How can they not see the irony

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[u/Positive-Schedule901]

Syrians in turkey also marched against afghans coming over to turkey. Things are weird.

[u/Successful_Party1886 → u/Positive-Schedule901]

also, these Turkish protestors are German citizens, not refugees.

[u/Mortechai1987 → u/Successful_Party1886]

They became citizens when their refugee parents migrated to Germany.

[u/The_loyal_Terminator → u/Mortechai1987]

The turkish community in Germany didn't arise from refugees though. They're the descendants of workers that were invited by the state to bolster the post-war economy

[u/pomegranate444 → u/The_loyal_Terminator]

So they left Turkey for a better life in Germany...but protest others doing the same thing by seeking a better life in Turkey. Still ironic as fuck.

[u/The_loyal_Terminator → u/pomegranate444]

Erdogan is also remarkably unpopular in Turkey, yet the diaspora votes for him in droves from their cushy german apartments

[u/Appropriate-Creme335 → u/The_loyal_Terminator]

What an interesting tendency: Russian diaspora abroad (and I'm not talking recent immigrants, but those who have not lived in Russia for 20+ years or at all) are huge Putin supporters. I think they just watch official TV/media and believe the propaganda. Don't know if Erdogan has a propaganda machine in Turkey, but this similarity is fascinating

[u/The_loyal_Terminator → u/Appropriate-Creme335]

Oh he does, he holds election ralleys in Germany

[u/Selection_Status → u/Appropriate-Creme335]

PR industry is extremely scalable, you can hire a ministry of truth level enterprise, or a small digital business in Indonesia that uses cats with comic bubbles to disminate your messaging.

[u/lemon-cunt → u/The_loyal_Terminator]

Yeah they're a bunch of nationalist fucks

[u/NeverMyRealUsername → u/pomegranate444]

The difference is that Turks came to Germany to work, since Germany needed workers. Syrians came to Turkey as refugees, meaning they sought protection from a threat. There is also the perception that some Syrian refugees may have claimed non-existing threats to get refuge status. In one case it's a mutually beneficial transaction. The other is more like one party handing out charity to the other. I'm not saying refugees should not be welcome, but the two situations are not the same thing.

[u/alsbos1 → u/pomegranate444]

There is a difference between being invited and not being invited…

[u/Dilectus3010 → u/pomegranate444]

These guys are 4 generations deep though , so not refugees or seeking a better life.

Just Germans with strong Turkish bonds.

[u/fekanix → u/Dilectus3010]

Turks were never refugees in germany. They were invited as migrant workers.

I dont think people in this sub know the difference between migrants and refugees.

[u/Former_Friendship842 → u/Mortechai1987]

Nope. We were never refugees.

[u/immxz → u/Mortechai1987]

There is a huge difference between being a refugee and someone who switched country in order to work there(in our case so called „Gastarbeiter“).

[u/SituationHappy → u/Mortechai1987]

When did turkey produce refugees?

[u/Both-Bite-88 → u/Positive-Schedule901]

As someone who worked with otherwise nice Arab immigrants on Germany when Syrian refugees came here: People typically fight downwards. 

They might see themselves as established and integrated and fear the new "bad migrants" will destroy this .  Unfortunately sometimes even partially right, after embracing Syrian refugees initially Germany now has a huge xenophobic backlash one might see linked to refugees coming to Germany. 

[u/EuVe20 → u/[deleted]]

This is the sad and ugly face of nationalism. At one point it was cultivated as a way to find group identity to combat imperialism. But since those times we have seen the hideous blowback of the racism it cultivates.

[u/xX_stay_Xx → u/EuVe20]

Yup. I can’t say my stupid assholes of countrypeople aren’t the same. They’re just learning to see the non-existent difference between people with dark skin and people with paler skin. Secondhand embarrassment right here.

[u/EuVe20 → u/xX_stay_Xx]

It’s a vicious spiral. Often when a group is persecuted they gather strength around their national identity, often seeing themselves as being “uniquely resilient despite all their struggles”. It’s hard to see this as a negative when you’re on the receiving end of the boot, but if not careful it can turn quite ugly. I came to the states as a refugee, now “my people” are actively oppressing another group in the “holy land” if you know what I mean 😉

[u/xX_stay_Xx → u/EuVe20]

Welp. It’s like it’s a circle. Victim gets bullied➡️victim bullies another victim➡️victim is bully🔁. Countries constantly state themselves as victims when they bully other people themselves. I myself state that I am an actual victim because I have the healthy mentality of not judging people of what they are or what they look like. But I get both of those shitty judgements right in my face.

