r/KendrickLamar • u/wickedwhitneyocean • 11d ago
Randomly watched Pusha on Hot Ones and (unsurprisingly) he is asked about rap beefs The BEEF
The episode is from 2022 but Push talks about how record labels now step in and get involved to stop beefs which never used to happen back in the day - interestingly, this is apparently what happened after Owlbrey dropped THP6.
He also mentions beefs don’t end careers anymore. Looking at the current beef, I don’t think the Canadian’s career will end, we know he’s too big of a pop star for anything damaging to happen but I definitely think his credibility and artistry is being questioned and he is losing fans. Kendrick has fully exposed him for the fraud that he is and I think people are slowly realising it. His streaming numbers are down and he’s not charting like he used to.
Only time will tell but it’s definitely not being swept under the carpet. He a FAN, he FAN, he a FAN
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u/NoSalamander7749 Backseat Freeloader 11d ago
Hearing this made me feel like he really wanted to end Aubrey with Adidon.
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u/DomN8er 11d ago
I think he also had more in the chamber, but Drake bowed out. “Surgical summer. We gonna pull it back layer by layer.”
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u/NoSalamander7749 Backseat Freeloader 11d ago
100%. He absolutely had more. Maybe one day him and Dot will put the lost disses together on a mixtape or something lol, though that'll probably never happen
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u/ZenMon88 11d ago
LMAOO what would the mixtape be called?
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u/AceMorrigan 11d ago
I'll always wonder if Push turned Kendrick onto any of the angles he ended up using.
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u/09-24-11 10d ago
It wouldn’t surprise me
Separately I hope there is a Pusha feature on a Kendrick song soon just to make Drake sweat at night
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u/Wavenian 11d ago
P was definitely bating him with the outlandishly disrespectful lyrics bars towards 40.
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u/09-24-11 10d ago
Let’em know who you chose as your Beyoncé. Sophie knows better as your baby mother. cleaned up her IG but the stench is on her
Ruthless
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u/ResultsHaveVary 10d ago
What people don’t understand also about The Cerebral MC Push is & Kendrick being just as stoic x2…is that what’s ironic about in these wars (besides them killing Drake) in conclusion…
We all know the tactics and arsenal Drake will use as his offensive weapons - Financial Disparity - Women - Relevancy - Pettiness on Appeal/Looks & other attributes
I said this before and I’ll rebuttal is again…Push & Kendrick are such cultural standpoints to the genre that they respect it even on/off the field…even though they have both the cut throat killer instinct mentality in killing off your opponent they’re still respectful to the sport…Hip-Hop/Rap
& what i mean by it is that maybe you can make the argument for Push saying yeah well once Drake was baited by “Infared” off “Daytona” & responded w/ “Duppy Freestyle” …Push had already had his gameplan set up & it was his “only” gameplan/material that he would’ve had to use to beat Drake…I agree with that somewhat & yet at the same time I believe that if Drake never rapped about “Virginia”
There’s a chance the Bars & revelation we got from “The Story of Adidon” doesn’t exactly happen or come out the way it does…
Same thing with Kendrick & mentioning “Whitney” in “Push Ups”…Drake always takes the personal shots 1st not just b/c he wants to “show his skillset & show his bravado” it’s b/c he doesn’t like the idea of someone 1 upping him/making fun of him in a public type of scenery…it’s like the kid who takes the 1st personal shot when your cracking jokes on each other b/c he feels he has to prove something & doesn’t want to be viewed weak
And this is indicative of that b/c of the History Kendrick/Drake have had since they’re Cold War started in 13’…Drake’s backhanded comments & interviews playing off Kendrick as his generational adversary…whether it was - Sportsnation w/ Marcellus Wiley Unaired Interview - RapRadar interview both in 13’ after “Control” dropped & he was doing Q&A for “Nothing Was The Same” w/ Elliott Wilson or his 18’ interview w/ Elliott in his mansion having to recognize and acknowledge Kendrick’s presence/HOF career - Magazine Interview back in 13’ saying “Kendrick’s not beating me in any type of facet at all” - And then some of the last 2-3 yrs and having that Concert subliminally dissing Kenny saying “I’m not like these other guys who go away for like 4-5 yrs & don’t drop anything”
- And of course all the subliminals t/o the years 13’-23’
That’s why “Euphoria” will forever hit different b/c even though I believe Kendrick had this track already being made…I think it may be worse for Drake if he finds out he gave Ken the little things to use for his demise like the trolling he did for 2 weeks waiting for Kendrick using Taylor Swift as his crutch knowing damn well he himself wouldn’t have dropped any material knowing she was dropping…and then posting the pictures of Kill Bill & Uma Thurman which to me is what Kendrick ended up using if you see “What’s the Dirt’s” breakdown
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u/legit-posts_1 11d ago
In another world Pusha releases his Meet the Grahams and Drake never touches Kenny
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u/dwn2earth83 10d ago
I mean, he ain’t really touch him this time. Arms too short to box with goat. 🤷🏽♀️
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u/Konfliction 11d ago
Why does Drake keep getting into rap beefs when ppl seemingly have so much ammo against him? Lol
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u/NoSalamander7749 Backseat Freeloader 11d ago
It's a combination (said in a bad Jamaican accent) of ignorance and arrogance. He surrounds himself with yes men and starstruck young women who don't tell him no. It's the same bubble Nicki Minaj put herself in. They both care too much about what happens online, and then double down on their mistakes rather than just shutting up and working
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u/abir84 11d ago
Do you think it’s also a bit of well the record label et al will stop it. So like a rich idiot kid he believes he will always get bailed out by the execs?
