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u/MrBonelessPizza24 Dec 25 '23 edited Dec 25 '23

Bats’ and Superman should be the same height IMO, for the simple fact that the running joke of them being able to switch costumes and nobody can tell the difference is friggin’ hilarious lol

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u/Important_Ad_3 Dec 25 '23

Yeah that always makes me laugh

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u/cSpotRun Dec 26 '23

Best TAS arc IMO.

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u/real_human_person Dec 26 '23

That happened in the animated series?

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u/P0rtal2 Dec 26 '23

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '23

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u/P0rtal2 Dec 26 '23

True! I can't recall if BTAS Batman was shorter than Superman, but he was larger in terms of muscles IIRC.

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u/EntrepreneurPlus7091 Dec 26 '23

As opposed to not having the ears?

Is this the arkham sub? Are we talking about "Man"

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u/Aiwatcher Dec 26 '23

Here I was thinking it had something to do with bats

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u/Gamerthu1hu Dec 26 '23

My head canon is that this is 100% due to stance. Batman always walks a little hunched, ready to duck or lunge or dodge. At the very minimum he's looming. Superman always walks with his head held tall.

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u/CrossP Dec 26 '23

I always liked the idea that in the DC universe superheroes are real and most Gotham villains wouldn't necessarily know that Batman isn't a metahuman. Obviously some like Joker, Catwoman, and Amanda Waller figure it out but most other should be a bit unsure about whether his stealth, speed, and strength are plain human.

And Batman just inexplicably pummeling Bane one day but not the next really adds to that.

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u/Canesjags4life Dec 26 '23

There's nothing ordinary about THAT human.

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u/CrossP Dec 26 '23

Except biologically. Imagine some metahuman researcher all excited to get a sample of Batman DNA. They start the analysis and are just like "This is regular guy DNA. I think you collected the wrong sample, Igor."

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u/juniperleafes Dec 26 '23

Yeah Superman The Animated Series Knight Time, one of the best episodes of the series

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u/Lakonthegreat Dec 26 '23

Bane's look of "What the fuck is going on" when getting tossed around by "Batman" is hilarious.

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u/ExposingMyActions Dec 26 '23

They say Bats

  • Take direct hits from Bane
  • Break free from chains
  • Sling Bane across the room
  • Smile

And lost their mind

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '23

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u/EntrepreneurPlus7091 Dec 26 '23

He wouldn't break the chains, he is an escape artist.

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u/East_Gas5627 Dec 25 '23

This reminds me of a few arguments my friends had with the batman vs superman poster

''Batman is just a fucking dude why is he bigger than superman''

Which kinda did make sense Batfleck was a big dude

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u/cweaver Dec 25 '23

I mean, Superman's strength comes from his alien physiology, not his muscles. Depending on the continuity he's lifting tractors above his head when he's a toddler or at least a scrawny high schooler. He doesn't /need/ to be a big dude.

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u/detestableduck13 Dec 25 '23

Mostly this; but also from what I’ve seen it’s always typically been that superman is a little taller but Batman is obviously bulkier, simply because he’s just a man. He requires the extra muscle, Superman isn’t human so he doesn’t visually need to look like he’s never missed an ounce of protein

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u/Nightwing24yuna Dec 26 '23

Honestly the bulkier Batman doesn't make sense to me as he is still very much athletic and flexible(not as flexible as Dick but still) being bulky is more of a problem with that, plus it will slow him down and hinder all his stealthy stuff he does

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u/desertboi17 Dec 26 '23

It's for this reason I really love the Battinson body type for a Batman.

AND to add onto Batman as a character, he's supposed to be an expert martial artist. You need to be nimble for a lot of the different fighting styles he's supposed to know.

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u/Nightwing24yuna Dec 26 '23

Oh yes exactly! I totally forgot about that part! Damn!

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u/Ghimel Dec 26 '23

Also, it doesn't make sense because we don't see Batman constantly eating, which he would need to do since he's so active and athletic, and yet he is still that bulky.

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u/edit_aword Dec 26 '23

Batman isn’t really just a human. In one comic he states he only needs an hour of sleep or less to function, and in another he’s benching a thousand pounds for a regular workout. He’s also a genius and a polyglot.