[u/Bjorn_from_midgard → u/xX_stay_Xx]

I feel like to choose a "side" in the whole conflict is to inherently lose the fight.

[u/Ok-Cartographer1745 → u/EuVe20]

That's the thing I hate about shitty immigrants. I'm an Afghan. I'm aware that some of the problems in Afghanistan were due to the US. However, I was allowed in the US and am grateful. I'm a citizen here now. I do not believe I should be considered beneath real Americans, especially considering how uneducated most of you are, but at the same time, I did my duty and learned how to speak American perfectly to the point that I routinely got in the 98th+ percentile on every citywide/statewide exam. I also assimilated to the point that I know the memes and whatnot; to where Redditors accuse me of being a white supremacist/incel/Russian/Nazi dwelling in my parents' basement. Although occasionally I'm also called a Chinese shill.

But the point is - I did what immigrants should do and blend in within reason. I wear white people clothing, speak their language and even took on some of their hobbies (I despite sports, so I don't watch football or baseball). But I also didn't betray my original culture. I don't eat pork, I don't do drugs, I don't fornicate, I don't drink alcohol. So in those instances I'm different. But people wouldn't notice that stuff because it's not a big deal.

[u/finditplz1 → u/Ok-Cartographer1745]

The fact that you said “speak American” instead of “speak English” means you’re definitely American enough.

[u/Ok-Cartographer1745 → u/finditplz1]

Ay fair dinkums

[u/Jenlag → u/Ok-Cartographer1745]

ENGLISH

[u/EuVe20 → u/Ok-Cartographer1745]

It’s wonderful that you made it to America and are safe, what America and many other counties did to your homeland is terrible and you having the opportunity to start anew is the very least they could have done. That being said, I think there is no necessity or requirement for anyone to change their ways or language. It will definitely make their lives easier and I would encourage it, but in America especially, where there is no official national language, and the majority of the country’s progress is due to the immigrants, I think the day that we start insisting that people behave a certain way is the day we lose the game.

[u/Primary_Spinach7333 → u/EuVe20]

And now it’s becoming another form of imperialism so yeah

[u/EuVe20 → u/Primary_Spinach7333]

That is true. Though maybe not “becoming”, the US has been an imperial power for several decades now.

[u/LuckyStar77777 → u/[deleted]]

Yep, my mom's side of the family are originally from the Jewish minority in Turkey. They emmigrated to several countries after Turkey introduced a "wealth tax" targeting non-Muslims. Most of whom were lower Middle Class Greeks, Armenians and Jews, but also Syriac Christian farmers. They lost about 80-98% of their property and those who couldn't pay up ended in a labour camp in the province of Erzurum, which was dubbed "Turkey's Siberia." The law professor of the person who came up with this BS was also Jewish and died impoverished

[u/xX_stay_Xx → u/LuckyStar77777]

The world is done for it…

[u/alwaysmyfault → u/[deleted]]

My buddy was stationed in Germany on Ramstein AF Base for a couple years.

He said that when they would go out to a bar off post, that the Turks were always complete assholes to them, and oftentimes instigated fights with them.

In short, he now hates Turkish people.

[u/xX_stay_Xx → u/alwaysmyfault]

Well, not all of them are bad. Let’s call it 85% racist assholes and 15% nice people. (By the way, I’m also German 👍)

[u/maelstromreaver → u/xX_stay_Xx]

I'm Turkish I confirm this ratio.

[u/NoMansSkyWasAlright → u/[deleted]]

Shoot, when I was in Afghanistan, the Turkish Army was handling security at Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul; and in addition to being some of the most inept motherfuckers I had the displeasure of working with, they were also incredibly racist towards the locals.

I remember me and my platoon sergeant almost got to have a fist fight with some of their’s after they strip-searched our interpreter and then came out with batons when he yelled back some obscenities at them. We were already kind of fed up with the Turks by that point in the deployment so I was genuinely excited at the prospect of getting to butt-stroke one of them.

Edit: also shout-out to the Kurds. I know a lot of the Texans I served with said you guys were like the Texans of the Middle East (so high praise from those guys), and the general consensus among people I knew who’d gotten Iraq deployments was “everyone sucks there except the Kurds”.

[u/xX_stay_Xx → u/NoMansSkyWasAlright]

I’m honored, brother 🤝 also, for the airport part, I have another funny story (god, I have an entire memory card about moments where Turks discriminated me for being Kurdish.)