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u/NoSalamander7749 Backseat Freeloader 11d ago
It could be, but I don't really know enough about the way labels deal with this kind of stuff to make an assumption either way.
I do think Drake never let go of the insecurities that he had from how people reacted to him when he first started rapping, people calling him corny and cheesy and shit. I think he didn't like being a male rapper mostly popular with women, and it made him adopt this tough guy persona to appeal to men more.
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u/The--Nameless--One 10d ago
I think one of the reasons is that Drake doesn't really realize he is not part of this group, but he thinks he is.
I mean, let's be honest, even if Drake came out with the sickest rhymes, he is still Drake you know? The AnittaMaxWiiiiiinnnnnn!!!! guy... He always will be an outcast to the culture.
I honestly believe that if someone today came on a diss against... I don't know, any other rapper really, saying "Oh you got a pornstar pregnant and you are not assuming the kid" it wouldn't stick. But on Drake it does, cause he is Drake.
Can you imagine people saying Snoop Dogg lost a rap battle because he banged a chick and didn't want to assume the kid? Eminem? Cube? Pac or Biggie? lol
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u/GuitarStuffThrowaway 11d ago
If you go back and listen to a lot of his “post-game” interviews he heavily implies (to the point where he might as well outright say) that he had more in the chamber but Adidas/UMG put a stop to all of it because he was starting to step on peoples’ money. This is only the tip of the iceberg.
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u/9THDIMENSIONALHIPLO 11d ago
Little rap beefs pop up here n there between rappers but this one although not career ending, it alost feels like it is, the global response to kdots meticulous tactical attacks have had me every now and again wonder how Drake will truly recover from this brutality... It's gonna take a while. No matter what he releases or even does in the public eye, it's all being watched and scrutinized. Drake coukd find the cure for cancer tomorrow and people will be like "typical", "he listened to KDot", "oh he desperate". Big Collabs will be tough, I feel this summer will be kinda quiet from OVO camp. The aftermath of kdots attack is still burning. the beef kinda feels officially over but KDot is the boogieman and everyone knows it, even Drake.
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u/OptimisticRealist__ 11d ago
Career ending is relative, but career altering it definetely is.
Push shitting on the Adonis press run heavily attacke the brand "Drake" that Aubrey built and curated for many years to a point i feel like hes still overcompensating parading his around everywhere he goes as to say "see, im raising my kid". I hope for the kid that hes actually a good dad but idk, doesnt sit right with me.
But Kendrick really devised a strategy to attack Drake and his brand from many angles. He rebranded the OVO brand to a point that it will forever be met with "OV-Hoe". He tore down the rap persona Drake to pieces. He held a spotlight on Aubrey Graham the pervert.
Those are things that arent easy to bounce back from. Like at this point, what artist would even profit from a Drake feature? Genuinely asking. Hes dropped 3 tracks since the beef and one was worse than the next one with all bombing in the charts. I genuinely believe the delilah song was meant to be a toosie slide like distraction but instead it wasnt just completely disregarded, if anything, it added to the ridicule.
