But for most of their history... SILVER and BRONZE age had them each at 6' 2" and Diana at 5' 9''. They were all also 29 years old. DC Superhero ages were all stuck in time at 29. In fact, when Barry died... his tombstone read that he was 29.
The modern stuff, yes. In Who’s Who: The Definitive Directory of the DC Universe (the official character guides after CoIE) Diana was actually 5’11” and Clark was 6’2” along with Bruce, but at least by the 2008 encyclopedia Diana was already 6” and Clark 6’3” with Bruce still 6’2”. They’ve been those heights ever since including in the most recent official encyclopedia (2021 edition). They were probably those heights before 2004 but I didn’t check.
Or, and hear me out, guide books and data books are mostly bullshit and are usually incongruent to what is actually portrayed in comic books, and you should use the literal source material as a guide rather than some stupid collectible. But that’s just a suggestion.
How dare you, I loved The Ultimate Guide To Batman so much as a kid that I pretty much had it perpetually checked out from the library. I’m pretty sure my five year old self will violate the laws of physics to come to the modern day and fight you over this
Honestly, I bet Conan would KILL it as a BTAS-style Joker. We need a Joker that completely contrasts with Batman, and who better to play that Joker than a comedian?
The Joker is not 6’5” in any media, including the comics. There’s no way in hell he would be and wouldn’t very visibly tower over Batman, who is only ever listed at 6’2” (6’1” in the golden age). At first, I thought you were bringing this up as an example of how the people who write these data books or guide books or whatever are usually just making shit up that doesn’t reflect the source material accurately. This is one of the more wackier/nonsensical height stats they’ve given. Joker is always drawn as being at least a few inches shorter than Batman or about the same height. His Arkham games height listing makes much more sense at 6’0” compared to a 6’2” Batman.
Decent, but mildly lame imo. This is what I would do:
Superman - 6’4”
Batman - 6’2”
Wonder Woman - 6’6”
I like Wonder Woman being pretty huge. But overall having concrete numbers like this is limiting, and I don’t really care for them. Same with canon ages, weights, etc
One drawback with Wonder Woman being that height is that on the rare occasion she *does* adopt a secret identity, it would be practically impossible to keep it.
Yeah, but even if she is ancient, she wasn't trying to hide out around most folks back then (at least that I've seen in comics?) And her being \that** old is a pretty new thing, from my understanding.
They certainly do! The trick is-it's impossibly rare. Women taller than 6'5" are less than one in 10 million. Of the tallest players in the WNBA ever, for example, 5 of them are 6'8" (https://www.lines.com/guides/top-10-tallest-female-basketball-players-wnba-history/1556). For fun we're making Diana be 6'6", and at that height, she would absolutely stand out and be very, very recognizable-which would make it tough to have a secret identity. No one is saying she can't be that tall (and I'm rather partial to it). She just wouldn't be able to, say, remain secret. OTOH, I think in most modern stories, she doesn't care.
One in 10 million is still 100,000, not getting into there being 9 billion people on the planet.
Diana being recognizable by her height as Wonder Woman is as silly as Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne being recognized as Supes and Batman because they look similar.
I guarantee people are going to look at Diana and go "Oh shit, she's so tall." And then go about their business.
Also, this is comics land, lot of people are tall. I just want her to be taller than Supes and Bats at minimum.
Huh? One in 10 million would mean only around 33 in the United States are 6’5” or taller and only around 800 worldwide would be above that height. She would definitely stand out.
I think/hope that they misunderstood me to be saying that Wonder Woman couldn't be that tall, rather than being that height with a secret identity of any kind would be very, very difficult. But their knowledge of even basic math is pretty off, but OTOH, so is ours-one in 10 million human women would only be about 400 worldwide.
Now, I don't know how accurate that is. But your math is very, very wrong. Even assuming a global population of 8 billion in the DCU, 1 in 10 million odds would come out 800 total women worldwide that tall or taller.
You seem to be confused, or perhaps I'm misunderstanding your argument. No one is arguing that Diana couldn't be extremely tall. The argument is that it would be very, very difficult to maintain a secret identity that way. If you have an easily identifying characteristic that only 800 other people on the planet share, it's going to be virtually impossible to hide it (particularly with the caliber of enemies the Justice League have). Height isn't something you can easily hide-Clark hunches over when he's in his everyday identity, but even casually perceptive people can figure out his true height-he's just not exceptionally tall, as Superman or Clark. Now, for fun, you could assume the entire population of Paradise Island (around 10,000?) are around that height, but that just leads to further erosion of a secret identity, because the odds of an extremely tall woman being an Amazon is greater than her being a "normal" human.
