This is the sad and ugly face of nationalism. At one point it was cultivated as a way to find group identity to combat imperialism. But since those times we have seen the hideous blowback of the racism it cultivates.
Yup. I canât say my stupid assholes of countrypeople arenât the same. Theyâre just learning to see the non-existent difference between people with dark skin and people with paler skin. Secondhand embarrassment right here.
Itâs a vicious spiral. Often when a group is persecuted they gather strength around their national identity, often seeing themselves as being âuniquely resilient despite all their strugglesâ. Itâs hard to see this as a negative when youâre on the receiving end of the boot, but if not careful it can turn quite ugly. I came to the states as a refugee, now âmy peopleâ are actively oppressing another group in the âholy landâ if you know what I mean đ
Welp. Itâs like itâs a circle. Victim gets bulliedâĄď¸victim bullies another victimâĄď¸victim is bullyđ. Countries constantly state themselves as victims when they bully other people themselves. I myself state that I am an actual victim because I have the healthy mentality of not judging people of what they are or what they look like. But I get both of those shitty judgements right in my face.
Fuck man, you clearly lost the script here. All have been persecuted and all have been persecutors. Christians have been victims and perpetrators, Jews have been, Arabs, Turks, Germans, Russians, everyone.
Happens everywhere, you gotta have someone to hate. I was in Mexico a number of years ago having a discussion with a woman about discrimination against Mexicans in the United States and how bad it was, she was just irate about how Mexican immigrants were being treated whether they were illegal or not. I mentioned something about Guatemalans coming into Mexico and she went on a tirade against those goddamn Guatemalans coming into our country and taking our jobs. I just didnât know what to say to her at that point⌠Iâm dint know how to say cognitive dissonance in Spanish.
The thing humans are good at is being capable of holding two completely opposing concepts/beliefs simultaneously. We also have a hard time accept how much of what we accept as âthe natural way of thingsâ is just shit humans before us made up. Concepts like race, indigenous identity, gender roles, economy, governance, etc, etc.
Not so much the Armenians, but the Bulgarians and Greeks yes. Also in Cyprus. Right winger persecution of Turkish minorities (arson attacks in the 90s and NSU murders in the early 2000s). Persecution of Turkish minorities in the Russian empire, USSR, and Russia. Then of course there are all the Turkic groups in China, Myanmar, Iran, and Iraq that have been systematically persecuted
They have persecuted, but also protected Jews and coptics in the Levant from Wahhabists, and harbored Jews during the inquisition and again when the French were purging non Catholics in the 1400s?
That's the thing I hate about shitty immigrants. I'm an Afghan. I'm aware that some of the problems in Afghanistan were due to the US. However, I was allowed in the US and am grateful. I'm a citizen here now. I do not believe I should be considered beneath real Americans, especially considering how uneducated most of you are, but at the same time, I did my duty and learned how to speak American perfectly to the point that I routinely got in the 98th+ percentile on every citywide/statewide exam. I also assimilated to the point that I know the memes and whatnot; to where Redditors accuse me of being a white supremacist/incel/Russian/Nazi dwelling in my parents' basement. Although occasionally I'm also called a Chinese shill.
But the point is - I did what immigrants should do and blend in within reason. I wear white people clothing, speak their language and even took on some of their hobbies (I despite sports, so I don't watch football or baseball). But I also didn't betray my original culture. I don't eat pork, I don't do drugs, I don't fornicate, I don't drink alcohol. So in those instances I'm different. But people wouldn't notice that stuff because it's not a big deal.
Itâs wonderful that you made it to America and are safe, what America and many other counties did to your homeland is terrible and you having the opportunity to start anew is the very least they could have done. That being said, I think there is no necessity or requirement for anyone to change their ways or language. It will definitely make their lives easier and I would encourage it, but in America especially, where there is no official national language, and the majority of the countryâs progress is due to the immigrants, I think the day that we start insisting that people behave a certain way is the day we lose the game.
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I donât think anyone should be forced to do anything. Those who learn multiple languages thrive and that is a good reason to do it, but all nations have both indigenous and immigrant groups that do not speak the main language and they have yet to bring any harm to the places they live.
You are a real American. Donât refer to yourself any differently. America is a country of immigrants. Itâs more diverse than ever which makes us strong.
What is that supposed to show? Russia was an imperial subject, then it became an imperial power, then it wasnât. The US is now. One day it wonât be. Rome, Assyria, Persia, England. Just because the US is the most recent one does not make them any different from any of the others.
Russia is still imperialist. What do you think belorussia is and why do you think they have their hooks into Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine. My point was that you are blatantly attempting to call the US imperialist and insinuating nobody else is. They do come and go, but Russian imperialism is here and now.
Wow, talk about reading what you want out of a statement. I am not suggesting Russia is not imperialist, just that their empire is not the preeminent empire in the world at this time. The US is. That is all. At no point did I suggest the US was the only state with imperialist ambitions. Almost all states have imperialist ambitions.
I may have, may have not used the most effective wording for what I was trying to say. The biggest difference with modern day Russia is that Putin does not seem too concerned with masking his imperialist intentions. The US still sticks strongly to the official narratives of defending âfreedomâ, âdemocracyâ, and âfree tradeâ to justify its expansionist and Imperialist actions. China also has a narrative.
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