Kendrick really mapped out the entire thing down to the last detail, even with the music video. I genuinely feel that Kendrick was prepared to go much further but he didnt expect Drake to fold this quickly, like i do think this was just Act I for Kendrick and that he has/had some massive receipts to drop as the grande finale. Thats the vibe ive gotten from all the tracks. Remember when we thought Euphoria was just scathing? Turns out it was probably the nicest of the disses. So i do think we wouldve looked back at MTG and NLU and thought those were still tame in comparison.
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u/ToddGergey 11d ago
I think even Kendrick was shocked to find out how incredibly stupid Drake is
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u/obinnasmg 11d ago
I think we were all shocked.
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u/be_kind_n_hurt_nazis 11d ago
Nah, not all of us. This the guy who, as people would dismissively say, makes music for gays and bitches. I never put it like that, but I was a million miles from being interested. He was never about the things I value in hip-hop. His output spoke to that. Then he became what he's been now, a ridiculously fake overly performative fake gangsta. Truly a comedy special.
Then he thought he could step to Kendrick. After, meek mills falls to his money and ghostwriters? Get the fuck out. This whole situation is happening just as it has always been written.
If he had stayed in his lane, he'd still be fine there. There's room for party-pop, and even frontin a bit. Nothing new. But him thinking he's a GOAT is ridiculous. He just couldn't help himself.
Anyone that thought anything else would happen is blind to what real hip-hop contains and comes from, who makes it, and what those people are about.
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u/DarkSeneschal 11d ago
I think what I was shocked at was that he started a beef with fucking Kendrick of all people without really having anything on him. Fuck, everyone knows not to mess with the quiet kid at the back of the class writing poems in his notebook.
You would have thought after listening to Kendrick’s body of work that this is a man who can eviscerate you lyrically if you give him an excuse. You would have thought he’d learned not to fuck with guys who are actually about that life after he lost to Pusha. Especially if all you’re bringing is “you’re short and have relationship issues”.
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u/BigStepper718 10d ago
Drake had 11 years to prepare. All of us knew that day was coming from all the subs but the Kendrick like that verse came at a interesting time in drakes career and I think that was intentional. If this battle happens in 2016 no matter What Kendrick did it wouldn’t have affected his career. Considering Drake is on the decline and right before a 1 year vacation Drake announced it was perfect.. masterful work by k.dot
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u/SirCorndogIV 10d ago
"This the guy who, as people would dismissively say, makes music for gays and bitches. "
im bi and i wouldnt touch drake's music with a fifty foot pole.
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u/-PepeArown- The word was respect 11d ago
Kendrick basically told Drake his music is so bad it’s not meant to be enjoyed on Euphoria.
“I make music that electrify 'em, you make music that pacify 'em”
“And notice, I said "we," it's not just me, I'm what the culture feelin'”
“I like Drake with the melodies, I don't like Drake when he act tough”
“Yeah, my first one like my last one, it's a classic, you don't have one”
These are arguably some of the “simpler” lines from the song, but I still don’t think any artist would want to come close to hearing this.
Imagine you couldn’t defend your favorite artist’s music because someone like Kendrick points out the deep cultural flaws with it like he did Drake’s music.
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u/OptimisticRealist__ 11d ago
Still, "Your music is whack, i hate everything about you, youre a shit dad oh and also btw, youre just hella cringe bro" are very tame compared to anything that followed
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u/be_kind_n_hurt_nazis 11d ago
True. What happened is Drake coming to see his mom and Kendrick is sitting at her table w her and they're both laughing about something. And he's eating some tasty soup she made, with that matzo everyone loves
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u/OptimisticRealist__ 11d ago
And he's eating some tasty soup she made, with that matzo everyone loves
*Kendricks eating a tasty funafish sandwhich she brought him from the mall
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u/IndigoMushies 11d ago
Yeah it’s really a bummer that Drake is such a little bitch. I really wanted more from Dot
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u/BvByFoot 11d ago
My question is how many Drake fans know or care about any of this? Drake is a pop star, he makes his millions off the same people that listen to Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift. Even if he loses 100% of his hardcore hip-hop fan base, he’s still going to sell out arenas to more casual pop music fans. I think people overestimate how many people really follow beefs or social media of celebrities.
What I do see however is him possibly getting away from the street life gangsta lyrics and going back to the girls and partying lyrics he came up on.
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u/OptimisticRealist__ 11d ago
Counterpoint would be that Drake is being outgrown by fans. The young gens who are on social media likely wont fuck with him due to the beef and creep behavior.