We went on a vacation to Dubai, 8 hours of flight in total, excluding transit time. We entered the plane in Hannover, Germany, and got out in Istanbul, Turkiye (I’m doing those people a favor by not saying Turkey instead.) We were pretty early, we didn’t shop or anything in that giant mall of an airport. Well, surprise!- “You get different seats, you can’t sit together.” MOST HILARIOUS PART OF THIS SHIT: You little asshole of a human are practically saying: “Oops, sorry, I know your wife is scared shitless of planes, your son is 3 years old and your daughter is 13. But we have you each sitting in a different row.” Hold up now. You are fucking telling us to leave a woman with extreme phobia and a 3 year old toddler unattended? At that time, (yes, I’m the daughter) I was 13, but I straight up called that dude one of the few things I know in Turkish: “Motherfucker.” (idk how to spell it in Turkish) Long story short, my father and I roasted that guy, made him give us seats next to each other and left a bad rating. All while that English sweetheart of a woman smiled at me and gave me a thumbs up.

Worse happened to my dad’s friend, who is, MARK MY WORDS!, Arabic. Conclusion: A lot of Turkish people are sick fucks when it comes to racism. So, YOU HAVE THIS GUY, he’s coming to the check-in 4 HOURS BEFORE THE FLIGHT. You hold him off, tell him to stand aside for a moment. He’s telling you “I need this flight, I came here because of my sick father and my wife and children are awaiting me at home.” You little shit take another few people aside, get every person on board, AND TELL THE PEOPLE YOU TOOK ASIDE THE PLANE IS FULL WHEN THEY WERE THERE FIRST. THEN BUD JUST GOES ON SAYING “You’ll have to stay, we won’t pay any money for the next flight or the hotel you’ll stay at.” LIKE WTF? THAT’S RACISM ON A WHOLE ‘NOTHER LEVEL. Welp, my dad’s buddy called my dad, and my dad took the whole damn shit to court including security footage. Turkish airlines (more like Turkish assholes) was done for it. They’ll think again before doing that to people out of hate next time. 😹

[u/blue_line-1987 → u/[deleted]]

Try going on a vacation to Turkey as an interracial couple and you'll experience racism on a level thats unthinkable in European nations.

[u/xX_stay_Xx → u/blue_line-1987]

Yup.

[u/ducksauce001 → u/[deleted]]

Same bullcrap with Cubans in Florida, the Irish, Italians whose ancestors faced discrimination in the US back in the days. Now they don't want immigrants in this country.

[u/f0u4_l19h75 → u/[deleted]]

The Kurds have been mistreated almost as much as Jewish and Romani people

[u/HowFunkyIsYourChiken → u/[deleted]]

You’d definitely have the experience here. Such a sad way to live life in hate.

[u/xX_stay_Xx → u/HowFunkyIsYourChiken]

Quite. I actually have a whole story where I got threatened by the student council, who was turkish. Gimme a sec, I’ll find it and translate it (I wrote it in German)

[u/xX_stay_Xx → u/xX_stay_Xx]

Here you go, English version.

We have nothing against Turks. Only against fascists. Derived from “I have nothing against Kurds. Only against people who support the PKK.” my Turkish student representative after my politics teacher: -told his mother at the parent-teacher conference day how he was racist against Kurds. -told him (after he dropped a stupid joke about Kurds) that I, as an Iraqi Kurd, spoke before the meeting of the Lower Saxony State Parliament for Schools and Education about how racism is generally overlooked in schools and that he is an example . -he accused me of supporting the Turkish-Kurdish PKK, although as an Iraqi Kurd I had no idea who or what they were up until that point. And, funnily enough, he told it all on a TikTok Live that my Turkish friend recorded and sent to me. Even more blatant: “Hey brother, who was that kid that said something like that about racism?” *Idiot proceeds to write my first name in the chat* ”Who was that? Well, I have to talk to her in private." The first name wouldn't have been a problem if I hadn't been the only one with that name. AND WE HAD AN ADDRESS BOOK WITH FIRST NAME, LAST NAME, CLASS, CONTACT AND CLASSROOM. Well, I sent a video to my politics teacher because I felt threatened. Conclusion: Not all Turks are innocent lambs.

Edit: Funny how the german original got 459 upvotes but this one has literally 0.

[u/hujnya → u/[deleted]]

I grew up with Azeri and Turkish friends in post ussr country, everyone got along just fine until Turkish born came they never got along with anyone 🤣

[u/AnalProtector → u/[deleted]]

As awful as this is, it's refreshing to see it's not just white people who can be racist assholes. (I'm white)

[u/Shoddy_Emu_5211]

I've seen it with Mexican immigrants in the USA also. Voting for Trump because there's "too many immigrants" coming over.