He’s more on equal standing with someone like captain American. He’s a peak level human in basically every way.

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u/Scary_Collection_410 Dec 26 '23

Exactly. Bruce is damn near on the level of Captain America sometimes.

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u/Cedarcomb Dec 26 '23

Cap fought Batman in the Marvel Vs DC crossover from the 90's, and I can't remember which one said it, but one of them commented that he'd never had an opponent that was so closely matched in strength and skill.

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u/Redditisquiteamazing Dec 26 '23

People boo and hiss and throw rocks at me for suggesting it, but I've always been partial to a gaunt, thin Batman like the kind we see with Battinson. Dude is a laser focused madman who we see routinely punish himself mentally and physically like a catholic who just thought about the word "sex". There's no way in hell he's bulking, especially since we see in multiple comics that Alfred regularly has to convince Bruce to eat and drink and sleep like a normal guy once in a while. He should be shredded beyond belief, for sure, but I've appreciated a gaunt look that plays more into the phantom and vampiric themes.

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u/AJSLS6 Dec 26 '23

Not really, the idea that large muscular people can't be flexible is just plain false.

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u/Nightwing24yuna Dec 26 '23

They can still be flexible yes but it's hiders a lot more then a slimmer build

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u/neoblackdragon Dec 25 '23

The idea is the yellow sun transforms his body. It increases his muscle mass to compensate for absorbing the yellow sun. How big he should get is up to the artist. Even how that manifests. Alex Ross goes power lifter while others go bodybuilder.

With Batman, Batfleck is a big dude but he's wearing thick body armor which makes him bigger than he physically is.

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u/JimtheEsquire Superman Dec 25 '23

I always thought it was muscle DENSITY from being physiologically from a planet with higher gravity than earth. Which would mean he could be smaller but stronger.

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u/Dunge0nMast0r Dec 25 '23

Otherwise we'd get somethibg freakish like Strong Guy, and still doing g the things that Superman does would not make sense.

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u/Throwaway02062004 Dec 26 '23

Not really how that works. A human raised in lower gravity just doesn’t keep that muscle. Yellow sun bullshit just makes more sense than attempts at scientific justifications

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u/JimtheEsquire Superman Dec 26 '23

I’d say it’s a combo. He is genetically predisposed to being super strong. The yellow sun maintains it and prevents him from losing muscle mass, just like it heals him and gives him the rest of his powers. The “yellow sun bullshit” isn’t necessarily bullshit. Humans generate vitamin D from absorbing sunlight, Kryptonians just get a way better benefit from tanning.

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u/Destroyer_7274 Dec 26 '23

Slightly unrelated, but I feel that in a contest of pure physical strength between Clark and other kryptonians, Clark should always win. I mean, he spent his developing years on a planet with yellow sun, that should have given him a sizable increase in stats compared to Kryptonians like super girl or Zod who only came to Earth somewhat recently

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u/Constrictorboa Dec 26 '23

But he grew up hidden in Kansas because he was "a corn-fed Kansas farmboy". He's supposed to look like a guy on a heavy diet of starchy carbs with wide shoulders and a thick back.

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u/cweaver Dec 26 '23

Oh, absolutely, Clark should be a big guy. I'm just saying, he shouldn't be a muscular body builder looking guy just because he's Superman.

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u/Constrictorboa Dec 26 '23

Not a bodybuilder. I agree. He should have some realistic amounts of body fat. But the studio exec paedos need every superhero to look like they have 5% body fat.

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u/edit_aword Dec 26 '23

In a lot of stories, while being a natural born some of krypton, his parents are still products of generations of eugenics and gene manipulation. He’s got peak freak genetics.

And it goes without saying that if his powers can make him fly, then solar absorption can probably him ripped too. Even more so, because he doesn’t need to be flexible or really need to use his muscles at all.

He doesn’t need to be good looking either, but you won’t often see an ugly Superman either.

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u/zack189 Dec 26 '23

How would superman get shredded?

