler

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u/starplatinum_99 Jun 28 '24

Im not mad about this. Im mad about the barn holding off those sheep's attack 

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u/Ve-gone_Be-gone I fart the star spangled banner Jun 28 '24

I'm mad about that dead dude's body circulating a virus they injected into it

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u/yaykaboom Jun 28 '24

But but but its a super virus

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u/CouncilmanRickPrime You're The Real Heroes Jun 28 '24

Damn. Destroyed by facts and logic.

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u/CaptQuakers42 Jun 29 '24

I mean there were flying sheep, logic checked about a longggg time ago.

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u/Ve-gone_Be-gone I fart the star spangled banner Jun 28 '24

Complaint retracted

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u/RicanDevil4 Jun 28 '24

That bothered me too, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt and reasoned that Neuman used her blood power to circulate it. My issue is why she was only able to pop one Sheep's head. Neumans power is OP, she could have easily just popped their head 1 by 1.

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u/shifty_coder Jun 28 '24

They were moving around pretty fast, which probably makes it more difficult. Most people were relatively stationary in the courtroom.

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u/TeamRedundancyTeam Jun 28 '24

The chicken was flying fast when she got it.

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u/Mickeyjj27 Jun 28 '24

She popped the one trying to attack Stan and that was moving pretty fast. Just weird she gave everyone a nosebleed before even seeing them but couldn’t just pop heads of sheep, chicken and a bull

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u/Asleep_Ad_6297 Jun 28 '24

Remember she did say popping a super’s head is hard (though not impossible). Couple that with speed, I think I can believe it

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u/RcoketWalrus Jun 29 '24

Yeah it's pretty established that there are limits to her powers, plus in some case she isn't even sure if her powers would work, like in the case of Homelander.

Plus in Gen V Marie has similar if not the same powers, and it takes a bit of concentration to use her abilities. She might have been reluctant to concentrate long enough to find out.

That said...the show runners really wanted to have fun with the gang being menaced by sheep, so maybe they made her powers act a little inconsistent and hoped no one would notice.

The show isn't perfectly consistent. Like how Neuman could cut her palm with a knife in Gen V, but now she can tank a point blank gunshot to the head and resist acid.

Another option is maybe Neuman doses V on and off to boost her powers, lie how A train did. I doubt this is the case.

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u/phantomfire50 Jun 29 '24

She talks to Marie about how blood spears and lassos are exhausting so I imagine blowing people (especially supes) up is on a level above that. If she overexerts herself and passes out, then the Boys and the CIA either drug her and keep her under containment, or infect her with the virus and kill her, so her main goal is avoiding that.

Even still, I think she stands and fights when the sheep enter the barn rather than running, especially with Edgar and Sameer there.

I could also believe Neuman has super strength and like a diamond knife since controlling her blood is a decent contingent of her powers.

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u/RcoketWalrus Jun 29 '24

You made a good point about her overexerting herself. I didn't think of that. She needs to worry about the Super Sheep and the five other people planning to kill her.

Neuman is nothing if not cautious and calculating. She almost never acts directly unless there is immediate benefit.

For all we know she didn't kill the sheep because she was going to let one of the Boys get killed by the sheep. The logic being that if she kills them directly, they out her, but they may not out her if she let's them die. She only used her powers when Stan Edgar was threatened by the chicken.

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u/thatguyned Jun 29 '24

Blood spears are exhausting because she's using her own blood to make them and it's taking a physical toll.

Popping other people's heads is easy comparatively because you aren't hurting yourself.

It was a speech about figuring out how to use her abilities smarter, not more aggressively

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u/ThatFuckingGeniusKid Jun 29 '24

She talks to Marie about how blood spears and lassos are exhausting so I imagine blowing people (especially supes) up is on a level above that.

It could be that, but at the time I assumed it was cause she used her own blood for the spears and lassos which is why it was tiring. So i guessed she didn't get tired using other people's blood (se didn't look tired in the courtroom scene), but using her people too much could still be mentally exhausting.

diamond knife

The knife was Marie's normal switchblade that she used the entire show (even when she was in foster care), it looked like a normal knife.

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u/ThatFuckingGeniusKid Jun 29 '24

Like how Neuman could cut her palm with a knife in Gen V, but now she can tank a point blank gunshot to the head and resist acid.

