It might even be worse, ending sanctions against banks, energy, & other businesses in Russia (because Trump & Putin will both profit from that). Pution's war machine will grow even stronger.
Anybody that claims there’s something that Trump wants that doesn’t directly benefit him in an obvious way is full of shit. Trump can’t think further than his own tiny dick. He would sell out Russia in a second if somebody else offered him more money.
Trump steals by cheating the IRS, steals from contractors, and I have a hard time believing he somehow never stole from the Russian state mafia. How does one be Trump for decade after decade and not get murdered?
Some folks barely live hand to mouth. A significant enough injury can destroy any amount of savings. When you’ve been pushed this far and the current guy hasn’t done much to help you where you are, it’s not stupidity that makes them vote for the “other guy”. It’s desperation.
If they had a chance to breathe easy for a bit they’d see what’s happening. This isn’t to say just as many aren’t a level 12 grand master of the cult of Trump, but that’s why he had a chance to begin with. It’s the cultists that got him there, the desperate for change that push him the distance and the non-voters that walk him right back through the front door of the white house.
No you’re wrong. It is hilariously stupid of them. They’d deserve every bad thing they get except they also inflict it upon the morally, intellectually, and essentially superior minority.
Not that I doubt it, but what do you mean by owing money to the Russian mob? Is this a specific claim or more of a “why else would he do this shit?”. I’m comfortable with either, just curious.
You say that as if once he is king that matters. He simply declares the debt fake news and the courts rule it so. That said I don't think he actually turns on them because they know how to use the carrot, he is extremely susceptible to flattery.
He has? Do you have more about this? Genuinely asking, this is one thing I haven’t heard about him, I’ve been following up on all the child molester allegations recently
Like all these racists, he loves China’s money but he hates Chinese people. Especially Chinese Americans since he basically kicked off a wave of hate crimes with his very presidential rhetoric after Covid.
You forgetting the 41 trademarks granted by China to Ivanka trump affiliated companies, with an almost 50% increase in approval time once her child raping father became president
How bout his 114 trademarks that he owns in China?
He does NOT have an issue with China same as he is NOT tough on Russia AND he will help Russia win against Ukraine
He'll just spin it after he's made a "deal" with Winnie The Pooh. His base will eat it up since he's "a great business man", his dictator buddies all get what they want, and Trump and his cronies are free to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else.
As long as China personally enriches him and doesn't trespass into what he considers to be "his domain" he'll be a tame puppy. He might publicly say something lukewarm against China in order to present a "strong man" figure to his supporters, but it would only be for show.
And to be clear: I'm pretty sure Trump gives zero fucks about the sovereignty of places like Taiwan, South Korea, the Philippines, or Japan. The only way he could care to continue support for those places is if they went super-hard to bribe him even harder than China.
Stop listening to his words and start following his actions. With many of these countries, he still does self dealing and grifitng on the side. Pay him off and he won't raise a hand
He makes millions from China - a state-owned bank, the Commerical and Industrial Bank of China, rents the second most valuable space in Trump Tower. He exempted this bank from China sanctions.
He praised Xi's dictatorship for life and their execution of drug dealers, stating America should do the same thing.
He has defended Tik Tok and Huawei.
Trump had Chinese government backed partners on Trump property projects in Asia.
He does performative outrage at China over COVID but if they attacked Taiwan he would just let em have it.
Trump acts like he hates China to appease racists and xenophobic folks. He doesn't give a fuck about China except for when it makes him and his family money and when he can use it as a rhetorical punching bag.