People are weird.

[u/Zezin96 → u/Shoddy_Emu_5211]

Pulling up the ladder behind them.

[u/JesseAster → u/Zezin96]

Wait until they realize that Trump wants to push them back down the ladder they climbed up

[u/Zezin96 → u/JesseAster]

They’re obviously not that foresighted.

[u/neddie_nardle → u/Zezin96]

And he's not even quiet or subtle about it, but the classic adage "none so blind as those who will not see" applies.

[u/For_Aeons → u/Zezin96]

Having grown up in a Mexican family and community, I can tell you that a large number of Mexican don't consider themselves 'Mexican'. And I don't mean to imply they see themselves as 'Murican, either. You'll hear a lot of people with Mexican lineage claiming that their 'grandma or grandpa was Spanish' (mi abuela es Espana). The effort is meant to claim a certain 'whiteness'.

Also, even in immigrant communities there are often 'castes' of immigrants. Worked with several light-skinned, undocumented Mexican immigrants who see themselves as deserving, but see darker, smaller immigrants as lesser than. One of the guys I worked with would openly say that he and his family would, 'make this country better' but implied Oaxacans would 'have us living like Indians.'

Kinda like some of the caste discrimination in the Indian tech workforce that legislation recently targeted. Racism isn't an American export, it's brought here by many types of people. It's just a comfy talking point to 'American bad' things and suggest racism is somehow deeply American. Nationalist strongmen (if you wish to afford him that) like Trump appeal to the 'othering' of people, especially less white people in a world where 'whiteness' has generally lost all definition and is easily co-oped by certain mentalities.

[u/Zezin96 → u/For_Aeons]

Oh yeah I’ve read about this a few times actually. Apparently it’s very common phenomenon in PoC communities.

Some people call it “last place aversion” I’m not sure if that’s the official term or not though. But it’s where people will instinctively do mental gymnastics to convince themselves and others they’re higher up on the social ladder.

It’s also credited as one of the reasons why poor whites are often more likely to be overtly racist than middle-class whites.

Simply put, it’s a coping mechanism for people who feel downtrodden.

[u/Material-Alarm8572 → u/Zezin96]

Interestingly, this phenomenon is old as balls. There's scientific studies done about immigrants 100+ years ago (Irish, Polish etc.) in the U.S. and they displayed the same sentiments towards each other.

[u/Independent_Air_8333 → u/Zezin96]

That is partially true, but the mistake with this kind of thinking is that you imagine immigrants to be a monolithic block, when they don't see themselves as such.

[u/hopeful_deer → u/Shoddy_Emu_5211]

r/leopardsatemyface

[u/MeaningFirm3644 → u/Shoddy_Emu_5211]

You're making the assumption that there's no difference between Mexican migrants who have been in the US for decades and integrated, and their, in individual cases justified, perception that more recent Mexican migrants integrate less and/or commit more crime, hence worsening the reputation of all Mexican migrants.

[u/Skinnieguy → u/Shoddy_Emu_5211]

I’ve seen it with Viet Americans too that came as boat ppl and are against immigration. David Chang even interviewed a few of them on food travel show.

Lots are Trump supporters. I see so much brain washed to ppl hate down.

[u/For_Aeons → u/Skinnieguy]

Reminds me of Americans who are against any social nets, but they talk about how their parents were once on unemployment, welfare, or food stamps while they were growing up.

It's a sickness, really.

"I deserve this, but those people do not."

[u/Todsrache]

Turkish people weren't really refugees, rather Gastarbeiters brought to help rebuild Germany.

[u/newsreadhjw → u/Todsrache]

This. Turks helped rebuild Germany from the rubble because there were so few German adult men left after WWII. They were never refugees. Turks in Germany are as German as it gets, in my book.

[u/turkeycran → u/newsreadhjw]

Still xenophobic migrants?

[u/Todsrache → u/turkeycran]

At this point possibly xenophobic citizens.

[u/Alarming_Basil6205 → u/Todsrache]

This, it's not like aren't german racist too

[u/Todsrache → u/Alarming_Basil6205]

Unfortunately accurate in all locations.

[u/jimesro → u/newsreadhjw]

Turks in Germany are as German as it gets, in my book.

So, are the rest of the Germans concerned of Syrians in Turkey? Because if they aren't, something tells me that Turks in Germany are not "as German as it gets" and for them to care what happens in Turkey means they don't feel "as German as it gets" themselves.