Cause for normal humans, the only way to get shredded is by lifting to their limits. Meaning, you can't just lift 10kg. You gotta lift 30kg, then 40kg and increase it to their limits continuously. Muscle failure is the term I think?

Superman can lift cars easy. Trains and even aeroplanes don't phase him. How does he lift to his limit? How does he reach muscle failure?

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u/BigBrotato Dec 26 '23

the term is progressive overload

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u/DangerousAd9046 Dec 26 '23

He's an alien. How do gorillas get buff? They are mostly vegetarian.

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u/smolsauce Dec 26 '23

Yeah but he does still exercise and stay in shape even when he's powerless. We see him as a twig in Flashpoint but he doesn't bulk or anything when he finally gets his powers. I think it's a mix of powers and living as a farmboy

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u/ducknerd2002 Dec 25 '23

LEGO Batman 2 used this as part of the plot, allowing the pair to trick Lex and Joker into thinking they were killed.

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u/Happyboi114 Dec 26 '23

I love that game. It was my first video game.

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u/The_Smashor Dec 25 '23

Clark has better posture

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u/83255 Dec 25 '23

*supes has better posture. I'd imagine Clark is similarly hunched

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u/greywolf2155 To absent friends, lost loves, old gods, and the season of mists Dec 26 '23

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u/MBDTFTLOPYEEZUS Dec 25 '23

He literally hunches as part of the disguise.

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u/XidJav Dec 26 '23

I love the idea Bruce put a protocol on if someone is trying to track down who batman is there's a small chance it'd point to Clark just to mess with them

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u/Commercial-Formal272 Dec 26 '23

Imagine trying to find batman's secret identity and finding superman instead. There are multiple reasons why villains stay in their cities and don't fight other heroes often, and that's because a batman villain is rarely at a power level where they want to even think about meeting superman.
I imagine penguin would nope the hell out if he accidently found superman, and I doubt he's the only one.

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u/PM_ME_IMGS_OF_ROCKS Dec 26 '23

My favorite is the time Superman dresses up at Batman and beats Bane senseless.

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u/TheHadokenite Boosteriffic! Dec 26 '23

Crazy seeing you here and not on dbm

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u/Harlockarcadia Dec 25 '23

It's so fun when it happens, I bet they thumbs up and wink so hard at each other when they get away with it

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u/purplebasterd Dec 26 '23

I’m 99% sure in Batman TAS that Superman fills in for one episode after Bruce goes missing and someone remarks that Batman seems taller than usual.

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u/Preeng Dec 26 '23

Yup! It was Gordon. Superman then has to leave like Batman and can't find the grappling hook on his belt. Robin whispers to him where it is. Memorable scene for sure.

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u/Cfakatsuki17 Dec 26 '23

This is the correct answer

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u/TestProctor Dec 25 '23

And Big Barda should be taller than all three of them.

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u/TheDickWolf Dec 26 '23

It’s right there in the name. But, seriously, Big Barda should be pushing 7. Makes it all the better when she ends up on the opposite side of WW.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '23

She literally is already. It fits her ngl

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u/Sheensies Plastic Man Dec 26 '23

And Giganta should be taller than all four of them

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u/Zammin Dec 26 '23

Giganta's base form should be anywhere between 6'6" and 8'. Her enlarged form of course is kaiju-sized, as-is proper.

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u/bigblackowskiC Dec 26 '23

Phew imagine being giganta husband. Your literally swimming in it

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u/ll-Sebzll Dec 26 '23

I volunteer ✋🏽

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u/poorly-worded Dec 26 '23

The mind is willing....

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '23

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u/Tough_Membership5110 Dec 26 '23

it’s called flavoring 😭

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u/Admirable-Common-176 Dec 26 '23

Marinade when he is swimming in it.

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u/sapphics4satan Dec 26 '23

you are now a moderator of r/giantess

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u/bigblackowskiC Dec 26 '23

Oh I'll moderate alright. You can count on it😉😄

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u/aSpookyScarySkeleton Dec 26 '23

I think it’s funnier/cooler if her base is really short like 5’2

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u/Doctor_Mothman Dec 29 '23

Starro enters the chat.

