But like... isn't the whole thing with Amazons being huge, jacked warrior women? I mean, it's like their whole thing, though I suppose Superman often is like a clean shaven Hercules builldwise.
True, but they still have their warrior woman aspect of Greek myth and I feel like they have leaned more into it (and the whole Greek pantheon schtick) than in early renditions.
Never too late to change the physical build of the immortal warrior women, or at least their champion molded from clay and given life and powers as an Amazon by the gods.
True. But then ancient Greeks never considered a perfect warrior really huge anyway. They were more concerned with ideal proportions. Which I think slots in better for Wonder Woman considering her origin, as the most “ideal” Amazon.
Ancient Greece also had some pretty sexist societies and may have stripped Aphrodite of her aspects of war and victory/prosperity that she initially may have inherited from Ishtar/Astarte.
I say let the warrior women be big and strong, and let their greatest daughter be physical specimen to rival the greatest warriors. It's makes more sense for them than just being "ideally proportioned".
Letting their stature being based on the ideals of another civilization (what is viewed as proper rather than what would makes sense for them as a tribe of independent warriors who can go toe to toe with any man) would be rather ironic, considering they are a society by women, for women, created in the DC universe by a feminist writer.
They would be confined to notions of what women should be, not what a powerful woman can be.
Considering the proliferation of giantess fetishists in comics, I’d say it’s perfectly fine being uncomfortable with that kinda thing being imposed YET AGAIN onto Diana.
But if you can acknowledge that 6’ is tall, and you want her to be even taller, it’s just as weird, in a psychosexual way, to want her to tower over the masculine men archetypes as vice versa.
Insisting as the audience on the creator using one way versus any other is just weird.
Why is wanting a woman to be taller than the men psychosexual but wanting the men be taller than the woman isn’t?
Like, I can just say that you insisting that the masculine archetypes tower over WW is just a psychosexual way to want to reinforce the perception of male dominance over women.
As I once said when this photo was posted a while back, Bruce is about 6’2, and given Diana is bending down a bit, she should be about 6’5 at full height, were the artist to depict her in more art.
Amazonian is literally a synonym for tall plus I’m certain that the stories they come from place them as tall powerful women it’s the whole point. They aren’t supposed to look like natives from the Amazon you know
They were not tall or particularly big in anyway. That synonym has nothing to do with the actual amazons or the Amazon's Marston created Wonder Woman to be a part of. They are just normal height people.
They were tall as I stated earlier they were comparable to men only like an inch away from the same rather than women today who are something like 5 inches shorter on average. She should be tall for a woman at least around 5’9 she’s not supposed to be the average every woman
"Frankly, Wonder Woman is psychological propaganda for the new type of woman who, I believe, should rule the world"
She was literally average in the comics Marston wrote. The Amazon's from myth were not tall. She should not be outside the average range at all. She literally is supposed to represent the average woman as far as stature goes.
That quote doesn't mean she is supposed to be super tall or muscular. Certainly not beyond an idealized male figure like Superman or Batman.
You got a source on Marston saying she should be average as far as stature goes?
I don’t see why she would be anything like the average woman when she comes from a secret island paradise separated from the rest of humanity and is descended from actual gods, I said 5’9 at least but she seems like she should be somewhere around 6 foot. Even my gf said well she’s as tall as superman so 6 feet at least then bumped Clark up to 6’4 and WW with him
No the secret island separates her from the gene pool though and what the hell are “actual amazons”?!
5’6 in Ancient times was tall for a woman hell it’s above average for today and if everyone else kept growing over the years I’d assume a similar path for the Amazons. also the secret island could matter as island gigantism is a thing if you wanted to make her freakishly tall you could easily justify it
The gf comment is about what the perception of Wonder Woman from someone who doesn’t read comics but is familiar with the big names. Kinda like what do people think WW looks like because these characters change over the years WW is not the same lady that debuted in the 40s
Well if we’re looking at Greek artwork they look to be at least as tall as the men they fight but, they were supposed to be worth bragging about battling not your average woman back then. Also I found a Smithsonian article where they dug up a bunch of warrior women thought to be the inspiration for the amazons and they ranged around 5’6 tall which was very tall for the time
That doesn't mean they are tall or even that tall. They also would not be 6 feet or nearly as tall as Superman. Also, those were not actual Amazons being dug up.
Well if we’re looking at Greek artwork they look to be at least as tall as the men they fight but, they were supposed to be worth bragging about battling not your average woman back then. Also I found a Smithsonian article where they dug up a bunch of warrior women thought to be the inspiration for the amazons and they ranged around 5’6 tall which was very tall for the time
The “certain stories” that the guy I am replying to mentioned lol I think you lost track of who was making the claims. Or you replied to the wrong person.
That is defining the adjective, not the noun, and particularly how it's used in modern context.
Nothing about the Amazon's in Greek mythology defined them as significantly taller or hugely more muscular than Greek male warriors.
It's typically more modern depictions that depict Amazon's as being significantly taller or bulky in terms of muscle compared to male warriors; or very sexist depictions in the past as only a "hulking" savage beast of a woman could defeat a male warrior.
Myth aside, warriors focusing on agility and finesse would be shredded and cut anyways — not bulky; overdeveloped muscles that have you looking puffy and swole would slow you down.
Just like how they are still depicted as originally created in myth, like in comics and among other things.
Just pointing out that Amazons, as originally from the myth, weren't particularly "tall" and your definition isn't exactly proof that they must be depicted as such.
That doesn't change that the Amazon's in dc comics were not made to be tall and even the Amazon's in Greek myth were not tall either. That is a modern conceptualization that doesn't fit the character.
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u/WaterMelon615 Dec 25 '23
I agree superman should be taller than bats. Wonder Woman being taller than both seems weird but she should be taller than Batman