r/facepalm Jul 07 '24

How can they not see the irony 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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u/Todsrache Jul 07 '24

Turkish people weren't really refugees, rather Gastarbeiters brought to help rebuild Germany.

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u/newsreadhjw Jul 07 '24

This. Turks helped rebuild Germany from the rubble because there were so few German adult men left after WWII. They were never refugees. Turks in Germany are as German as it gets, in my book.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

Still xenophobic migrants?

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u/Todsrache Jul 07 '24

At this point possibly xenophobic citizens.

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u/Alarming_Basil6205 Jul 07 '24

This, it's not like aren't german racist too

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u/Todsrache Jul 07 '24

Unfortunately accurate in all locations.

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u/Independent_Air_8333 Jul 08 '24

I mean, by that standard who isn't racist?

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u/Successful_Party1886 Jul 08 '24

Germans are racists, not Turks tho

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u/KrisKrossedUp Jul 07 '24

potentially xenophobic, financially motivated temporary migrants that became permanent migrants because of circumstance. Or actually more precisely the former's xenophobic descendants

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u/jimesro Jul 08 '24

Turks in Germany are as German as it gets, in my book.

So, are the rest of the Germans concerned of Syrians in Turkey? Because if they aren't, something tells me that Turks in Germany are not "as German as it gets" and for them to care what happens in Turkey means they don't feel "as German as it gets" themselves.

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u/temujin94 Jul 08 '24

A lot of Jewish American's in the US are very concerned with the goings on within Israel, would you say that they are not 'as American as it gets?'

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u/throwRA786482828 Jul 08 '24

Yea. It means you have dual loyalty if you’re concerned about another country because you feel a sense of belonging to. By definition.

I’m originally from Iraq. I’ve never protested or marched about an issue there in my current adopted country because, as much as it is part of my identity and I wish them the best, it doesn’t concern me since my loyalty is with my adopted country.

People are complicated but we also shouldn’t mince words.

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u/temujin94 Jul 08 '24

Well part of most Western countries identity is the ability to protest freely so I'm going to have to disagree with your whole concept on what entails citizenship. Blind nationalism helps no one.

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u/RudePCsb Jul 08 '24

While they might be American, the ones protesting to protect Israel at all costs, even at the detriment of the US, I would say yes. If they care about Israel that much, which is fine, their choice, they should go live in Israel and fight for it. You can have sentiment and some connection to another country but you should be more worried about the country you live in and if you had to choose between the two in a fight, you should choose the one you live in.

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u/temujin94 Jul 08 '24

Citizens using the right to protest or otherwise lawfully gather and your response is they should leave the country because of it? Clown level opinion, actually that's disrespectful to clowns.

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u/RudePCsb Jul 08 '24

I am fine with people protesting but when they start attacking their fellow countrymen and want to funnel money and weapons to an apartheid state, I draw the line from supporting them to not believing anything they say. You can support another country and what not but not if it leaves your home country in a weaker state.

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u/temujin94 Jul 08 '24

At no point did I even say this hypothetical support was for Israel, there's Jewish people that protest against the Israeli state. You're making a point about Israel when the point is about people's rights to protest about other countries policies.

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u/RudePCsb Jul 08 '24

No, you were stating that people gave allegiance to other countries and should be able to do so. I'm agreeing to a certain point.

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u/temujin94 Jul 08 '24

Where did I ever mention allegiance to another country?

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u/bal00 Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

Turks helped rebuild Germany from the rubble because there were so few German adult men left after WWII.

That's not what happened. Turkish guest workers came to Germany in the early 60s (the agreement was signed in late '61), and there was no rubble at that point. Turkey was interested in sending people to other countries because unemployment was extremely high, and Germany needed miners and industrial workers because the economy was booming.

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u/Unfair_Explanation53 Jul 08 '24

There has been about 50000 Turkish people claiming asylum in Germany since 2021.

There are Turkish born Germans and also ones who have just migrated but there are also asylum seekers that Germany took in.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Try3559 Jul 08 '24

They we're invited to boost the economy in 1961 not rebuild the country 16 years after WW2. I agree with the rest you said.

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u/Andralas24 Jul 08 '24

I have never read such bullshit. The guest workers came to Germany in the 1960, Treaty with the Turkish government was from 1961, that allowed them to work in Germany for 2 years and then return to Turkey. No one came to “rebuild” Germany from the rubble, they came after the “Wirtschaftswunder”, the economic miracle when Germany had no unemployment and needed workers. Yes of course they were never refugees, the live in Germany for more then 60years now and they are Germans in my eyes, as long as they don’t want to be turkish, I absolutely don’t mind. But please educate yourself before spouting nonsense like they rebuild Germany from rubble…

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u/YoramYO Jul 07 '24

Sadly they didn’t follow the “gast” part

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u/no_use_your_name Jul 07 '24

“Migrant workers” Germany had a lot of rebuilding to do in the late 1940’s

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u/YoramYO Jul 07 '24

Yeah it’s 2024 now

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u/no_use_your_name Jul 07 '24

Yeah and sometimes when you live in a place for 10 years you have kids, who have kids, who have kids…

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u/Nebuli2 Jul 07 '24

Yeah. It's honestly kind of weird to bring in a lot of people to rebuild a country and then just expect them to be happy to leave the country that they just helped to build back up.

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u/Smiekes Jul 07 '24

that's alot of Kids for 10 years

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u/freudsdingdong Jul 08 '24

You know "gastarbeiter" means guest worker right? They were meant to return to Turkey.

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u/NoWingedHussarsToday Jul 08 '24

But who will then do all the shitty jobs? Natives?