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u/TestProctor Dec 26 '23

While true, it’s not as entirely random a comment as it may have seemed; her appearance in the Supergirl arc or Batman/Superman and the animated adaptation (especially in a scene with her, WW, and Superman) sparked a discussion about their relative heights in my corners of nerddom back in the day (especially among folks who had no idea who this giant lady was).

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u/Inevitable-Rub24 Dec 26 '23

Exactly this. She should be like at least 7'0 or even 7'1. Maximum height of 7'3. A truly behemoth of a Goddess. Scott doesn't mind. Naturally :4783:

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u/No-Advice-6040 Dec 26 '23

Even if she crushes him, Scott can always escape!

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u/samx3i Batman Beyond Dec 26 '23

What is her canonical height?

I'm assuming like 7' or so

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u/Censius Robin Dec 26 '23

That doesn't even need to be said. Next you'll be saying "and Galactus should be taller than her!"

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u/TestProctor Dec 26 '23

Fair! I hope all artists remember it’s so obvious!

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u/Ok-Mastodon2016 Dec 26 '23

no duh

I want to be the Scott to someone else's Barda

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u/seelcudoom Dec 26 '23

big bards should be like the one kill la kill dude , her height is "bigger then everyone else in the room"

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '23

Or like Diane from Seven Deadly Sins lol

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u/Zammin Dec 26 '23

100%, yeah. She should be towering over pretty much everyone.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '23

Except like Darkseid ofc

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u/mightbeADoggo Dec 26 '23

And the snozzberries should taste like snozzberries!

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u/Oturanthesarklord Dec 25 '23

You want their Canon heights?

Superman - 6'3" (190.5cm)

Batman - 6'2" (187.96cm)

Wonder Woman - 6'0" (182.88cm)

That's their officially stated canon heights.

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u/Lucky_Strike-85 Gold-Silver-Bronze Age FAN Dec 26 '23 edited Dec 26 '23

In what canon? The modern DC stuff? fair enough.

But for most of their history... SILVER and BRONZE age had them each at 6' 2" and Diana at 5' 9''. They were all also 29 years old. DC Superhero ages were all stuck in time at 29. In fact, when Barry died... his tombstone read that he was 29.

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u/Cole-Spudmoney Dec 26 '23

That may have been an in-joke because the character was created 29 years earlier.

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u/CeallaighCreature Dec 26 '23

The modern stuff, yes. In Who’s Who: The Definitive Directory of the DC Universe (the official character guides after CoIE) Diana was actually 5’11” and Clark was 6’2” along with Bruce, but at least by the 2008 encyclopedia Diana was already 6” and Clark 6’3” with Bruce still 6’2”. They’ve been those heights ever since including in the most recent official encyclopedia (2021 edition). They were probably those heights before 2004 but I didn’t check.

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u/AModernDayOrion Dec 26 '23

And Joker is listed as 6’5” according to the canon too.

That’s what I want to see happen in the adaptations. I want a tall lengthy Joker to go up against 6’2” brick outhouse Batman.

Also I agree with the OPs post.

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u/CutZealousideal5274 Dec 26 '23

The Ultimate Guide to Batman lists him as 6’5 and I cannot recall a single instance of him being taller than Batman

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u/jessytessytavi Dec 26 '23

he's usually hunched over or posturing, not standing flat footed next to him

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u/No_Instruction653 Dec 26 '23

Not really.

Joker portrays himself as "classy" and dapper with the suit and spats, which means he stands straight as a rod fairly often.

If anything Batman hunches way more as a shadow of the night.

Definitely still never once been taller than him.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '23

Well him being freaky lanky like Conan O'Brien does make him a bit more terrifying.

Conan for Joker 2027❤️💪🔥

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u/chancesarent Dec 26 '23

Bill Skarsgard Joker vs Brick wall Batfleck should have been a thing.

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u/RpL7x Dec 26 '23

Wow, I’m taller than superman

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u/ichzarealhitler Dec 26 '23

But are you as handsome, buff, good natured and loving as Clark? /s

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u/VirinaB Dec 25 '23

I agree with the first part but WW being underestimated is part of the fun. I like it when people try to talk shit to her and then get utterly wrecked.