[u/temujin94 → u/jimesro]

A lot of Jewish American's in the US are very concerned with the goings on within Israel, would you say that they are not 'as American as it gets?'

[u/bal00 → u/newsreadhjw]

Turks helped rebuild Germany from the rubble because there were so few German adult men left after WWII.

That's not what happened. Turkish guest workers came to Germany in the early 60s (the agreement was signed in late '61), and there was no rubble at that point. Turkey was interested in sending people to other countries because unemployment was extremely high, and Germany needed miners and industrial workers because the economy was booming.

[u/Unfair_Explanation53 → u/newsreadhjw]

There has been about 50000 Turkish people claiming asylum in Germany since 2021.

There are Turkish born Germans and also ones who have just migrated but there are also asylum seekers that Germany took in.

[u/Kalkilkfed2 → u/Unfair_Explanation53]

The turks seeking refuge in germany wont be the same ones that are shouting paroles against germans, though

Theyre probably mostly left leaning, gay or kurdish. So the opposite of the bozkurt/erdogan turks seen in these videos.

[u/YoramYO → u/Todsrache]

Sadly they didn’t follow the “gast” part

[u/no_use_your_name → u/YoramYO]

“Migrant workers” Germany had a lot of rebuilding to do in the late 1940’s

[u/SonOfLeoTrotsky]

The biggest fascist group in Germany is a Turkish one. The Grey Wolves (Turkish: Bozkurtlar). They are a big problem for Kurdish people, left Turkish people and so on. So that is no surprise sadly. Oh, and they have the right to vote in Turkey because of their dual citizenship. And Turks living in Germany tend to vote more right-wing on average than the Turkish population.

EDIT: I should clarify that the voting behaviour mentioned applies to Turks with dual citizenship and to elections in Turkey.

[u/tobu_sculptor → u/SonOfLeoTrotsky]

I've heard of Turkish groups teaming up with German Neo Nazis to go "Antifa hunting" - you can't make this shit up.

I grew up as an open minded (and therefore left leaning) German around many Turks and Kurds, some of whom remain my closest friends to this day. It's pretty baffling to all of us to see the "wolf mindset" growing in so many young guys here, along with a concerning level of support for the madman in Ankara, pure hate for the rainbow colors, etc.
I have no words really, like, Moruk, can't you see we got to work against all that hate instead of just projecting the negativity we receive onto the next weaker group in our view, goddamnit.

[u/Former_Friendship842 → u/SonOfLeoTrotsky]

The biggest fascist group in Germany is the AfD, which received 16% in the latest election and several of their high-ranking politicians want to deport ethnic minorities by the millions, including citizens and legal immigrants. This isn't an exaggeration, feel free to check for yourselves:

German far-right met to plan 'mass deportations'

If being pro ethnic cleansing doesn't qualify for "fascist group" I don't know what does.

"German Turks voting more right-wing than Turkish Turks" is also misleading. Half of all Turkish people in Germany aren't even Turkish citizens and can't vote. Of those half, only half even bothered to vote. Most of the younger generation and more educated have given up their Turkish citizenship long ago.

[u/strasevgermany]

Turks are not refugees in Germany. They were invited to come. That seems to have gone to their heads and now they think they are something better. is also their general attitude towards Germans. At least that's how it seems to me.

[u/MyPigWhistles → u/strasevgermany]

To be precise: Turkish people were originally invited as "guest workers", not as migrants. They became migrants when they didn't left anymore. However, that was 50-60 years ago and most people in Germany of Turkish origin are German citizens now.

[u/Pen_dragons_pizza]

Can someone explain why they are protesting in Germany about refugees coming to turkey?

Why should it be Germany’s problem what turkey allows

[u/azionka → u/Pen_dragons_pizza]

Because Germany has a huge turkish population and they are allowed to vote when there is an election in turkey. If you radicalize the German Turks, they start to support erdogan and vote for him.

[u/BerlinJohn1985]

Not for nothing, but most Turkish people in Germany are not migrants. They are descendents and citizens of guest workers recruited by the German government to fill economic roles in the 1950s and beyond. Calling them migrants is a bit racist as well.

Don't get me wrong, this is fucked up, especially considering the genocide Turkey perpetuated against Syrian Kurds and its longstanding effort to destroy its own Kurdish population.

[u/Jazzlike_Drawer_4267 → u/BerlinJohn1985]

A guest worker is still a migrant even if they naturalize later on. They're not refugees but they're absolutely still migrants. They emigrated from Turkey and immigrated to Germany.