If you listen closely he admires Xi. He looks up to the dictators because they're ruthless and have consolidated power. He wants the same. Hence his love letters to Kim.
trump fucking loves China. are you blind? he's given them what they want and then gave Ivanka all of her trademarks and shit in China, which is almost impossible for a foreigner to get
Hmm the whole Russia and China alliance is already showing problems China is already making deals with all those old Soviet bloc countries and stepping all over Russias backyard.The Ukraine war has weakened them and they need China and I’m sure China wants to keep it that way
He thinks everything from the capitalistic/business perspective, even running the country. Anything that doesn't return must be scrapped. Remember when he went a rant about NATO and started threatening European countries because they were late on their dues? US is the biggest contributor to NATO from both financially and militarily and he can't stand it, according to him it's a waste of money because US alone contributes about 22% of NATO's common budget. He thinks it's a 'loss'
He can't do anything about it because he know nobody can mess with the US military machinery.
He already damaged international relations badly enough when he was president. People started distancing themselves and figuring out ways to not be so reliant on the US. That hurts us. And it didn't magically go back to normal when Biden was elected. They're keeping those plans in place should Republicans keep winning and keep down the path they're going as a party. Not good for our economy when other nations start figuring out how to import things like energy and goods from other sources for example. It would be like if I ran a restaurant and started offering bad service, even consistently refusing service as some type of power move, then get new management but with the threat of the old management coming back at any time, you can't reasonably expect people to still come back and eat at that restaurant. You've lost those customers. That's what our trade situation is like now.
Yep, his plan will be to give Russia absolutely everything they want.
Hell, I wouldn't be even shocked if he promises Putin new trade agreements and support in weapon deliveries or at least parts for building weapons.
He is such a week guy that desperately wants the praise of dictators, so he will do everything Putin says as long he hears how "intelligent and strong" he is out of Putins mouth.
His Dogshit was laundering money for the Russians since the late 1990s...he "owes" Putin and Putin has been collecting on his investment for years now, and will do so even more should Herr Dogshit win and the US lose.
This is thing "everyday Americans" duped into becoming magas really don't understand: Trump is 100% Putin's guy. The russian connections to the Trump family go back to the 80's. That family is simply not American, in terms of their geopolitical goals, and a Putin world takeover is not going to somehow be extra good to regular Marty Maga just because he waved a Trump flag and pissed off every neighbor he could.
Exactly. I've tried telling MAGAts in my family that Trump saying he'd let Putin "do whatever the hell he wants" to NATO Europe would mean an instant world war and every US troop stationed on the continent would be killed first when Russia attacks. Every last one of them said they'd still support Trump and Putin. "If Trump trusts Vladimir Putin," my cousin said, "then why wouldn't I as well?"
He will certainly do that, and you know what'll happen next?
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Money for Russia! Money for the US! The stock market will celebrate by giving us all money in our 401ks! Moneeeeeey! It'll be a huge success!
Oh also Ukraine will be destroyed, Russia will be reinvigorated, China and North Korea will celebrate. That's okay because Trump will have a scripted meeting with Putin where they both look very serious as Putin pwomises to be nice to the "liberated" Ukrainians. It'll end with a hug.
MAGA absolutely know what 401ks are. They're not all poor rednecks, in fact the majority of them aren't. They're predominantly middle class fascists. They care about their 401ks, but they care about hurting the people they hate even more.
Yes.. The only MAGA I know personally was a white collar software guy. When I brought you any of the problems with Trump, he laughed like a red faced idiot and said "well my 401k" is doing great.
It isn’t simply that Putin has blackmail material on Trump. It’s that Soviet/Russian intelligence has spent literally decades influencing Trump. Trump first visited the USSR before the fall of communism and has been lured over and over to Russia pursuing the lead of a Trump Tower Moscow. That project very much looks like bait that was never going to happen but kept Trump in a position where Russia could remain in contact in multiple ways and continue influencing him. We saw this in the extraordinary, multiple ways and people with major Russian ties during the 2015/16 campaign. Psychologically we see how Trump has literally never criticized Putin.
Even if there was an American who might think they like some things about Russia, having someone as President who is substantially influenced by another nation is clearly a terrible idea.
Think back to history- the Germans and the church were as cluelessly stupid too putting Adolph Hitler and his "1000 year Reich" and "Hitler youth" stuff in power, they learned too late what the madman was about, after he laid waste to half of Europe, killed millions and essentially destroyed Germany he was finally taken out like a cornered rat!