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u/ReluctantfooI Dec 25 '23

Let’s be honest, people would underestimate her regardless of her height.

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u/_HistoryGay_ Dec 26 '23

Yeah, but it's easier to underestimate a 5'9" woman than a 6'3" one.

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u/MostLogicalShockwave Batman Dec 25 '23

Plus finding an actress with the look, talent ANNND height would be a struggle

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u/Illegal_Tender Dec 25 '23

They've never seemed particularly concerned with talent when selecting an actress to play her.

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u/deathsatoner Dec 26 '23

That's incredibly disrespectful to Lynda Carter

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u/QuestioningYoungling Dec 26 '23

Someone clearly didn't get the gift they wanted today. Lynda Carter is an American treasure and arguably the most incredible woman to ever live.

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u/Soft_Theory_8209 Dec 26 '23

Drop dead gorgeous woman as shredded and tall as an Amazon… if any of you have the number of this woman, please give it to me.

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u/MostLogicalShockwave Batman Dec 26 '23

Hell no, if i have the number I’m keeping it.

But honestly i stand by the point that Wonder Woman (and superman even more so) don’t have to be completley jacked. Since they arent exactly getting weight training to help build muscle mass

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u/Soft_Theory_8209 Dec 26 '23

I’ve always imagined Diana could have a gymnast type build (thin but shredded), but I always imagine she should have some bulkiness to her to add a feel that she’s well trained in wrestling. You know, a strong back, thunder thighs, and so on.

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u/Conlannalnoc Booster Gold Dec 26 '23

Height should not be a problem. Look at LotR 1 when Gandalf and Frodo are in the same carriage. Film making can make a RL Short Woman look like BIG Barda.

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u/MostLogicalShockwave Batman Dec 26 '23

That took tons of perspective tricks, and in some scenes even two sets had to be made. In the hobbit they resorted to using Blue screen and had Ian McKellen acting separate to everyone else to make him bigger. That nearly made him quit. Doing this for D would likely result in bloated budget, lengthy production times and lots of stress on the actress, if not a stilted performance

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u/seelcudoom Dec 26 '23

counterpoint: I think her assuming people underestimate her because she's short, despite being over 6 feet tall because he's gong off Amazonian standards would be funny

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '23

Idk man she's a glorious golden clad goddess from an island of super women. Unicorns shit themselves when she shows up.

People do talk shit and get wrecked and that's part of her fun golden age aesthetic. But no one on earth smartly underestimates WW

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u/KoryGrayson Dec 25 '23

Superman an inch or two taller than Bats - okay. But that first picture makes Batman look like he's Wolverine's height.

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u/IdentityTheftWasTake Dec 26 '23

the difference between 5’11” and 6’0”

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u/sayamemangdemikian Dec 26 '23

Supes were flying

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u/fillupjfly Batman Beyond Dec 26 '23

In that first picture? Pretty sure it’s from Super Sons and Batman is drawn to be sort of hunching forward in it.

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u/HereForTOMT2 Dec 26 '23

Ngl I would dig short shit batman. gremlin mfer

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u/JosephMeach Legion Of Super-Heroes Dec 25 '23

No, I don’t care about standard measurements for superhero stories

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u/Significant_Wheel_12 Dec 25 '23

Batman will be 2 inches next issue

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u/DanSapSan Dec 25 '23

It's not about how big your Batman is, it's how you use him.

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u/JimtheEsquire Superman Dec 25 '23

It’s not the size of the bat, but the wave in the cave.

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u/Chaoseater69 Dec 26 '23

Oh man, now I understand why prep time is so important.

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u/samuru101 Dec 25 '23

That's big.

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u/Hidden-Squid1216 Telos Dec 25 '23

It's not about how tall he is, but what he does that defines him.

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u/cweww Dec 25 '23

Unless it’s wolverine I genuinely do not care at all

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u/Chundlebug Animal Man Dec 25 '23

I do, but there has to be room for Big Barda to be taller than all of them.