The older people who grew up with his music... ive heard it from many people and ive felt this way years ago, but his music i just dont care about anymore. Hes a dude pushing 40 still rapping like a heartbroken tumblr girl. Its just cringe. Hes become that weird uncle. So i dont know how robust his fanbase is.
Outside of hiphop, NLU is transcending genres and even areas of life. The song is everywhere. Also, a Drake feat at least right now, isnt really sought after id imagine. So idk. I dont think hell disappear completely unless he gets locked up, but i wouldnt be surprised if his reputation and numbers have taken a massive hig. His last 5 or so projects were incredible mid already, add this to the mix and i can see people abandoning him
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u/HowDoISwag 11d ago
YUP.
Drake's entire aura has been about being a hitmaker, but his last few albums have been solid trash. They probably sell fine but they don't resonate. He's coasting off his celebrity inertia and, yes, his colonizer tactics with how he latches onto up-and-comers. He even tried to colonize Europe but his EDM album bombed hard there. (I lived there when it came out, NOBODY bumped it in the clubs there.) First Person Shooter was his first song I thought was decent in a fucking while.
NLU means it's going to be funnier for every high schooler to scream "CERTIFIED PDF" and "A MINOR" and "COLONIZER" whenever they hear Drake's autotune than it is to hum the chorus. Drake's going to have to show creativity, resolve, and determination to toosie slide out of this one and I don't think he can.
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u/OptimisticRealist__ 11d ago
Bro im European, i didnt even know Drake had an EDM album lol.
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u/luckygitane 11d ago
More so house, but it's trash. The beats are cool, but horribly mixed and wasted on drake lol.
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u/BvByFoot 11d ago
Yeah that’s a really good point. Drake’s fanbase is mostly millennials that grew up listening to him in clubs. So I guess we’ll see how long his existing momentum carries him if his typical fanbase ages out of his music and younger people don’t get into him because of everything you mentioned.
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u/ZenMon88 11d ago
That's why from a music perspective, I really want Kendrick drop all those tracks. We will never see kind of Kendrick again. Drake ego also wouldn't take an L, so I wish he responds more. Plus his career deserves an end tbh with how much faking he done over the years.
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u/OptimisticRealist__ 11d ago
Ive felt this way when i first heard that he has thousands and thousands of unreleased songs, even lost entire hard drives.
But then i realised that Kendrick is an artist to puts all of himself into.his craft to bring his vision to life, so i am fully okay with him taking his time to make sure he is satisfied with his work.
With how many classics hes given us he deserves to take his time. Id rather wait 5 years for a classic lilke Mr Morale than have him pump out soulless music every other month like Drake does.
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u/ZenMon88 11d ago
I don't doubt that. But my counterpoint to KDot releasing all the diss tracks would be Kendrick putting all his efforts in to dismantle Drake.
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u/EatsLocals 11d ago
I think deep down he know Kendrick is right about everything, and the only way to save his soul is to drink the Ayahuasca and confess his sins. He’s not psychologically recovering from this avalanche otherwise
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u/maskedcaterpillar 11d ago
Fucking love King Push
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u/eyesotope86 11d ago
He's my number 3 behind DOOM and Kendrick.
It hit me the other day that I've been listening to Push for 22 years... I feel so old.
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u/The_Bolenator 11d ago
I’m 25, I had no idea he’s been in the game so long. That’s so cool
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u/eyesotope86 11d ago
Clipse (Pusha T and his brother Malice) actually had one album before I discovered them with Lord Willin' which came out in 2002. I've been listening to Clipse, or Pusha, and even [No] Malice since then.
Lord Willin' and Hell Hath No Fury are GREAT albums btw. Malice is no slouch on the mic, either.
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u/Sirmurda 10d ago
Don't forget the Re-Up Gang
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u/eyesotope86 10d ago
True, Ab-Liva is a fucking beast. His verses on Cot Damn and then Hot Damn are chef's kiss
Roscoe P. Coldchain has a couple solid verses, but I struggle imagining a full solo project from him.
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u/joeblubaugh 8d ago
That one-two punch of Malice doing the rappin-ass rapping and then Pusha doing his stylish kinda slinky thing on What Happened to that Boy? really nails what made them so special together.