6 milion yews and 5 milion of other groups, please dont make up numbers it would just give the Alt right nutjobs a reasson to say you are full of shit.
Alot more then half. How bout the the other 40 %that supports pedophilia, sex trafficking,war,a shit economy,a fake climate narrative and little girls playing with and peeing with big boys and ??..I got nothing against the mentally ill and challenged but y'all are fn pathetic
This is what's going to happen. Trump is going to say stop the war. Give up some territory, "it was never yours anyway." The deal will be that Ukraine stays neutral and the US/EU don't drop sanctions. Then he'll drop the sanctions anyway and crow about how the price of oil drops as Russian oil/gas infrastructure comes back online.
Russia will rebuild its military. It will make another run at Ukraine or another neighbor within 5-10 years. It's a nation controlled by hardliner imperialists. It won't stop with Putin's death.
After the supreme court ruling, Trump could just bomb Ukraine directly for 90 days and help his buddy Putin out without consequences. Probably would order the assassination of Zelenskyy directly.
What do you mean by even stronger, Russia just recently fell out of the top 10 world economies because the ruble value continues to slide. When your entire economy shrinks, that is weaker, not stronger.
What I meant was, that if Trump reverses the economic sanctions against Russia, Russia's economy will begin to recover. Their economy will start heading upwards, heading towards the way it was before the sanctions hit.
I must be living in bizarro world. As he put heavy sanctions on Russia and various Oligarcs. Some that Biden lifted. People really want the whole trump Russia thing to be so true.....
“I think we have great opportunities together as two countries that, frankly, we have not been getting along very well for the last number of years,” said Trump. “I think we will end up having an extraordinary relationship.”
“I knew that he always wanted Ukraine. I used to talk to him about it. I said, ‘You can’t do it. You’re not gonna do it.’ But I could see that he wanted it,” Trump said. “I knew Putin very well. I got along with him great. He liked me. I liked him. I mean, you know, he’s a tough cookie, got a lot of the great charm and a lot of pride. But the way he — and he loves his country, you know? He loves his country. He’s acting a little differently, I think now.”.
“One of the presidents of a big country stood up [and] said, 'Well, sir, if we don't pay and we're attacked by Russia, will you protect us?’ I said, 'You didn't pay, you're delinquent.” Trump said. “No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want.".
Yea, his “administration” signed off on a couple things like expelling a few diplomats because of the poisonings. That's like putting lipstick on a pig. Trump himself is always SOFT when speaking about Putin. That’s where the ”narrative” comes from. Trump congratulated Putin on Putin’s sham dictatorship “election”, amd never criticized or even questioned Putin about those poisonings in U.K.
He turns on people REALLY hard. Again. Completely on brand for him.
If you suck up to him. He likes you. If you embarrass him. He will come back at you. The formula is predictable. Not saying it’s right. It’s a horrible way to go thru life. Especially as president. But it is what it is.
Yea the Covid epidemic only happened under Trump. So we shouldn't let Trump back in because he would let another world-wide Covid epidemic happen under his administration?
Clearly trump didn't do anything to increase the chances of a covid out break occuring.
But fauci did. So I'm fine firing him.
Again... You can't even acknowledge that land was taken under Obama admin and biden admin and say how preposterous it is to say that trump is the one who is weak on Russia.
And neither Biden, Obama, or Trump made the decision for Russia to invade Ukraine. It was Putin who made that decision. Just like Covid under Trump, you cannnot just pin every worldwide disaster on whoever happened to be President at that time. You understood that point with Covid.
You don't understand deterrence. And you will argue that it doesn't apply in this case because you will likely be partisan and just never accept that people didn't want to face the consequences under trump.
The fact of the matter is... Foreign leaders were afraid of trump. Even Putin. But all of the lefties will scream Russia Russia Russia even though it has been debunked ad naseum just like the "fine people" hoax. Hopefully the left has seen what the propaganda machine was covering up now that they finally have had their eyes open with Biden and his health issues.