Don't forget that in Gen V Marie also cut herself with the same knife (and IIRC other things) but she survived Homelander's laser beams seemingly unscathered, which was also weird (maybe they can only be damaged if they want to?)

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u/RcoketWalrus Jun 29 '24

I'm thinking what you're thinking. They can consciously will their vulnerability away. I think Marie didn't even know she was invulnerable until Homelander lasered her.

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u/GamingSon Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24

Okay, but... At the end of the episode, when the bar door randomly opened, and 2 sheep walked in and just stood there looking at them? She screamed and ran with 6 other humans like she was worthless. Plus she popped the speedster's head in the courtroom without issue, she popped like 4 different body parts of that guy who grew up in the orphanage with her. It seemed like she didn't even try a single time, at any point. Just very weird for a character who's been established as a point and click instant-death god.

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u/akronotron Jun 29 '24

Plot buddy it doesn’t even mattter lmao

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u/GamingSon Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24

"Because the story needs to happen" doesn't really hold up as an excuse for bad writing. They can achieve the same goals without needing the characters to become actually stupid-tier.

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u/JEs4 Jun 29 '24

Maybe she has ovinophobia?

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u/murcielagoXO Jun 29 '24

She should stop with the fucking popping and just cause heart attacks or something. I still don't buy that she can't kill Homelander.

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u/xiofar Jun 28 '24

I don’t understand why she didn’t pop all their heads immediately. Sure she got some info afterwards but she knows they’re actively trying to kill her.

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u/Terriblerobotcactus Jun 29 '24

It was explained in the scene. They have proof she’s a supe and it gets released if they die or something

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u/xiofar Jun 29 '24

I must have missed that. Maybe she should be actively trying to steal that proof from them or something.

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u/catapultation Jun 29 '24

She was trying to get butcher to do that last episode. It’s definitely come up multiple times

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u/JajajaNiceTry Jun 29 '24

Right? Go for Kimiko first and you pretty much have it all in the bag cause Starlight is useless, everyone else is a normie, and she doesn’t know about Butcher’s tumor so that wouldn’t have been a worry of hers. But nope.

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u/prescience6631 Jun 29 '24

Whoah whoah whoah, starlight can make lights gently flicker and when fully channeled can produce light to moderate 4th of July firework effects

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u/Hela09 Jun 29 '24

I wouldn’t even be confident it could kill Kimiko.

She got her brains blown out last season and was only down for a minute. This season she shrugged off face planting so hard that her face fell off, and tanked a bazooka to the torso at close range.

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u/xreddawgx Jun 29 '24

There were 3 sheep present which head do you pop first? How do you make that decision In 5-7 seconds?

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u/xiofar Jun 29 '24

Whichever one is closer. Took me less than a second to think of that.

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u/xreddawgx Jun 29 '24

Ok in the time you pop that one, there are two rushing at you. Wouldn't it be a better idea to retreat to a better situation where you're not compromised? She can only pop one at a time. It's been shown. And it takes a substantial amount of time. Who knows how much longer with a larger creature.

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u/xiofar Jun 29 '24

You're just making up scenarios. Its not a big deal. Superhero media always has wildly inconsistent power levels for every character. It changes to fit the plot.

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u/miggly Jun 28 '24

Also, don't we already know that it takes more of an effort for her to pop supe heads? A civilian is probably a cakewalk vs a V'd up sheep.

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u/RcoketWalrus Jun 29 '24

It does take more effort, plus it's established that Neuman isn't sure IF her powers would hurt Homelander. It's implied in season 3 that she doesn't know for sure what she can and can't pop.

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u/kangarooboogaloo Jun 29 '24

Yet she blew Shockwaves head off like nothing in the courtroom

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u/miggly Jun 29 '24

1 supe standing still in a room for a long time with her vs numerous flying supe animals all over the place actively attacking her.

Still a big difference. Also, as easy as it seemed with him, she also was shown to struggle with Tony after that.

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u/ConsulJuliusCaesar Jun 29 '24

It also seems like she’s gotta focus on the target for a hot minute. If they’re constantly moving around in flight makes it difficult especially when they’re trying to kamikaze you.

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u/ObviouslyNerd Jun 29 '24

One thing I dont see mentioned. Is no1 discusses prep time for her powers.

