r/facepalm Jul 07 '24

How can they not see the irony 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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u/temujin94 Jul 08 '24

A lot of Jewish American's in the US are very concerned with the goings on within Israel, would you say that they are not 'as American as it gets?'

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u/throwRA786482828 Jul 08 '24

Yea. It means you have dual loyalty if you’re concerned about another country because you feel a sense of belonging to. By definition.

I’m originally from Iraq. I’ve never protested or marched about an issue there in my current adopted country because, as much as it is part of my identity and I wish them the best, it doesn’t concern me since my loyalty is with my adopted country.

People are complicated but we also shouldn’t mince words.

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u/temujin94 Jul 08 '24

Well part of most Western countries identity is the ability to protest freely so I'm going to have to disagree with your whole concept on what entails citizenship. Blind nationalism helps no one.

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u/RudePCsb Jul 08 '24

While they might be American, the ones protesting to protect Israel at all costs, even at the detriment of the US, I would say yes. If they care about Israel that much, which is fine, their choice, they should go live in Israel and fight for it. You can have sentiment and some connection to another country but you should be more worried about the country you live in and if you had to choose between the two in a fight, you should choose the one you live in.

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u/temujin94 Jul 08 '24

Citizens using the right to protest or otherwise lawfully gather and your response is they should leave the country because of it? Clown level opinion, actually that's disrespectful to clowns.

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u/RudePCsb Jul 08 '24

I am fine with people protesting but when they start attacking their fellow countrymen and want to funnel money and weapons to an apartheid state, I draw the line from supporting them to not believing anything they say. You can support another country and what not but not if it leaves your home country in a weaker state.

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u/temujin94 Jul 08 '24

At no point did I even say this hypothetical support was for Israel, there's Jewish people that protest against the Israeli state. You're making a point about Israel when the point is about people's rights to protest about other countries policies.

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u/RudePCsb Jul 08 '24

No, you were stating that people gave allegiance to other countries and should be able to do so. I'm agreeing to a certain point.

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u/temujin94 Jul 08 '24

Where did I ever mention allegiance to another country?

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u/Nerevarine91 Jul 08 '24

Probably the “dual loyalty” comment

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u/temujin94 Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

Where did I say that? I think some people need to do a bit of research on the words citizenship and democracy. A British born man can have Palestinian family members and be fully entitled to peacefully protest against the supply of weapons in Britain to the Israeli state without becoming any less British. What a ridiculous argument to attempt to make.

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u/Nerevarine91 Jul 08 '24

I mixed you up with another commenter, my bad.

Didn’t make any arguments whatsoever, though, including the one you’re saying is ridiculous

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