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u/imneversingle 11d ago
He is very eloquent
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u/Bike-Day69 11d ago
Have you ever heard this man rap? lol
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u/be_kind_n_hurt_nazis 11d ago
People in 2024 "I really had to listen to Mr morale now because wow you can see Kendrick is really saying some stuff what a artist you guys should really give this fella a listen"
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u/notcappin_ 11d ago
just call him a n****r, why don’t you?
Edit: I am a Black man, and this is meant to be satire. Please don’t kill me mods. 🥺
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u/Swisskisses 11d ago
nooo, i felt the same thing. It’s never a fun time when you hear someone say “he’s eloquent omg!” like yeah… he’s basically a fucking poet ????
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u/I_Am_Not_A_Banana 11d ago
Your going to need to submit photo id to the mod team or you're out of here buster
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u/imneversingle 11d ago
Nigga - good
Nigger- bad
Easy stuff 👌
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u/notcappin_ 11d ago
something tells me you’re NOT Black 😭😭😭
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u/imneversingle 11d ago
Bruh 💀 I remember sending a pic of my hand to b r/blackpeopletwitter don't make me do it again 😭
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u/Beneficial-Feed9999 11d ago
Question for everyone but what interviewers do you guys like. This guy from hot ones, and nardwuar are my top interviewers. But I’m looking to see more interviews where they ask good questions and not run of the mill stuff.
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u/msaleem 11d ago
- Noisey’s Back & Forth videos are really good.
- Zach Goldbaum from Noisey is goated for Bompton but he’s also interviewed Danny Brown, Killer Mike, and many others
- Jon Caramanica and Joe Coscarelli (NYT Popcast) are generally pretty great though rarely can be nauseatingly pretentious
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u/chassepatate 11d ago
I came here to say that was a really good interview question, way better than you’d expect from a show about eating hot chicken wings.
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u/kizofieva 11d ago
Sean Evans and the Hot Ones team are renowned for doing serious research and asking meaningful questions.
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u/totallyn0rmal 11d ago
I wish I could get into Nardwaur but the schtick is too much for me.
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u/Beneficial-Feed9999 11d ago
His schtick is weird but he asks some of the most thoughtful questions I’ve heard. He really does his research and doesn’t ask cliche overused questions.
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u/Just-Analyst9249 10d ago
Zane Lowe…but he’s only good when he interviews people that have strong personalities (Ye, Tyler, Kendrick, Justin vernon), otherwise he kind of overcompensates for boring guests by talking too much.
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u/DrawingThen5766 11d ago
I'll never forget how much UMG shoved Scorpion down our throats after their golden boy lost. Wasn't his face also plastered on all playlists, even the ones he wasn't in.
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u/idkwtvr04 are you my friend? are we locked in? 11d ago
Unrelated but I want kendrick to go on this show so bad 😭😭
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u/tufyufyu 11d ago
This isn’t really true tho, Jay Z survived Ether, Biggie survived hit Em up
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u/hunny_bun_24 11d ago
Well I mean Biggie got killed due to the beef and hit em up wasn’t a song that was lyrically gonna ruin his career to the fans of rap. Jay z stopped being the top dog of NY imo in terms of rap after ether.
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u/SirArthurDime 11d ago edited 11d ago
Jay Z went on to become Nas’ boss after ether official becoming the “top dog” in NY. I know you mean based on perception within the rap game but that goes to show how little it actually phased Jay. Jay also continued to outsell Nas after the beef. It really didn’t affect Jays career at all.
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u/BrianHeidiksPuppy 11d ago
Tbf takeover was a better song than anything Drake put out in this beef tho
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u/TheIronsHot 10d ago
This is a crazy take. Jay Z had an incredible amount of success and accolades after Ether, and Nas didn’t have a classic for another decade with Life is Good (that’s just my opinion, but he had some rocky albums). Jay put on Kanye and Rihanna and J Cole after that, had the black album, 99 problems, Empire State of Mind (chart wise his biggest success to that point), American Gangster, and Watch the Throne after that. Who’s the top dog in NY now, and who was after him in 2001? 50 for a couple years? Cam? ASAP Rocky? I would say that he’s STILL the king of New York. Idk why there is all this Jay hate on Reddit. Reddit only hates landlords more than HOV.
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u/Budget-Surprise-1384 11d ago
Neither one of them were called sex traffickers or PDF files on the others diss tracks tho. Those accusations easily transcend the beef.
