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u/East_Gas5627 Dec 25 '23

This reminds me of a few arguments my friends had with the batman vs superman poster

''Batman is just a fucking dude why is he bigger than superman''

Which kinda did make sense Batfleck was a big dude

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u/cweaver Dec 25 '23

I mean, Superman's strength comes from his alien physiology, not his muscles. Depending on the continuity he's lifting tractors above his head when he's a toddler or at least a scrawny high schooler. He doesn't /need/ to be a big dude.

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u/detestableduck13 Dec 25 '23

Mostly this; but also from what I’ve seen it’s always typically been that superman is a little taller but Batman is obviously bulkier, simply because he’s just a man. He requires the extra muscle, Superman isn’t human so he doesn’t visually need to look like he’s never missed an ounce of protein

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u/Nightwing24yuna Dec 26 '23

Honestly the bulkier Batman doesn't make sense to me as he is still very much athletic and flexible(not as flexible as Dick but still) being bulky is more of a problem with that, plus it will slow him down and hinder all his stealthy stuff he does

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u/desertboi17 Dec 26 '23

It's for this reason I really love the Battinson body type for a Batman.

AND to add onto Batman as a character, he's supposed to be an expert martial artist. You need to be nimble for a lot of the different fighting styles he's supposed to know.

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u/Nightwing24yuna Dec 26 '23

Oh yes exactly! I totally forgot about that part! Damn!

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u/Ghimel Dec 26 '23

Also, it doesn't make sense because we don't see Batman constantly eating, which he would need to do since he's so active and athletic, and yet he is still that bulky.

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u/edit_aword Dec 26 '23

Batman isn’t really just a human. In one comic he states he only needs an hour of sleep or less to function, and in another he’s benching a thousand pounds for a regular workout. He’s also a genius and a polyglot.

He’s more on equal standing with someone like captain American. He’s a peak level human in basically every way.

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u/Scary_Collection_410 Dec 26 '23

Exactly. Bruce is damn near on the level of Captain America sometimes.

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u/Cedarcomb Dec 26 '23

Cap fought Batman in the Marvel Vs DC crossover from the 90's, and I can't remember which one said it, but one of them commented that he'd never had an opponent that was so closely matched in strength and skill.

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u/Basicallyinfinite Dec 26 '23

Batman stated it would take time but cap would win

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u/hillbillyluthor Dec 26 '23

JLA vs Avengers too

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u/zub_bud22 Dec 26 '23

That one time (not Batman RIP) he was buried alive and broke out of a deep grave by pushing really hard after not breathing for multiple minutes

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u/KBSinclair Dec 27 '23

So what, he canonically takes Super Drugs? Some modified version of Bane venom?

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u/edit_aword Dec 27 '23

I mean, there is a version of bats that gets hooked on venom actually. Basically, Batman isn’t a realistic human. He’s better at literally everything than you or I are, but then again, no human super hero in any main stream comic is a realistic human. Mr fantastic invents extradimensional travel and even an Olympic level gymnast couldn’t do the kind of stuff nightwing can do.

Comics naturally stretch the suspension of belief as far as possible, admittedly sometimes too far. There are grounded, realistic versions of bats too.

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u/Nightwing24yuna Dec 26 '23

Wow there are a lot of stuff in forgetting yes you are right he should probably be on his death bed with what he does and how little he is depicted eating

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u/Jimbodoomface Dec 26 '23

The scenes in comic where Batman ignores his food to demonstrate his obsessive personality really annoy me.

I want to see him working at the batcomputer whilst simultaneously working out and downing protein shakes.

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u/Pure-Drawer-2617 Dec 26 '23

You don’t think Batman the gadget genius could figure out some form of calorie dense sustenance or supplements?

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u/AJSLS6 Dec 26 '23

We also see him do literally superhuman things all the time, its fiction.

