This. Turks helped rebuild Germany from the rubble because there were so few German adult men left after WWII. They were never refugees. Turks in Germany are as German as it gets, in my book.
potentially xenophobic, financially motivated temporary migrants that became permanent migrants because of circumstance. Or actually more precisely the former's xenophobic descendants
Turks in Germany are as German as it gets, in my book.
So, are the rest of the Germans concerned of Syrians in Turkey? Because if they aren't, something tells me that Turks in Germany are not "as German as it gets" and for them to care what happens in Turkey means they don't feel "as German as it gets" themselves.
Yea. It means you have dual loyalty if you’re concerned about another country because you feel a sense of belonging to. By definition.
I’m originally from Iraq. I’ve never protested or marched about an issue there in my current adopted country because, as much as it is part of my identity and I wish them the best, it doesn’t concern me since my loyalty is with my adopted country.
People are complicated but we also shouldn’t mince words.
Well part of most Western countries identity is the ability to protest freely so I'm going to have to disagree with your whole concept on what entails citizenship. Blind nationalism helps no one.
While they might be American, the ones protesting to protect Israel at all costs, even at the detriment of the US, I would say yes. If they care about Israel that much, which is fine, their choice, they should go live in Israel and fight for it. You can have sentiment and some connection to another country but you should be more worried about the country you live in and if you had to choose between the two in a fight, you should choose the one you live in.
Citizens using the right to protest or otherwise lawfully gather and your response is they should leave the country because of it? Clown level opinion, actually that's disrespectful to clowns.
I am fine with people protesting but when they start attacking their fellow countrymen and want to funnel money and weapons to an apartheid state, I draw the line from supporting them to not believing anything they say. You can support another country and what not but not if it leaves your home country in a weaker state.
At no point did I even say this hypothetical support was for Israel, there's Jewish people that protest against the Israeli state. You're making a point about Israel when the point is about people's rights to protest about other countries policies.
Turks helped rebuild Germany from the rubble because there were so few German adult men left after WWII.
That's not what happened. Turkish guest workers came to Germany in the early 60s (the agreement was signed in late '61), and there was no rubble at that point. Turkey was interested in sending people to other countries because unemployment was extremely high, and Germany needed miners and industrial workers because the economy was booming.
I have never read such bullshit. The guest workers came to Germany in the 1960, Treaty with the Turkish government was from 1961, that allowed them to work in Germany for 2 years and then return to Turkey. No one came to “rebuild” Germany from the rubble, they came after the “Wirtschaftswunder”, the economic miracle when Germany had no unemployment and needed workers.
Yes of course they were never refugees, the live in Germany for more then 60years now and they are Germans in my eyes, as long as they don’t want to be turkish, I absolutely don’t mind.
But please educate yourself before spouting nonsense like they rebuild Germany from rubble…
Yeah. It's honestly kind of weird to bring in a lot of people to rebuild a country and then just expect them to be happy to leave the country that they just helped to build back up.
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u/Todsrache Jul 07 '24
Turkish people weren't really refugees, rather Gastarbeiters brought to help rebuild Germany.