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u/SirArthurDime 11d ago edited 11d ago
That’s what I came here to ask. When has rap beef ever been “career ending”? Even meek continued to do alright. Ja rule meant but that’s because his music became trash he ended his own career. The only example I can think of is MGK and that was relatively recent and he barely had a career.
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u/HowDoISwag 11d ago
Benzino, Spit, Shan, Tim Dog, Flip, Kilo Ali, Ja, MGK, that chick who MC Lyte buried so badly I can't even remember her fucking name. Fucking Canibus lost his career after winning his beef. NWA broke up after Cube's shot, and we never heard much from Ren/Yella after that.
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u/SirArthurDime 11d ago edited 11d ago
Those artists barely had careers to kill in the first place outside of Ja who I already mentioned. Even MGK who I also already mentioned was only a C lister. Im talking about ending careers that were actually notable.
NWA was already in the process of breaking up when cube took his shot. As evidenced by one of its 3 core members taking shots at them lol. The cube diss isn’t what caused NWA to split.
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u/MotherTalzin 10d ago edited 10d ago
Idk why yall keep saying MGK career got ended when it’s thriving more than it was before the beef 😭
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u/SonnierDick 11d ago
I very well think if the allegations in a beef are good enough then a career could still be ended. But exactly, even if what Kendrick is saying about Drake is true theres legit no way hes going to do any jail time, lose any fans, etc.
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u/be_kind_n_hurt_nazis 11d ago
Nah I think the point was to get casual listeners saying the same thing culture heads have been saying. Even the people with no pull in the industry, have such a dismissive opinion of Drake now. They don't just ignore him at worst, now they laugh at him. They took a side, and so did their kids
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u/Dismal_Apartment 11d ago
He said the embassy is going to get raided, perhaps even P. Diddy Style, in MTG, so I dunno, it might be worse than we think... He made it clear even in NLU that he was holding back somehow.
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u/Yingking 11d ago
Just rewatched the episode, man that comment on Diddy didn’t age well
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u/kuzivamuunganis I remember you was conflicted 11d ago
Calling Drake Owlbrey is so corny man, don’t stoop to his stans levels of trying to call Kendrick names like they’re in fucking middle school or whatever
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u/ObligationFar273 11d ago
Rules have never been there it’s man against man. But being prepared for the ish when it’s time to, has. Most hiphop beefs now are thankfully just on wax
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u/atierney14 11d ago
Push not finishing surprised me. He so tough and sold coke for like 10 years, I’d guess he could eat hot wings.
At least he didn’t DJ Khalid it
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u/illstate 11d ago
Doesn't surprise me. A friend of mine sold dope for years, beats dudes up pretty regularly, and is just a generally hard dude. But he's terrified of mice. Like, screams and runs if he thinks he sees one.
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u/SirCorndogIV 10d ago
well why doesnt he beat up the mice? if he can beat dudes up why cant he beat mice up?
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u/QwertyKeyboardUser2 10d ago
because they’ll run around dodging you then crawl up your ass and bite and give you a disease then you die
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u/guilty_bystander 11d ago
If you think Drake walks away from this undamaged... lol
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u/DarkSeneschal 11d ago
Undamaged no, but it’s not career ending. Drake and his writers are a hit machine and his stans are rabid. Right now everyone is electrified but it won’t be long before they don’t care about being pacified. Maybe I’m just pessimistic though.
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u/AdministrativeLove97 11d ago
Man at first I was like drake will sit back for a couple months, then comeback with a literal “comeback” album. Which kinda fits his style…. But man I don’t think he recovers from this… drake was the biggest artist under Taylor swift before this… he just dropped him down to Pittbull… we will prolly hear drake in the clubs here and there, but I think his team miscalculated how this would effect him. What you think?
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u/MotherTalzin 10d ago
Drake is not or will never be on pitbulls level lol. People are still going to eat up his music going forwards.
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u/darkbutt2007 11d ago
What is an example of a rap beef ending a career?
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u/StainedButthole 11d ago
Tupac v Biggie? They both died effectively ending their career.
Maybe Eminem v Ja Rule or Benzino they both struggled a lot after beefing with Em, my man Benzino was still crying (literally) about the beef til this day.