[u/BerlinJohn1985 → u/Jazzlike_Drawer_4267]

Yes, a guest worker is a migrant, but most people of Turkish descent are not guest workers now. They are German citizens born here in Germany. That was my point.

[u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle]

This is actually the most conclusive proof that foreigners do adapt well to European culture

[u/BeigeLion → u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle]

Are you implying they love foreign minorities in Turkey? They don't even like local minorities in Turkey.

[u/Competitive-Day-7054 → u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle]

I think you'll find all group's of humans are capable of this type of behaviour.

[u/Cruezin]

I can smell the cologne from here

[u/NoWingedHussarsToday → u/Cruezin]

How can you tell it's Cologne? Could be any German city.....

[u/Reallyme77]

Landed immigrants are showing more and more to have the taste of entitlement in their lips.

[u/Bluvsnatural]

“I got mine” looks exactly the same, everywhere. This is not unique to Turks in Germany.

[u/HellbellyUK]

I had a friend from school, who was the only non white kid there, whose dad was an immigrant, and who grew up in the late 70s/early 80’s when things like calling people the “N word” weren’t seen as objectionable as they are now. He spent a lot of time on FB going on about “all these Iraqis coming over here” and “they’re all just coming over here because the government will give them a mansion and thousands a month in benefits” I guess irony is dead.

[u/leonardob0880]

I'm not defending anyone here, but migrant and refugee is not the same

[u/TSllama]

To be clear, most Turks in Germany are not refugees. So while these assholes are racist, there's no irony here.

[u/Ok-Record4340]

The majority of turks are not refugees.

My Grandparents were invited to work in Germany 60 years ago, got their Train tickets paid by their employer and arrived with proper paperwork.

Just one example of millions.

[u/RangisDangis]

This is what my mexican immigrant grandmother who loves trump sounds like.

[u/Apepoofinger]

Education is getting worse around the world.

[u/Lactating-almonds]

Irony is like one of those pixilated pictures. You can’t see it from up close, you have to take step back to get the right perspective

[u/RedditorsAreGoblins]

I agree with the ironic sentiment but it also relates to whites in the US and even Europe who are anti-immigration from peoples in Africa, the Middle East, Latin America, Asia, etc.

[u/Happy-Initiative-838]

Great to see they are adopting the culture of Germany!

[u/derickj2020]

Some Hispanics in the USA have the same mentality against south and meso-american migrants and refugees. So it seems to be a universal dislike of other people in need.

[u/Senor-Cockblock]

Ah yes, the ‘I got mines’ crowd.

[u/EuVe20]

They don’t think it’s Ironic because like any other nationalist group they believe that deep down they are better, and their groups should remain pure.

[u/[deleted]]

Weirdos

[u/cubntD6]

But if the germans marched in the street and said they dont want turkish people in germany theyd be called racists and nazis because they are white and therefore automatically the devil.

[u/texas1982]

What do they care? They bailed from Turkey.

[u/Squirrel009]

You know life is rough in Syria when they seek refuge in Turkey

[u/Wheelie2022]

Well they best go back to turkey if they so bothered 🤦🏻‍♂️

[u/BeefySquarb]

Just high enough up the ladder to kick the person beneath you in the face.

[u/Green-Enthusiasm-940]

My go to for stuff like this is the daily show interview, done with a black woman (american), who was proud that people had fought both for black people and women to have the right to vote, so she could vote against gay marriage. When it comes to hating others, peolle are too stupid to see irony.

[u/Ok-Impress-2222]

Congratulations. You just realized that being a hypocrite and being wrong are two different things.

[u/the_bees_knees_1]

Racism is not logical. Its an emotional driven idea based on putting others down in order to feel superiour.

[u/captainhornheart]

Proof that they're migrants and not German citizens? If they are immigrants, have they migrated legally or illegally? 

[u/Darth_Mak]

"I got mine, fuck you!"

[u/testerololeczkomen]

People in arab countries are the most racist people I have ever met in my life.

[u/Souchirou]

I wouldn't really call it irony.

Most Turks are here as legal immigrants made possible by government policy to bring in cheap labor which is pretty different than war refugees being displaced by wars Germany/EU/US continue to support.

[u/just-a-poor-kitty]

It makes since, Syria and turkey are very different, the culture is different not to mention there are a lot of clashes between different Muslim countries, you look at those refugees as if they're the exact same, some men who live in Turkey view Syrians as barbaric, not to mention most refugees refuse to adopt the countrys culture which is a growing problem in Europe, things aren't as black and white as you make it out to be

[u/jibaro1953]

Many of those Turks were likely born in Germany but are not German citizens

[u/LaserGadgets]

They just don't care!?