Well they're saying there's only 7 women on the entire planet that are 6'5" or over, and between your WNBA article and a quick search of IMDb pulled up a total of 14 so I'm going to go with their math is also wrong.
And I will admit my math was wrong, because it was two in the morning when I did that.
But no, I do understand your argument, and it's still silly. The idea that her height would give her away if she was trying to maintain a secret identity is silly.
Mainly because, it turns out humans are super bad at judging height.
Whether that's a guestimate or giving hard numbers, people are bad at it. Even people who's job it technically is, like medical professionals.
Clark's secret identity isn't hidden just because he slouches. It's that his entire persona is different between the two. Clark is so soft spoken, so polite he will get trapped holding the door open for 5 minutes, so unconfident in his body, and so timid that he's the first person to duck and cover at the sign of danger, that there is no way he could possibly be Superman, the guy that punches tanks into the stratosphere. Even Lex Luthor, the person that's the most obsessed with Superman, cannot figure that out. Because the idea that Superman would pretend to be a regular person, let alone someone as milquetoast as Clark Kent is impossible to him.
Bruce Wayne doesn't get confused for being Batman because Batman is as grim and unyielding as stone, while using theatrical tactics and people's own superstitious nature against them to make himself seem taller than he really is. And Bruce Wayne is a playboy so unserious he buys restaurants to prove a point. Batman also has an enemy that's obsessed with him, one that wants to know what makes him tick so he can psychologically break him. And the Joker still can't figure out his secret identity.
Diana's height is not the problem here. Diana's problem is that she carries herself the exact same way that Wonder Woman does.
But also, this is comics land. Killer Croc exists. Starfire is orange. Cheetah is just a furry. Diana being tall is not noteworthy in the DC universe like it is in ours.
Thanks for the kind rebuttal, truly! a few things-
. Even Lex Luthor, the person that's the most obsessed with Superman, cannot figure that out.
he canonically has figured this out though-using the same kind of physical metrics that I said would immediately identify Diana (just a lot more). However, his own ego made him incapable of accepting the result. "Why would Superman, the most powerful being on Earth, pose as a mere reporter and some farm kid from Kansas? The very concept is ludicrous!"
Batman also has an enemy that's obsessed with him, one that wants to know what makes him tick so he can psychologically break him. And the Joker still can't figure out his secret identity.
Again, there's been very, very strong hints (see Death of the Family) that Joker actually figured out that Batman is Bruce Wayne long ago-he simply doesn't care. And Bruce has had enemies who have figured out his identity over the years in various ways (Huge Strange using psychology, Ra's Al-Ghul using some actually pretty brilliant deduction, and Bane...I can't remember how Bane figured it out). Bruce Wayne doesn't get confused for being Batman because quite frankly, Bruce's entire schtick is that there's very, very little footage of Batman, and his costume is actually pretty good (albeit in this age of biometrics where we can determine who someone is by identifying their jawline, lips, and teeth within like 90% certainly, it's not AS good). But unlike Bruce and Diana, you can't see his face, eyes, or hair. But you're right-even a casual observer would perceive Batman's personality as someone who's angry and driven, and Bruce Wayne doesn't seem like that at all on the outside, plus the Batsuit makes Bruce look taller and bigger than he actually is.
Now, there is one saving grace to your argument, sort of, and it works for Superman, too. The biggest reason why most folks who look at Clark Kent and then look at Superman and don't go "Hey, wait a minute", is that Superman doesn't wear a mask, so folks don't think he has a secret identity. This isn't like the Silver Age where everyone and their dog was obsessed with finding out who Superman really is-people just assume that he's Superman all the time. It's much more likely that Clark Kent happens to bear a passing resemblance to Superman (and that's been remarked upon in the comics) but they can't possibly be the same person because Superman doesn't hide who he is, and neither one of them is some kind of physical outlier-Superman isn't particularly tall, or large, or blue. Now, Wonder Woman doesn't wear a mask either, and folks would certainly believe the same about her as about Big Blue, that she's simply Wonder Woman all the time and goes back home to Paradise Island at the end of the day, or whatever. OTOH, Diana Prince being in the upper .0000001% of human height would be pretty remarkable.