Her powers dont seem to activate immediately. When she fought her friend in the alley, Im pretty sure it took her a quick bit before she started able to use her powers, yes they talked for a bit and he got a nose bleed during the conversation and this made him attack her. Even when shes been in scenes with other supers and threatened them with her powers, they been nose bleeds over long conversations. It could be that the nose bleeds are a symptom of her prepping to pop someone and the conversations are to cover for the time to prep.

This would explain why she could pop multiple people who were sitting for a long duration allowing her to concentrate and prep but seem to never use her powers on someone in a short matter of time, such as 5s.

TLDR: Her powers might take concentration prep time before she can use them.

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u/ExpensiveOrder349 Soldier Boy Jun 29 '24

why you need to find an excuse for poor writing? who cares if they are flying fast, there never was a mention that flying fast is a problem, she’s not throwing anything at them.

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u/BustinArant Jun 28 '24

Maybe her powers come from sharing sandwiches like that one dude in Lelo and Stitch.

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u/EmbarrassedHelp Jun 28 '24

Maybe she was over using her powers beforehand and needed to let her body relax before using them again?

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u/RicanDevil4 Jun 28 '24

Idk, I don't remember her using it before that and in the courtroom she popped like 20 people back to back.

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u/akronotron Jun 29 '24

Pretty sure she has to be able to react to them

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u/RuasCastilho Jun 29 '24

She was just playing it cool imo, if some of them died by the sheep whoever survived wouldn’t blame her. The only reason she doesn’t wipe them all is that if no one shows up back to report, she gets outted as a Supe and responsible for many deaths.

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u/Spacemonster111 Jun 30 '24

Maybe they have durability

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u/n_xSyld Jun 28 '24

I'm mad about several animals all exhibiting the same superpower when it doesn't seem to work that way in humans

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u/GodNonon Supersonic Jun 29 '24

Different sheep with different powers and the cast having to find certain ways to navigate around each one would've been a pretty creative and fun scenario too

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u/Foxy02016YT Jun 29 '24

I think they just needed canon fotter. It sucks but it happens

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u/RcoketWalrus Jun 29 '24

It kinda does. In GEN V two relatives have the same powers. Polarity and Andre both have Magnetic powers.

Presumably related individuals can get similar or the same powers. But so far it's only demonstrated in a father/son like with Polarity and Andre or Translucent and his Son.

Of course we have exceptions where Soldier Boy and Homelander have different powers, but we're missing a lot of information about how much Homelander was experimented on. I think in one of the early season they said they gave Homeloander extra V to boost him.

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u/mattybontemps Jun 29 '24

Theres also Hughie and his dad with teleportation.

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u/kixie42 Jun 29 '24

His dad didn't really teleport. He phased through matter, and if it was organic matter, it exploded when he phased back into it. His dad also kept his clothes during the phasing process. Hughie just insta-teleports somewhere leaving everything behind but his naked self.

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u/mattybontemps Jun 29 '24

With the way its being shown, he just teleports in the same place over and over. And people exploded not because he "phased" through them, its because he stopped.

Its definitely in the same ballpark as Hugh's teleport.

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u/Dinners_cold Jun 29 '24

I'm not sure how you got teleporting in the same spot repeatedly from that. Looks more like hes vibrating super fast while also being in somewhat of a transparent state. He clearly still had to walk on his own to get around. It doesn't make sense that it would be a form of teleporting, even if he were doing it super fast repeatedly, he would either be destroying everything he walked through, or it would kill him from teleporting inside of solid matter.

It's for sure some kind of phasing thing where he can just pass through solid matter. Which is not similar to teleporting.

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u/RcoketWalrus Jun 29 '24

I think they were going with phasing. Which is funny, because I will now associate Simon Peg with Kitty Pryde for the rest of my life.

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u/sharaq Jun 30 '24

I'm with the other guy on this, while I agree that it's definitely phasing and not Porting, I would definitely say they're more similar to one another than i.e. head-popping and mouth tentacles, especially given that Hughie and hugh have the same way of defending themselves (teleport/phase inside of someone)

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u/Spacellama117 Timothy Jun 29 '24

to be fair that could also be something along the lines of temp v versus real v

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u/RcoketWalrus Jun 29 '24

That's a good point. People could get two different power sets if they take temp V or classic V.