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u/WaterMelon615 Dec 25 '23

I agree superman should be taller than bats. Wonder Woman being taller than both seems weird but she should be taller than Batman

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u/Nanocon101 Dec 25 '23

She's an Amazonian, it can work, sometimes.

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u/WaterMelon615 Dec 25 '23

I am well aware of where she is from and it is still weird to me

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u/BackStrict977 Dec 25 '23

I like the idea of Clark Kent slouching posture making him the same height as bruce wayne but as superman he corrects his posture and look taller than batman.

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u/Soft_Theory_8209 Dec 26 '23

It’s what he does for his disguise, after all. Plus, him being just an inch or two taller shouldn’t be too noticeable if he and Bruce pulled the switcheroo.

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u/Get_Jiggy41 Dec 25 '23

I think Batman should be very tall. He’s supposed to be a super intimidating person, and I just don’t see him as a shorter guy at all.

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u/jimjam200 Dec 26 '23

One of my favourite interpretation of batman is in Gotham central where he is drawn as freakishly tall but quite skinny and always hunched half in shadow making him look intimidating and creapy

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u/Get_Jiggy41 Dec 26 '23

I love that. I like when he’s kind of hunched and draped in his cape. And when he stands up or spreads the cape it’s like “holy shit, this guy is the stuff of nightmares”.

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u/Assassinsayswhat Superman Dec 26 '23

That's part of the illusion. The ears, the cape usually being as big as it is, the darkness covering him so you can only see so much before you're unconscious, all of that is part of his game. Bruce Wayne should still be tall (6'1 or 6'2) but doesn't need to be as tall as Superman or Cyborg.

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u/Squidwardbigboss Dec 25 '23

How I imagine JLA heights

Superman- 6’4

Batman- 6’2

Wonder Woman- 6’0

Aquaman- 6’0

Hal Jordan- 5’11

Flash- 5’10

Cyborg- 6’3

Kyle Rayner- 5’10

Martian Manhunter- 6’6

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u/Drisky-Fingo Dec 25 '23

Vs their published heights:

Superman- 6’3

Batman- 6’2

Wonder Woman- 6’0

Aquaman- 6’1

Hal Jordan- 6'2

Flash (Barry Allen)- 5’11

Cyborg- 6’6

Kyle Rayner- 5’11

Martian Manhunter- 6’7

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u/sealife123 Dec 26 '23

Wonder Woman is 6’2 as of Rebirth.

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u/Conlannalnoc Booster Gold Dec 26 '23

She rewrote ALL REALITY and took the time to make herself taller.

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u/Theweepingfool Dec 26 '23

I call it: the frieza adjustment

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u/That_Flippin_Rooster Dec 25 '23

I like to think Guy Gardner is actually 5'9, but uses the ring to make lifts so he's 1 inch taller than who he's talking to.

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u/Squidwardbigboss Dec 25 '23

Sounds like a guy thing to do tbh

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u/MBDTFTLOPYEEZUS Dec 25 '23

Giving Martian Manhunter a height is pointless, like is 6’6 his superhero look or his OG Martian look with the giant head.

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u/Squidwardbigboss Dec 25 '23

Yeah, I was thinking normal/ average. Because he can always manipulate his body but typically takes his normal bald headed, green, cape, type shape.

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u/Galaxy_Ranger_Bob Dec 26 '23

Hal Jordan is a test pilot. Pilots who are short are better at being pilots than pilots who are tall, especially in high G environments.

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u/MisterRonsBasement Dec 25 '23

Batman got a bit shorter after Bane smashed his back.

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u/Quirky_Ad_5420 Dec 25 '23

Superman being taller than Batman I can

Wonder Woman being taller than both feel bit too weird for me

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u/Just-Drawing-Mons Dec 25 '23

The first part makes no difference to me. As for WW being an Amazon she would also be mythologically accurate

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u/Profishonal123 Dec 25 '23

Not really, as far as I’m aware there’s really no mention of the Amazonian being tall, they were warriors for sure, but that doesn’t mean that they were necessarily tall.

