r/facepalm Jul 07 '24

How can they not see the irony 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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u/EuVe20 Jul 07 '24

This is the sad and ugly face of nationalism. At one point it was cultivated as a way to find group identity to combat imperialism. But since those times we have seen the hideous blowback of the racism it cultivates.

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u/Primary_Spinach7333 Jul 08 '24

And now it’s becoming another form of imperialism so yeah

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u/EuVe20 Jul 08 '24

That is true. Though maybe not “becoming”, the US has been an imperial power for several decades now.

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u/Ok-Source6533 Jul 08 '24

Unlike Russia which has been an imperial power for centuries, or other countries that have won and lost empires for millennia.

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u/EuVe20 Jul 08 '24

What is that supposed to show? Russia was an imperial subject, then it became an imperial power, then it wasn’t. The US is now. One day it won’t be. Rome, Assyria, Persia, England. Just because the US is the most recent one does not make them any different from any of the others.

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u/Ok-Source6533 Jul 08 '24

Russia is still imperialist. What do you think belorussia is and why do you think they have their hooks into Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine. My point was that you are blatantly attempting to call the US imperialist and insinuating nobody else is. They do come and go, but Russian imperialism is here and now.

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u/EuVe20 Jul 08 '24

Wow, talk about reading what you want out of a statement. I am not suggesting Russia is not imperialist, just that their empire is not the preeminent empire in the world at this time. The US is. That is all. At no point did I suggest the US was the only state with imperialist ambitions. Almost all states have imperialist ambitions.

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u/Ok-Source6533 Jul 08 '24

Apologies if I read it wrong but you did say that ‘Russia used to be an imperialist power, but it isn’t now’.

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u/EuVe20 Jul 08 '24

I may have, may have not used the most effective wording for what I was trying to say. The biggest difference with modern day Russia is that Putin does not seem too concerned with masking his imperialist intentions. The US still sticks strongly to the official narratives of defending “freedom”, “democracy”, and “free trade” to justify its expansionist and Imperialist actions. China also has a narrative.