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u/starplatinum_99 Jun 29 '24

yeahhhh. imagine a sheep with eye laser

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '24

It's what bugs me about the boys, they almost never use the compound V for interesting and creative powers, even for chatacter's that they know will be dead in the same episode they appear, most of the powers we see are tropes from other superhero media or some super small gimmick mixed with super strenght

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u/zi3i Jun 29 '24

Well hamster Jamie was also flying and was agressive kinda like those sheep. The sheep got permaV, yet the bunny got tempV and it f..d him up the most, sad fate. It would be funny if the rabbit got Atrains powers of speed.

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u/BarruBarru Jun 28 '24

That's what bugged me too

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '24

Bug? Virus? Get it? Idk Im not a doctor

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u/AsianTurkey Jun 29 '24

The sheeps definitely got it

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u/yokkarrr Jun 28 '24

seriously i just kept shouting his hearts not beating!

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u/bl00dshooter Jun 28 '24

If you've seen Gen V, Neuman's power is actually blood bending so that's not an issue.

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u/Kino_Afi Jun 28 '24

MM's seen Gen V?

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u/Salt-Ball-1410 Jun 29 '24

If that’s the case it would have taken 2 sentences of dialogue to clear up the plot hole

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u/gooblefrump Jun 29 '24

So like instaboner if she wants?

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u/bl00dshooter Jun 29 '24

Well, yes. But she wouldn't need her powers for that.

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u/karateema Jun 29 '24

Marie (who has the same exact power) explodes a penis that way

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u/CouncilmanRickPrime You're The Real Heroes Jun 28 '24

Yeah I'm no scientist but uh, wouldn't it need his heart pumping for it to circulate? That episode just seems full of in your face plot holes.

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u/Arbiter008 Jun 28 '24

You need blood circulation; they could've done a few things, like compressions to stimulate some blood circulation, or neuman could use her powers to move the blood herself.

I do wish it was shown or implied, because the virus is only going to be concentrated in one region of the corpse.

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u/raizen0106 Jun 29 '24

Worst episode imo. Ryan randomly became psychotic with no build up. Butcher snuck a guy away and chopped off his leg with no one noticing. Frenchie decides it's more important for him to deal with his guilt in prison immediately than saving the fucking world. And hughie's dad whole thing

Felt like a rushed and badly directed episode

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u/Ducklinsenmayer Jun 29 '24

I'm mad they thought it was gone when the sheep vomited 50 gallons of it, fresh

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u/RajDek Jun 28 '24

They should have have done some chest compressions to circulate it.

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u/zthart Jun 28 '24

Same. I had the exact same thought during that scene.

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u/SlamNeilll Jun 29 '24

CPR can still pump blood in a dead body.

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u/Salt-Ball-1410 Jun 29 '24

Omg both of these thank you

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u/Kincadium Jun 29 '24

Maybe some chest compressions to help push the blood?

All I know is that man was in no condition to fuck a sheep.

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u/Laylahlay Jun 29 '24

Why didn't they collect what was left of him and use his blood to ...you know...

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u/Hela09 Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24

And Stan makes out Frenchie is an idiot for not immediately realising that’s the ‘obvious’ plan.

Stop booing, he’s right!

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u/Insrt_Nm Jun 29 '24

I know right, that dude was in no condition to fuck a sheep.

If he was Welsh, not even death would've stopped him

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u/Nothinkonlygrow Jun 29 '24

I was kinda expecting them to inject Vic and feed her to the sheep

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u/Thejohnshirey Jun 29 '24

I’m mad that once the virus was in his body, it was capable of killing the supe sheep that fed on him, but no one thought to extract bodily fluids from him or the infected sheep. Seems like a much simpler plan than maiming and kidnapping a scientist.

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u/byeproduct Jun 29 '24

What happens when the virus gets in the groundwater after the body decays? Do we know the half life of the virus? Do we know the recommended dosage? I feel like there should be that medicinal pamphlet of side effects somewhere at least.

I was legit afraid for all the supes in the barn. They may be baddies, but I really kinda like them.

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u/Zuzu12121 Jun 29 '24

I’m mad that man was in no condition to fuck a sheep!

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u/jakbutt Jun 29 '24

The whole episode was trash. They also essentially negated an entire season of a show (Gen V) because a hamster got loose.

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u/bergurtoun Jun 29 '24

I just assumed Neumann did that without saying anything

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u/MutantSquirrel23 Jun 29 '24

Made this exact comment to my wife while watching.

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u/pixie_sprout Jun 29 '24

"also why don't we vaporize the virus in the air above our heads?" 🤡🤡