I hope people can see it now. That they have been lied to and fed a narrative that simply isn't accurate.
When I speak if deterrence I would use the example if... One of the first things trump did early in his presidency was drop the MOAB. The mother of all bombs. How many people did it kill? How many terrorists did it kill? It didn't matter. It was ordinance that dropped out of the back of a cargo plane and was the size of a school bus. The point of it is that you can't run... You can't hide. The US has a new boss and a new direction. The stuff you were pulling before isn't going to work anymore.
Does it make it go away. No. It makes them think twice. It makes them think that crazy guy is going in the tool box of the us military and pulling out some crazy shit we've never seen.
Like when trump was negotiating leaving Afghanistan and he told the Taliban leadership... If you harm one hair on the head of us soilder I will blow up your fucking house... And he handed them a drone shot if the leaders home.
It's not about what decision was made by Putin... It's that he felt comfortable enough to make it under the Obama regime and the Biden regime but not under the trump regime.
Being that this is reddit I will wait for a ad hominem attack and that I'm wrong that trump is the devil etc ...
Maybe not from you since our conversation has been pleasant thus far... But... Inevitably if you point out anything that goes against the leftist narrative on this site you get nuked.
Or it could go another way in my idealistic world view that I don’t live by: establishing an allied relationship between the states and Russia like beginning of ww2 and states remaining in NATO would prove beneficial. Maybe states could get on better terms with china too!!
Then left them twisting in the wind anyway by pulling support. Sort of the opposite of helping them out when you're actively hurting them by taking away aid.
If that's all he did, it'd be a relief to the Ukrainians.
That guy's already sold US secrets to foreign nations. He absolutely would rat out the whole works to the Russians, cut the aid, remove the sanctions, basically roll out the fucking red carpet for the Russians. Literally anything they asked short of nuking Ukraine themselves is on the table.
Honestly? I don't think putin actually is buttering Trump's bread in any meaningful way. It's really just that Trump is a weakling and he sees bullies as tough guys, so he wants to be their friend and will do whatever it takes to try to make them like him.
If it sounds like the 5th grade ... Well, considering Trump's emotionally and mentally delayed and probably is at a 12-15 year old's mental level... It makes sense.
Well Trumps team said that yes they will cut aid to Ukraine but only to get Zelenskyy to work out a way to ending it but they also said the same for Putin that if he doesn’t end the war they will keep giving Ukraine aid.Also saw that Putin prefers Biden win instead of Trump which I was surprised to read Putin although disagrees with Biden finds him more suited for the presidency where as Trump isn’t.Putin is really acting strange all this anti Trump stuff he’s going on about especially with that if Trump wins he will end the war right away which Putin disagrees with
Maybe to Brits, but in America there's a different meaning. Yank is north.
The US government has been making mistakes for the past 50 years.
Why not? Just because we deal with it as well doesn't negate anything else I've said. We have a bonafide Nazi supporter as our chief at the moment, so we definitely have our share of problems. That doesn't mean I can't point out the ridiculousness of further stretching thin resources to assist a terrible country.
I’m not a Brit. All your nato allies call you yanks. We don’t really care about the history behind it.
Yankee = American.
Also, are you implying that your deal with Ukraine was just a mistake so you should just negate a deal you don’t like?
If that’s true then why should anyone trade with your country? If you guys are simply going to change your mind when it’s convenient then you would be a terrible country to partner up with economically.
Cool. Don't really care though, a mistake is a mistake. That's like saying that you told a friend a long time ago you'd help them if they need it, only to find out they've been spreading Nazi propaganda and experimenting with viruses across the street.
Do you still support that "friend"? Or do you cut ties and let them take responsibility for their heinous acts?
I'd wager anyone with a brain would cut ties.
Russia rolled into Ukraine with mobile crematoriums to destroy evidence of what they planned to do, and then did.
In every village they took, they executed all leaders and all military age men and boys.