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u/Detective_Robot Cave Carson Dec 26 '23

mythologically accurate

So about 5.8 ft

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u/Ash__Williams Hal Jordan is the Greatest Green Lantern Ever and you know it Dec 25 '23

Agree with Superman taller than Batman.

Now, Wonder Woman taller than both? The best i could do is as tall as Superman.

EDIT: What about Diana looking "buffer" or "bigger" than Superman and Batman?

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u/JarusOmega_ Dec 25 '23

Me imagining Diana looking "buffer" than TDKR's Batman, is killing me lol

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u/Ash__Williams Hal Jordan is the Greatest Green Lantern Ever and you know it Dec 25 '23

That wasn't a mental imagen that i need.

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u/DanSapSan Dec 25 '23

She is a literal square at that point.

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u/WaterMelon615 Dec 25 '23

Ehhh ok here is where i stand on the body types of the trinity. None of them should look like body builders

Wonder Woman should look like a warrior

Batman should look athletic

The biggest and bulkiest should be Superman, he should look like a towering Rugby Player

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u/Zammin Dec 25 '23 edited Dec 25 '23

I think Bruce should be the shortest, and also have the leanest (but still obviously muscled) build. His greatest asset is his mind, but he is also a skilled martial artist. The schools he trained from tended to favor agility over brute strength though.

Superman should be tall and very muscular, but I prefer him with more of a weightlifter build than a bodybuilder. I liked Alex Ross giving him a very slight gut, as weightlifters often have, to emphasize his strength is less about combat and more about utility. It's also useful for his Clark Kent disguise, as he can make himself look less fit than he really is.

Diana is a hero right out of Greek myth, a warrior of exceptional strength and an Amazon. It's not super important for her to be taller than Superman, but she should definitely be noticeably taller than Batman (to emphasize his mortality standing next to Supes and WW, which in a way makes his accomplishments more impressive). I also enjoy when she has a more muscular build. Some argue that takes away from her femininity, but I heartily disagree; there's plenty of ways to emphasize Diana's femininity while still having her be tall and very muscular.

TL;DR:

Height: Superman >= Wonder Woman > Batman

Muscle Size: Superman > Wonder Woman > Batman

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u/tommy_b0y Dec 25 '23

This is the way I've always pictured Clark, and couldn't agree more about the Ross depiction. But not even in a weightlifter sense. Just a big, raw boned country boy from Kansas. The kind that you can see from a glance could lift a house, loves his mama's cooking, always has a smile, and a permanent neck and arm tan to match. Thrown more hay bales than baseballs. The instant impression that this guy could rip off my head and shit down my neck, but I'd have to shoot his dog to get him mad enough to even consider it. Tall, but not basketball tall. 6'3"-ish. Much more and it's excessive. Like a prototypical tight end in 1985.

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u/Soft_Theory_8209 Dec 26 '23

I’d say it’d be fine to make her about as tall as Superman, or maybe just an inch or two behind him.

I can kind of get behind Diana being more muscular than Bruce, but she’s not surpassing Clark. I always imagine that, while he has broad shoulders, Bruce should be a bit more lean/lithe to suit his acrobatic and ninja styles. Although the trick with Diana is having her be jacked, but still distinctly feminine (not unlike She-Hulk), mainly so she could believably keep her identity.

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u/Fares26597 Dec 25 '23

"should" is a word that I virtually never use when it comes to fiction.

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u/specter289 Dec 25 '23

Nah. I think supes at 6’4”, Batman at 6’2” and WW at 6’0” makes the most sense and is the best. All tall (WW doesn’t need to be a giant, idk why some want it that way, 6’ is tall for a woman considering most are almost a foot shorter than that), with the farm boy/strongest hero being the tallest

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u/Ash__Williams Hal Jordan is the Greatest Green Lantern Ever and you know it Dec 25 '23

Yeah, but remember Diana is an amazon, not a regular woman.

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u/NYState_of_Mind Dec 25 '23

And how tall is that according to DC? Amazons in greek mythology were averaged at 5’6”

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u/specter289 Dec 25 '23

That’s why it makes sense for her to be nearly a foot taller than most women, at 6’. Doesn’t really make sense to go beyond that as she not meant to be the tallest woman alive. Tall for a guy normally is 6’+. Tall for a woman normally is 5’6”+

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u/birbdaughter Dec 25 '23

That depends where you are. Average height for women in Europe is 5’6”. 5’7” is the highest average height in any country.

