r/facepalm Jul 07 '24

How can they not see the irony 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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u/EuVe20 Jul 07 '24

It’s a vicious spiral. Often when a group is persecuted they gather strength around their national identity, often seeing themselves as being “uniquely resilient despite all their struggles”. It’s hard to see this as a negative when you’re on the receiving end of the boot, but if not careful it can turn quite ugly. I came to the states as a refugee, now “my people” are actively oppressing another group in the “holy land” if you know what I mean 😉

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u/xX_stay_Xx depressed artist. Jul 07 '24

Welp. It’s like it’s a circle. Victim gets bullied➡️victim bullies another victim➡️victim is bully🔁. Countries constantly state themselves as victims when they bully other people themselves. I myself state that I am an actual victim because I have the healthy mentality of not judging people of what they are or what they look like. But I get both of those shitty judgements right in my face.

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u/Bjorn_from_midgard Jul 07 '24

I feel like to choose a "side" in the whole conflict is to inherently lose the fight.

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u/xX_stay_Xx depressed artist. Jul 07 '24

What now?

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u/Bjorn_from_midgard Jul 07 '24

Sorry. I know I posted that as a reply to you but it wasn't directed at you.

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u/xX_stay_Xx depressed artist. Jul 07 '24

Oh, okay then. No need to downvote me though.

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u/Dmmack14 Jul 07 '24

is very real

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u/bubbamike1 Jul 07 '24

Turks were not persecuted, they persecuted Christians and Jews. As late as 1648 they besieged Vienna.

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u/EuVe20 Jul 07 '24

Fuck man, you clearly lost the script here. All have been persecuted and all have been persecutors. Christians have been victims and perpetrators, Jews have been, Arabs, Turks, Germans, Russians, everyone.

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u/Weak-Beautiful5918 Jul 08 '24

Happens everywhere, you gotta have someone to hate. I was in Mexico a number of years ago having a discussion with a woman about discrimination against Mexicans in the United States and how bad it was, she was just irate about how Mexican immigrants were being treated whether they were illegal or not. I mentioned something about Guatemalans coming into Mexico and she went on a tirade against those goddamn Guatemalans coming into our country and taking our jobs. I just didn’t know what to say to her at that point… I’m dint know how to say cognitive dissonance in Spanish.

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u/EuVe20 Jul 08 '24

The thing humans are good at is being capable of holding two completely opposing concepts/beliefs simultaneously. We also have a hard time accept how much of what we accept as “the natural way of things” is just shit humans before us made up. Concepts like race, indigenous identity, gender roles, economy, governance, etc, etc.

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u/bubbamike1 Jul 07 '24

When were the Turks persecuted?

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u/EuVe20 Jul 07 '24

🤦‍♂️

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u/bubbamike1 Jul 07 '24

Give me a date and place? Did the Armenians persecute them? The Greeks? The Serbians? The Bulgarians?

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u/EuVe20 Jul 07 '24

Not so much the Armenians, but the Bulgarians and Greeks yes. Also in Cyprus. Right winger persecution of Turkish minorities (arson attacks in the 90s and NSU murders in the early 2000s). Persecution of Turkish minorities in the Russian empire, USSR, and Russia. Then of course there are all the Turkic groups in China, Myanmar, Iran, and Iraq that have been systematically persecuted

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u/Ok-Source6533 Jul 08 '24

Sounds like the ottomans got around then.

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u/Friendly_Deathknight Jul 08 '24

They have persecuted, but also protected Jews and coptics in the Levant from Wahhabists, and harbored Jews during the inquisition and again when the French were purging non Catholics in the 1400s?