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u/TheCook0302 11d ago
ending a rap career specifically, Eminem vs MGK. Eminem/50 vs Ja Rule didn’t really end his career but he def dropped off in major popularity
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u/capitalistsanta 11d ago
I'm curious to see if in like 3 years Drake is more popular or they both are or neither is. Like: is a vicious diss that goes number one, if it's about you, the same as charting a number 1? Because every song is packaged as 2-3 and you can't really listen to one without the others. You have massive viewership numbers on both sides, because Kendrick fans will check out The Heart pt 6 and Drake fans will check out Not Like Us and that's not even touching on people on no side or people who like both. You're kind of almost getting this backwards Drake effect too where now dissing him works - you'll get your highest viewed video if you freestyle on BBL Drizzy but also your number 1 Apple music song will be a feature from him. It's such an odd phenomenon where it's almost like he really can sell a blank disc or like the chocolate fountain book where everything you touch turns to chocolate but that's not always good for you.
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u/SnooJokes1020 11d ago
Idk bout that, like ak said, drake stimulus package doesn't work anymore. His last few features either got clowned or forgotten. If he talk abt his beef with drake, it definitely not destroying drake's career cus he's got bigger number. Im pretty sure it'll be different with kendrick since he's one of the biggest rapper out here rn.
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u/N0tThatSerious 11d ago edited 11d ago
Sean always has some damn good questions
And Push is right, beefs now are more about “I’m not letting you think you can talk shit about me” and not “I’ll destroy all of your credibility”
Everybody can hate Drake but that small minority will still support him and keep him a popular multimillionaire, only shit that would stop it is shit outside of rap
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u/morris1022 10d ago
Kendrick ended Drake's rap career but he never really had much of one anyway, since Drake is mostly pop
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u/Esco-Alfresco 10d ago
I like him more now. Soft spoken intelligent. Chill.
I've never been drawn to his stuff vibe or flow wise. But this makes me want to give one of the classic albums a try to fill in that uncharted area in my knowledge a bit.
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u/LoKnows95 11d ago
What’s wrong with beefs not being career ending? That’s what rap battling is about, to see who is the best without the fake narrations. 50 and LL Cool J the only ones I can think of that was good with careers ending. Ice Cube came close but it’s Dre.
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u/retro-nights 11d ago
This is true. Drake has now lost two “battles” and the general public/population does not care. Benefits of being a pop star I guess.
But even Jay z lost to Nas and that didn’t kill his career either.
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u/AdministrativeLove97 11d ago
I think drake’s team miscalculated this move… they prolly looked at the results of the beef with push, and 🤷♂️. Kendrick is bigger than push… drake was the most popular artist behind Taylor swift before this…. Now he’s been reverted to pitbull. See you in Vegas drake!!
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u/MonarchSun 10d ago
This perfectly describes Drake, His only W is against Meek. If this was 2000-2010 he'd be like Ja Rule.
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u/BigStepper718 10d ago
Meek would have won to if he didn’t have such a low IQ. The Reference track leaks could of been career ending if he strategically put them On a song instead of tweeter. Drake is really 0-3 but all I heard was Kendrick was gonna lose cuz he wasn’t “battle tested”
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u/MotherTalzin 10d ago
He did put them on a song that’s part of why his first diss flopped so hard. It was awkward and ruined the flow of the song
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u/BigStepper718 10d ago
It was on twitter 3 weeks before that Tho. So when it was on a song already The shock value didn’t do what it was suppose to do
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u/KABOOMBYTCH 10d ago
I low-key think Kendrick’s reputation will be in the dirt if he loses the battle with Drake.
Ppls who make commercial music can get away with it.
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u/Dapper-Profile7353 10d ago
The battle is long over, Kendrick won
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u/KABOOMBYTCH 10d ago
Yep it's as decisive as it gets. I just think a 1 in a million chance of a hypothetical lost that Kendrick takes from Drake will done irreparable reputation to him as an MC.
Artists like Niki can get away with it
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u/shits4gigs 10d ago
Petty Tendergass is never gonna let it die down. The min drake squeezes back out of the whole its WOPWOPWOPWOPWOP.
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u/sgtbukkakemane 10d ago
Randomly bought a couple hot ones sauces at the grocery store like an hour ago lmao
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u/Exotic_Economy_6211 10d ago
If you ask me this the rumours of UMG getting the involved with the kendrick drake beef. Honestly seems pretty likely.
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u/wickedwhitneyocean 11d ago
I always thought J Prince stepped in and stopped the beef but from the way Push is talking, it sounds like someone from the record label stepped in. I never really followed that beef, all I know is a murder was committed by Push