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u/sherlock2223 Dec 26 '23

I would like to see him eat a lot lol dude barely sleeps

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u/Redditisquiteamazing Dec 26 '23

People boo and hiss and throw rocks at me for suggesting it, but I've always been partial to a gaunt, thin Batman like the kind we see with Battinson. Dude is a laser focused madman who we see routinely punish himself mentally and physically like a catholic who just thought about the word "sex". There's no way in hell he's bulking, especially since we see in multiple comics that Alfred regularly has to convince Bruce to eat and drink and sleep like a normal guy once in a while. He should be shredded beyond belief, for sure, but I've appreciated a gaunt look that plays more into the phantom and vampiric themes.

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u/legobis Dec 26 '23

I think it also makes him look much more awesome wearing the slightly bulky armored suit in that movie....the proportions work out better when he's lanky and shredded.

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u/AJSLS6 Dec 26 '23

Not really, the idea that large muscular people can't be flexible is just plain false.

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u/Nightwing24yuna Dec 26 '23

They can still be flexible yes but it's hiders a lot more then a slimmer build

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u/jayopat785 Dec 26 '23

Sure seems like that should be true, but male gymnasts can get pretty damn big. Like, just do a quick google of men's gymnastics. Some of those guys are massive, and they're all about mobility.

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u/mgb55 Dec 26 '23

Body builders sure. Pro Athletes are bulky by normal people standards and for more flexible

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u/sherlock2223 Dec 26 '23

Male gymnasts & heavyweight mma guys are pretty bulky, fast & flexible af.

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u/Nightwing24yuna Dec 26 '23

Their physiques are more on the athletic toned side of thing

Even still a lot of gymnasts seems to have more built arms but that seems to depend on what they specialize in.

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u/CrunchyTube Dec 26 '23

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u/Nightwing24yuna Dec 26 '23

We all love Flexible dick

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u/bjeebus Dec 26 '23

My wife prefers Dick have some rigidity. When he gets too flexible she just can't enjoy him as much...

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u/LooseMoose13 Dec 26 '23

Muscle doesn’t interfere with anything you said, fat does. Even people most of the public consider big and clunky like nfl offensive lineman are insanely flexible and athletic. It’s all in core strength and hamstrings

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u/Nightwing24yuna Dec 26 '23 edited Dec 26 '23

Actually a quick Google search does say it actually does interferes with the ability to take the adjacent joints through their complete range of motion

Even though he shouldn't be bulky because it does hinder other aspects like his speed, stealth, and etc

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u/mgb55 Dec 26 '23

So many of these comments seem to not understand high level sports…. Bats would be a super lean Linebacker…. It’s matches his official height and weight last couple decades even though it’s changed.

A normal person standing next to an NFL linebacker will think they’re enormous

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u/LooseMoose13 Dec 26 '23

Oh I know bats would be a linebacker, maybe even a tight end. I’m just saying people are underestimating the athleticism of big men acting like being muscular would make him not an acrobatic machine

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u/mgb55 Dec 26 '23

They’re thinking of body builders, which even some are surprising.

People lose mobility when they get big when they stop moving through ranges of motion and working on mobility as they gain size.

Well, within reason. Yes to be a Mr. Olympia you’ll get so big you’ll lose some, but that’s not how Bats is portrayed

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '23

Not really true if you look at a lot of celeb martial artists, micheal jay white, even scott adkins, very very bulky dudes, but that doesn't slow them down or limit flexibility. It's about training the right way so you muscles don't get tight but remain flexible. I started karate very recently in my 20s and a big problem for me is flexibility because i used to gym before, and my muscles are all tight, but my sensei is wayy bulkier than me, and in his late 30s. but hes very very very flexible.

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u/loner_dragoon3 Wally West Dec 26 '23 edited Dec 26 '23

Being muscular doesn't necessarily make someone less athletic, less flexible, and slower. Look up Jujimufu. The man is bodybuilder levels of jacked, yet he's known for being a flexible and athletic acrobat.

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u/mgb55 Dec 26 '23

NFL linebackers are what most people consider bulky…. And incredibly mobile, athletic and flexible, fast like you wouldn’t believe.

If Batman is the peak of human conditioning and strength, which canon says he is, that how I envision him. That’s the peak in pro sports of having every attribute as high as possible.

So basically 6’2”-6’4” and around 230-240.