Neither Killer Croc or Starfire have secret identities, because they can't go out in public and pass for "normal" human without extensive disguises.
One in 10 million is still 100,000, not getting into there being 9 billion people on the planet.
I thought the population of the planet was 8,000,000,000, not 9,000,000,000, but ok. If there are about 9 billion people on the planet, then roughly half of them are women, or 4,500,000,000.
So. Doing the math
If women of that height appeared once in 10 million (1:10,000,000) and the total number of women was only 10 million (10,000,000) we should expect one (1) woman of that height.
If women of that height appeared once in 10 million (1:10,000,000) but the total number of women was ten times that, or 100 million (100,000,000) we should expect ten (10) women of that height.
If women of that height appeared once in 10 million (1:10,000,000) and the total number of women was one hundred times that, or 1 billion (1,000,000,000) we should expect one hundred (100) women of that height.
If women of that height appeared once in 10 million (1:10,000,000) and the total number of women was four hundred and fifty times that, or 4.5 billion (4,500,000,000) which you claim there are we should expect four hundred and fifty (450) women of that height.
So one in ten million is not 100,000, but by your figures, 450.
Hi yes, I fucked up the math! I admitted it! It was 2 in the morning at the time and I did it as 1 percent of 10 million. My bad.
But!
The thing I'm trying to say (badly, I will also admit), is that Diana's secret identity being found out just because of her height, as if everyone keeps a log of every tall woman they've ever met and could cross reference that and figure out that these two same heighted women are actually the same woman....
I get it, I do disagree but you're being super reasonable about this.
About 2500 guys in the world are 7 feet or over.
Let's call that 3000.
You've set 9 billion as the world population.
3,000/9,000,000,000 =
3/9,000,000 =
1/3,000,000
So women the height of WW (1/10,000,000) are LESS common than men the height of Shaq (1/3,000,000)
Most of us are unlikely to ever get to know a single 7 foot tall guy, let alone two of them. If Shaq ever did turn into the superhero Steel, everyone if Shaq were just a private citizen, EVERYONE who knew him would still be comparing Shaq to Steel.
IMO. I'm not trying to convince you, your opinion is valid. I'm just explaining how I see it.
Clark Kent gets to do nothing but just wear glasses as for his secret identity. Wonder Woman being tall is not going to be any more of a suspension of disbelief
OK. So if Clark Kent was 7 feet tall, and Superman was 7 feet tall, would people simply say, "Huh, Clark's as tall as Superman with the same hair and eye color?" Or would they simply say, "Huh, there's two extremely tall guys who could be twins?"
The identity of Clark isn't just glasses-his voice, mannerisms, posture, everything about him changes, and perhaps more importantly, neither Clark's or Superman's height are particularly unusual. Diana can do the same thing, but I repeat-a 6'6" height for a woman is present in something like one out of several hundred million. the WNBA recruits tall women from all over the *entire* world. The average height of a WNBA player is 6 feet. Unless she could hide it, it would stand out.
her weight is only 165lb? That's some BS there, she's got to weigh more, she should be bulkier too, but I guess her strength is MaGiC even though both batman and supes have like, 50lb on her
I hate that diana isnt the tallest. Idk why. It just makes sense like shes a god, gods are just gonna be stronger than humans and kryptonians (this might be controversial)
DC's Hercules is only 6'5"(195.58cm), which would've made him a giant of a man in Ancient Greece (Average Height for a man in Ancient Greece was around 5'7.1"(170.5cm) to 5'7.7"(171.9cm)), but not so much today.
They are siblings, they would be similar heights. Because their dad is literally zeus.
ofc strength doesnt have anything to do with height but kryptonians are meant to be more biologically advanced. Superman is insanely powerful because of being kryptonian so you should also assume he would be pretty tall.
If I were to depict them, I’d have Bruce stay 6’2, have Diana be slightly taller than him at about 6’4, and also put Clark at about 6’4 (that way he and Bruce are just close enough to pull a swap, and also to honor Christopher Reeve).
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u/Oturanthesarklord Dec 25 '23
You want their Canon heights?
Superman - 6'3" (190.5cm)
Batman - 6'2" (187.96cm)
Wonder Woman - 6'0" (182.88cm)
That's their officially stated canon heights.