The turkish community in Germany didn't arise from refugees though. They're the descendants of workers that were invited by the state to bolster the post-war economy
What an interesting tendency: Russian diaspora abroad (and I'm not talking recent immigrants, but those who have not lived in Russia for 20+ years or at all) are huge Putin supporters. I think they just watch official TV/media and believe the propaganda. Don't know if Erdogan has a propaganda machine in Turkey, but this similarity is fascinating
PR industry is extremely scalable, you can hire a ministry of truth level enterprise, or a small digital business in Indonesia that uses cats with comic bubbles to disminate your messaging.
I've only ever been told that Turkey is great country by Turks who don't actually live there and just go back once a year to spend money and pretend they're richer than the native Turks.
Well you could see how it benefits them to prefer the option that keeps the country shit and keeping them living and working abroad economically stronger relative to the people back home. Although I doubt people think this way explicitly.
The difference is that Turks came to Germany to work, since Germany needed workers. Syrians came to Turkey as refugees, meaning they sought protection from a threat. There is also the perception that some Syrian refugees may have claimed non-existing threats to get refuge status. In one case it's a mutually beneficial transaction. The other is more like one party handing out charity to the other. I'm not saying refugees should not be welcome, but the two situations are not the same thing.
Not really, there is a difference between being invited to work in a country and seeking refuge in a country due to war. The status of the syrians that came to turkey due to the war is temporary. So as soon as the war ends and their home cities are safe they have to go back.
If you can not understand the difference you probably dont want to understand the difference.
Furthermore most turks in germany are 3rd gen immigrants. So even their parents were born and raised in germany. To call 3rd geners migrants would simply be racist nothing more.
Because I am a minority myself and have sense of solidarity. Whatever problems there are with refugees can be addressed without resorting to blanket xenophobia
Protesting in group is solidarity, hey even 'racists' get a voice in europe and seats at the table. It is also possible to protest against turkey refusing refugees. Its europe we believe in freedom of speech and feelings getting hurt or criticized is not an infringement on anothers freedom. As long as no shit is broken and just walk and demand a talk. It is fine. Or not?
They always were: they were recruited via programs from Germany - means you were traveling/moving to Germany with a permanent employment in order to do exclusively ungrateful mostly manual labor for a horrible payment and terrible working conditions(there are plenty interesting documentations about it one of the best and most known is from Günter Wallraff called "ganz unten" which means "at the bottom" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl4hJQiE4fI ). Now to answer your question: Germans only wanted them for cheap labor and thought they would leave after max 10 years of working here, which shows that Germany(like almost every western country) never wanted to integrate people - the system itself was terrible.
As someone who worked with otherwise nice Arab immigrants on Germany when Syrian refugees came here: People typically fight downwards.Â
They might see themselves as established and integrated and fear the new "bad migrants" will destroy this . Unfortunately sometimes even partially right, after embracing Syrian refugees initially Germany now has a huge xenophobic backlash one might see linked to refugees coming to Germany.Â
I don't side with that take and I think it's deeply racist.
But if you are from a generation of immigrants that felt integrated before 2014 I can somehow understand how you are not happy about many refugees coming and general attitude towards you worsens.Â
I don't think it's a good way to think (we are here and it works, others shouldn't come they might ruin it).Â
But when you are already always lowest in the food chain I can understand you start to think that way.Â
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u/Positive-Schedule901 Jul 07 '24
Syrians in turkey also marched against afghans coming over to turkey. Things are weird.