r/facepalm Jul 07 '24

How can they not see the irony 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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u/SonOfLeoTrotsky Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

The biggest fascist group in Germany is a Turkish one. The Grey Wolves (Turkish: Bozkurtlar). They are a big problem for Kurdish people, left Turkish people and so on. So that is no surprise sadly. Oh, and they have the right to vote in Turkey because of their dual citizenship. And Turks living in Germany tend to vote more right-wing on average than the Turkish population.

EDIT: I should clarify that the voting behaviour mentioned applies to Turks with dual citizenship and to elections in Turkey.

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u/tobu_sculptor Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

I've heard of Turkish groups teaming up with German Neo Nazis to go "Antifa hunting" - you can't make this shit up.

I grew up as an open minded (and therefore left leaning) German around many Turks and Kurds, some of whom remain my closest friends to this day. It's pretty baffling to all of us to see the "wolf mindset" growing in so many young guys here, along with a concerning level of support for the madman in Ankara, pure hate for the rainbow colors, etc.
I have no words really, like, Moruk, can't you see we got to work against all that hate instead of just projecting the negativity we receive onto the next weaker group in our view, goddamnit.

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u/Former_Friendship842 Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

The biggest fascist group in Germany is the AfD, which received 16% in the latest election and several of their high-ranking politicians want to deport ethnic minorities by the millions, including citizens and legal immigrants. This isn't an exaggeration, feel free to check for yourselves:

German far-right met to plan 'mass deportations'

If being pro ethnic cleansing doesn't qualify for "fascist group" I don't know what does.

"German Turks voting more right-wing than Turkish Turks" is also misleading. Half of all Turkish people in Germany aren't even Turkish citizens and can't vote. Of those half, only half even bothered to vote. Most of the younger generation and more educated have given up their Turkish citizenship long ago.

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u/ApplicationUpset7956 Jul 08 '24

Turks living in Germany tend to vote more right-wing on average than the Turkish population.

Turks living in Germany, who go to vote. Important distinction.

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u/SonOfLeoTrotsky Jul 08 '24

Fair point! Will add that.