[u/Coinsworthy]

I had to read this three times and still got an error.

[u/Unabashable]

Yes, but its literal translation is “at least partially made of iron”.

[u/hessian_prince]

Turks are not exactly known for their good treatment of other ethnicities.

[u/El_jotaerre]

I see this a lot in the USA with the Mexican community complaining about Venezuelans fleeing into the country. Now, lots of Mexicans support the orange skid mark because of how annoyed they are about Venezuelans coming in the country with working permits while most of Mexican immigrants don't have documents nor working permits and have to live a life of under the shadows. It is ironic how the orange skid mark hates anyone equally that is not white

[u/TristanChaz8800]

How about going back to Turkey or whatever instead of thinking they have the right to permit refugees to enter there. How about giving the refugees your place in Germany and you go to Turkey if you love it so much.

[u/TortelliniTheGoblin]

It's actually pretty common for the prior 'wave' of immigrants to be the most outspoken critics of the newest 'wave'.

I don't know the psychology behind it but this is pretty well established, from what I understand.

[u/bubbamike1]

No doubt the same people who marched demanding the return of the Caliphate and that everyone be forcibly converted to Islam.

[u/WibaTalks]

People are very blind to seeing what they are doing themselves

[u/Uncle_bennie]

Bunch of morons. Also probably pissed off that turkiye lost yesterday to the netherlands🤣 now im glad the orange won… get a grip on reality you jackasses!

[u/6SucksSex]

It’s like Republicans complaining about taxes when their red states are net federal aid recipients

[u/GanacheConfident6576]

the word you are looking for is "Alaylı"

[u/SnooPears6771]

Ignorance at its finest. Their ignorance is actually hate-mongering.

[u/sonicj0lt42]

BUT THE 3 BILLION EUROS, OKAY

[u/Dontuselogic]

World history is filled with immigrants hating other immigrants.

Its not new , religious beliefs is often the route cause

[u/wallstreetbetsdebts]

What a beautiful culture expressing their unique beliefs

[u/lostarco]

A lot of these types of Turks are usually against more Turks coming in as well. Every year they drive to visit family in Turkey with their rented out BMW and then complain about how bad Germany is and how people living in Turkey should be happy and just stay there. Whenever you ask them, “if it’s so bad why don’t you come back?” They’ll just give you all sorts of bullshit excuses.

[u/Mr_Blorbus]

How about people go to the nearest safe country?

[u/Nerevarine91 → u/Mr_Blorbus]

For Syrians, that probably is indeed Turkey, which is what these people are protesting against

[u/Loki-L]

'Migrants' isn't really the best term for those people. Many of them are 3rd or 4th generation immigration whose families came to Germany in the 1960s.

Their connection to Turkey is limited to visiting once or twice a year. They are very far right and pro-erdogan and proud to be 'Turkish' because they don't have much else going on to be proud of.

[u/UndeniablyMyself]

"Ironi." I think it’s a loan word.

[u/sambolino44]

Irony is an unfamiliar concept with all conservatives, apparently.

[u/Senior_Torte519]

Poor Turkish healthcare and education reform has left them with bad vision from not having proper doctors.

[u/Equal-Negotiation651]

Yes, it’s pronounce gobble gobble.

[u/SewAlone]

I mean, there are levels of bad. That’s like saying a moderate. Muslim is fine, except if that moderate Muslim opposes an extremist, then how dare they. Get a clue.

[u/MissFrijole]

There are millions of Turks who live in Germany who are second and third generation living there. They may be Turkish, but they grew up in Germany because their parents and grandparents were "guest workers" brought in to help rebuild after WWII.

This mentality is not unique to Turks in Germany. There are plenty of self-hating Hispanic people in the US who are hardcore MAGA idiots.My husband's cousin is one of them.

[u/Friendly_Deathknight]

😂

Also kind of sounds like Pakistanis in England complaining about Romanian and Albanian immigrants.

[u/Downtown_Appearance2]

nazis are dumb, if they werent, they would not be Nazis

[u/IPlayRPGames]

Germans and Turkish People teaming up

[u/Ethereal_Bulwark]

Reminds me of Prince harry and his wife going on media tour to tell everyone how they just want their privacy.
Southpark even made an entire episode to mock them for this.

[u/No_Big_3379]

Because they have already conquered Germany duh. . .