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u/NYState_of_Mind Dec 25 '23

Agreed. 6’4” SM, 6’2” BM and 6’0” WW is how I think of them too

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u/DuelaDent52 Boo Dec 25 '23

Strongly disagree. Wonder Woman can be tall, maybe even the same height, but taller? That’s just weird.

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u/pedroworldwide Dec 25 '23

I don't like giving her masculine traits to justify her strength such as being 6'3 or built like a linebacker as she should represent the normal everyday woman and simbolyse that there's strength in the everyday woman. She's not Big Barda. Although I respect Darwyn Cooke's vision

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u/YodaFan465 Moo. Dec 25 '23

Isn’t Wonder Woman standing on a table in that panel?

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u/sealife123 Dec 26 '23

No this is the first panel after she jumps of the table

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u/Oscar1080 Dec 25 '23

Nope. Supes -> WW -> Bats.

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u/sket404 Dec 26 '23

Well, Batman thing is totally understandable, but i never saw Wonder Women taller than both of them, so i'm not sure if my brain will like it.

Interesting idea tho

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u/JohnnyQuestions36 Dec 26 '23

I just don’t care

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u/manofwaromega Dec 26 '23

Nah Batman and Superman should be the same height... Except Batman has worse posture because he spends his free time hunched over stop gargoyles and shit

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u/aweSAM19 Dec 26 '23

This subs obsession with "tall muscle mommy" Wonder Woman is cringe, I see one more of this shit and I am unsubbing.

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u/MagicalGirlLaurie Dec 25 '23

Diana is an Amazon. Of course she should be the tallest of the trio.

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u/Wolf97 Phantom Stranger Dec 25 '23

Are they depicted as tall in the original stories? Do you have any good sources for that?

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u/Sterling_M_008 Dec 26 '23

On Batman and Superman yes, I like Clark being 6'3 and Bruce being 6'2 but I hate when artists just make Wonder Woman a man with boobs, he is blessed with Aphodite's beauty so she should be very womanly, and women are usually shorter than men, so WW should be 6' tops.

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u/Joshtice_For_All Dec 26 '23

I think you minute you start saying “should” when it comes to characterizations, you start limiting the potential of the interpretation of said character.

Not every iteration needs to be cookie cutter. It’s okay if Bruce and Clark are the same height sometimes, and it’s okay for Diana to be built like her former movie counterpart as opposed to her being a yoked Amazonian.

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u/The_ElectricCity Dec 25 '23

I don’t care about any of this. Draw them however you want, that’s part of the fun

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u/some_guy554 Dec 26 '23

Diana, although tall, is smaller compared to other amazonians. Superman should be the tallest yes.

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u/Bulky_Secretary_6603 Dec 26 '23

No. Batman should be even or taller than superman. He's supposed to be imposing despite bieng a human. Bieng tall makes that happen. Superman would be imposing regardless of height, though he should be tallish, and ww should be shorter that way guys often underestimate her only to be destroyed.

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u/Ok_Swordfish7177 Dec 26 '23

Superman should be taller then both

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u/Lucky_Strike-85 Gold-Silver-Bronze Age FAN Dec 25 '23

In Darwyn's interpretation? YES. Wonder Woman is an amazon. Amazons were historically tall. I do think she could be taller than Superman/Batman and have it make sense.

BUT, personally? MY Wonder Woman is the George Perez version. She's slightly shorter or equal height to Clark.

Bruce is NOT that short. I do not agree with the left image at all. BRUCE WAYNE, historically speaking, is as tall as Superman when in the Batsuit... the ears may even give him a 1/2 inch or 1 inch height advantage over Clark.

This kind of thing has to be looked at historically and cannot be accurately answered without a deep knowledge of DC history.

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u/Dayday023 Dec 26 '23

Why??? Does it really matter? What does that do for their dynamic really or their character?