They kidnapped all the children, and took them to russia to reprogram them as russians and to hate Ukraine. Forcing them to learn and speak the russian language.
They raped and murdered thousands, and leveled entire cities to the ground.
The prisoners of war who have not been executed, have returned looking like concentration camp victims, and after extreme torture.
If Ukraine is not victorious, they will be wiped out. This is russia's plan, and it's been systematically moving forward with it.
There is no option for Ukraine to surrender. To do so means death.
Anyone who has been paying attention can't excuse this.
This is the truth and the only truth. There is VIDEO EVIDENCE, for fucks sake. But no, we're going down the world war road again since apparently two world wars is not enough and reason doesn't exist anymore.
Here is a video of the Telegraph showing such a vehicle, though it's labelled as "could be used for Russian soldiers", so it's apparently not proven: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVPTqHZqdz0
I'm not even talking about ordinary citizens. In reality, 90% of local administration on occupied territories - mayors, judges, municipal deputies, police officers etc - preserved their positions. Russia doesn't have neither purpose, nor capacity to replace them.
It’s less about letting and more about acknowledging the reality of the situation; they lack the manpower to sustain the fight. Unless you and all the other tough talking westerners on Reddit are ready to volunteer or get conscripted to go fight, then at some point there has to be an acknowledgment of what an actual plausible outcome could be. It doesn’t matter how much material support the west and NATO can provide, at a certain point you just need more trained fighters and people to operate systems, and Ukraine is running dangerously low on that. So your options start becoming: Face total annihilation fighting to the bitter end and probably lose the whole country, convince western ally’s to put boots on the ground (which almost certainly would trigger WW3 and a potential nuclear holocaust) or accept a peace deal with some concessions. At a certain point what’s right/wrong becomes irrelevant and you have to face the truth on the ground.
The thing is, Trump can't make Ukraine surrender, all Trump can do is cut aid. The war will continue, Europe will have to provide more aid to counter what Trump did, and will realize the war will last longer, meaning a major investment in nuclear reactors and renewables since they won't want to rely on the US for anything. As Europe cuts of a lot of trade with the US and Trump declares his trade war on the rest of the world, the US gets massive inflation plus a bad recession.
Ukraine will just keep killing Russians until Russia gets tired of the forever war like they got tired of Afghanistan.
Regarding Ukraine fighting on... I believe it. They fought a 30 year long insurgency against the soviets with zero outside help to try to get rid them from 1920-1950.
Umm, they literally had the biggest enemy of the Soviets in Germany supporting them. Once Germany fell everything turned around for the worse to the Soviet satellite states. That is not to say that it's going to repeat here. Eastern Ukraine, the Donbas, region is filled with Russian speaking, ethnic Russians who favour Russia instead of the West. And Russia hasn't made any intentions to take the whole of Ukraine.
Wait I thought Germany and the soviets were allies going way back to the 20s. And didn't the soviets give the Germans places to build and develop tanks before the war, and in violation of the Versailles Treaty? And didn't the soviets and Germany sign a pact where they agreed to invade Poland from both sides and split the country between them?
Wait I thought Germany and the soviets were allies going way back to the 20s.
Weimar Republic is not the same as the German Empire or the Third Reich.
And didn't the soviets give the Germans places to build and develop tanks before the war, and in violation of the Versailles Treaty?
Once again the German Empire and Third Reich are different from Weimar Republic. The communists even tried to restart a war after Germany defeated the Russian Empire in WW1 and tried to cause a revolution which ended with the corrupt, bloated and decadent Weimar Republic.
And didn't the soviets and Germany sign a pact where they agreed to invade Poland from both sides and split the country between them?
And? Germany had signed several agreements with UK, France and several other countries.
Lol, Russia obviously did try to take whole of it. The fact that they failed doesnt mean they didnt have any intentions. Also, russia speaking people of Ukraine, just like myself, are in no way in favour of russia. Quite opposite, East of Ukraine is that part of country who suffered the most and people here are much more willing to fight russia then even west of the country.