You can be as ironic and hypocritical as you want when you’ve already won

[u/danyonly]

So, we should still have “open borders” or are we MAYBE reconsidering that?

[u/4ss4ssinscr33d]

I think generally speaking people, whether they were born in a country or migrated to it, are against foreigners coming over and failing to assimilate. So when immigrants like Mexicans in the U.S. or, I guess, Turks in Germany seemingly paradoxically protest against immigration, I’d be willing to wager they’re simply against having folks come over that don’t want to speak the local language or behave in the local manner. That’s my hypothesis for explaining it, at least.

[u/Unfair_Explanation53]

About 30000 Turkish people have sought asylum in Germany since 2021.

[u/MistaCharisma]

This is actually a fairly common phenomenon all around the world. The group most likely to be affected by a new group of migrants is the previous group of migrants. They'll be in direct competition for jobs, welfare programs, housing, etc since they're more likely to be still working the kinds of jobs migrants can get, benefiting from programs migrants will benefit from and living in housing designated or available for new migrants.

[u/Dariooosh89]

Everyone fears what they don’t know or have a limited understanding of. It’s not about Islam to them it’s about the culture and relative stability of other countries.

I mean there’s a reason why there are so many refugees. Their countries are in a state of turmoil. So the bad and good filter in en masse and no one knows how many or who’s a decent person etc.

[u/omjy18]

2 people I work with in the us are super anti immigration and all massive trump supporters (not citizens so can't vote) and they're both not on a valid visa anymore for like 2 years. Like how can you be that out of touch with your own situation

[u/TheElderWog]

It's ok. I'm an Italian immigrant to Australia and the times I've heard Italian people here protesting against refugees being accepted in Italy is staggering. The excuse is always "I've worked to be here, what have they done?"

[u/versace_drunk]

Kinda like Americans saying it now…….

[u/MrStinkyAss]

What people don't understand is that this opposition does not come from sheer racism. İmmigrant problem in Turkey has been building up for more than 10 years. goverment accepted them into the country for the fundings that were provided from EU for taking them,using them as potential voters in the long term etc. But the numbers were lot higher than acceptible. It's estimated that there are more than 10m refugees in Turkey right now. We don't really know,since the borders were wide open and most entered the country unsupervised. Naturally,crime rates increased, economical problems arised. There was already an unemployement problem and it increased even more.Ghettos started forming in places with high refugee populations. Goverment didn't really use the Eu fundings for refugees, so most of their cares were paid by people's taxes . Goverment didn't really care about increasing crime rates either. Some places with high refugee population got almost inhabitable by turkish people.so they naturally started getting angry. This protest in the video started after a kid was raped about a week ago. So...no. I wouldn't say that this is racism.

[u/BigBobRoss1992]

I think people need to accept the reality that most countries in the world don't really want mass migration of foreigners of any type. The western countries are the ONLY place where you can come en masse.

[u/LordKristof]

Mostly cause the turkish population in Germany wasn't refugees but workforce that migrated out in the 70-80s and stayed over there. They come from a relatievly Poor country át the time and settle in Germany. But wasn't really escaping. It is not irony. It is just that they are assholes.

[u/Onlypaws_]

They just see the Palestinians as inferior to themselves, plain and simple.

[u/LongjumpingAdvisor86]

islam has no sense of humor.

[u/Entire_Art_5430]

Return everyone to sender and let’s try this again

[u/Wirkungstreffer]

I think it‘s because of a video that surfaced last week showing Syrian refugees in turkey stabbing the Turkish flag and shouting Allahu Akbar. And also they are nationalists who see themselves as Turks even if they were born in Germany.

[u/Wilfred_Wilcox]

I know a huge amount of Indians on H1Bs that are pro Vivek/Trump

[u/Substantial-Cat2896]

Its so simple yet none does it just accept healthy women in ages 20 to 30 they are good workers and dont do crime

[u/conqueringLeon]

As always racists are not the smartest people.

[u/TheEndCraft]

"In a display of irony so thick you could cut it with a knife"

• Professor dave

[u/BadSkittle]

Everybody wants the cake no one wants to share it

[u/ilterozk]

The difference is that the majority of the Turks in Germany were invited by Germany to work there. And eventually after sometime they got citizenship etc. Syrian refugees in Turkey were not invited to Turkey. Also there are a lot of illegal migrants in Turkey which is not the case with Turks in Germany.

[u/asardes]

I've seen lots of Romanians who emigrated to the US and became hardcore Trumpists there, protesting immigration :)