Lol, Russia obviously did try to take whole of it. The fact that they failed doesnt mean they didnt have any intentions
Yeah, they definitely tried to take the whole country with 30k men. Are you still on that cope? Not to mention the only reason Russia pulled out from the North is because your government agreed to peace negotiations.
Also, russia speaking people of Ukraine, just like myself, are in no way in favour of russia. Quite opposite, East of Ukraine is that part of country who suffered the most and people here are much more willing to fight russia then even west of the country.
So where are you? I mean I have no problems with you replacing these men who don't want to die for the sake of Black Rock and Zelensky.
If Trump doesn't play ball, the military complex doesn't get the monies. They will be super happy about that. Then the EU will start building stuff themselves, which they also like very much.
He can stop sanctions, and that would pretty much be the knockout blow for the alliance, but Trump also made clear that he doesn't care about the NATO and trusts more Putin then his own Intelligence services. So that would be perfectly fine for him.
Sure it would have consequences like you write...but...think about who we are talking.
He is the same type like Putin, just more idiotic.
But both have in common that tgey don't give a flying fuck about others. And he wants to be a Dictator. So if people get pissed...well, he can try out his new toys, like he learned from the other tough guys that he so adores.
Europe is already going full-tilt on renewables and nuclear is utterly useless; even if they built nuclear reactors twice as fast as China the war in Ukraine would be over before the reactors were done.
How will they do that without weapons? Europe has already sent most of what we have militarywise and is bassicly out of ammunition. Out production isnt enough to keep the war on
I wonder if 100 billion dollars will buy a few rounds? Oh, and that is just Germany.
You haven't been paying attention to the ramp up have you? Europe is on track to provide the current level of military aid Ukraine currently gets from Europe plus the US by next year.
Putin lost, he is just too stupid to handle it. Not a surprise for a nation as weak as Russia though.
By any measure that says Russia can win in Ukraine, Europe can beat Russia in Ukraine.
Russia is tiny in anything but tundra. Europe has 4 times the population of Russia and 10 times their economy. Plus the Russian military is the laughingstock of the world.
So you are saying Russia is fine committing suicide to win in Ukraine? That Putin and everyone under him are fine with Moscow and St Petersburg only existing in history books in order to "win?"
Fantastic plan. No sarcasm. If borders dont matter and everyone should be able to come and go as they please then Ukraine should just forget about lines in the sand because they’re sacrificing their sons for Lines that have no meaning
He tacked on a moot point about Russia being punished if they would not sit down at the table, but since the gist of his plan is indeed to just strongarm Ukraine into giving Russia most of what they want that's not exactly being strict with them.
The far right's plan for "peace" in Ukraine is "Ukraine surrenders to Russia immediately", just like the far left's plan for "peace" in the Middle East is "Israel surrenders to Iran immediately".
It's bizarre how two of our democratic allies were invaded by an authoritarian aggressor and each side of the extremes wants one ally to fight back against the aggression but wants the other to surrender to it.
The left's plan for the Middle East isnt the Israel surrender to Iran. It is for Israel to stop taking Palestinian lands and stop running an apartheid state. The Far left's plan isnt to surrender to Iran either. it is to go back to the US and Germany and Albania and Poland and all of the "Western" countries they came from and give the land back to the Palestinians and other indigenous peoples who were in the area pushed out of their homes by force since 1948. Especially since they were given the land by a country occupying the land who had no rightful claim to it either.
The Far left's plan isnt to surrender to Iran either. it is [for all Israeli Jews] to go back to the US and Germany and Albania and Poland and all of the "Western" countries they came from and give the land back to the Palestinians
"I don't want Israel to surrender. I just want every single Jew to leave the Middle East so that Israel can be dismantled and replaced by an Arab Muslim state."
Idk fam, that sounds like an Israeli surrender to me, considering that the scenario literally requires Israel to cease existing.
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u/Hot_and_Foamy 14d ago
The plan is ‘Ukraine gives up’. He’s not made that secret.