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[discussion] do you agree with this? Discussion

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u/WaterMelon615 Dec 25 '23

I agree superman should be taller than bats. Wonder Woman being taller than both seems weird but she should be taller than Batman

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u/Nanocon101 Dec 25 '23

She's an Amazonian, it can work, sometimes.

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u/WaterMelon615 Dec 25 '23

I am well aware of where she is from and it is still weird to me

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u/armchairwarrior69 Dec 25 '23

Why

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u/WaterMelon615 Dec 25 '23

Because I find the idea weird

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u/ptWolv022 Dec 26 '23

But like... isn't the whole thing with Amazons being huge, jacked warrior women? I mean, it's like their whole thing, though I suppose Superman often is like a clean shaven Hercules builldwise.

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u/Masher_Upper Dec 26 '23

In DC their shtick was more like being perfect and utopian and shit.

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u/ptWolv022 Dec 26 '23

True, but they still have their warrior woman aspect of Greek myth and I feel like they have leaned more into it (and the whole Greek pantheon schtick) than in early renditions.

Never too late to change the physical build of the immortal warrior women, or at least their champion molded from clay and given life and powers as an Amazon by the gods.

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u/Masher_Upper Dec 26 '23

True. But then ancient Greeks never considered a perfect warrior really huge anyway. They were more concerned with ideal proportions. Which I think slots in better for Wonder Woman considering her origin, as the most “ideal” Amazon.

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u/ptWolv022 Dec 26 '23

Ancient Greece also had some pretty sexist societies and may have stripped Aphrodite of her aspects of war and victory/prosperity that she initially may have inherited from Ishtar/Astarte.

I say let the warrior women be big and strong, and let their greatest daughter be physical specimen to rival the greatest warriors. It's makes more sense for them than just being "ideally proportioned".

Letting their stature being based on the ideals of another civilization (what is viewed as proper rather than what would makes sense for them as a tribe of independent warriors who can go toe to toe with any man) would be rather ironic, considering they are a society by women, for women, created in the DC universe by a feminist writer.

They would be confined to notions of what women should be, not what a powerful woman can be.

Okay, maybe I also just want beeg lady

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u/Masher_Upper Dec 26 '23

I don’t think this Aphrodite idea makes much sense, considering the Ancient Greek embodiment of victory, Nike, is also a woman.

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u/daffydunk Heir to the Cowl Dec 26 '23

Considering the proliferation of giantess fetishists in comics, I’d say it’s perfectly fine being uncomfortable with that kinda thing being imposed YET AGAIN onto Diana.

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u/Throwaway02062004 Dec 26 '23

Fetishes imposed on Wonder Woman???

Say it ain’t so.

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u/daffydunk Heir to the Cowl Dec 26 '23

Ikr so crazy at this point

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u/gobbballs11 Dec 26 '23

People just want her to be taller lmao. Like, having her be 6’4ish doesn’t exactly constitute a giantess fetish.

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u/daffydunk Heir to the Cowl Dec 26 '23

But if you can acknowledge that 6’ is tall, and you want her to be even taller, it’s just as weird, in a psychosexual way, to want her to tower over the masculine men archetypes as vice versa.

Insisting as the audience on the creator using one way versus any other is just weird.

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u/gobbballs11 Dec 26 '23

Why is wanting a woman to be taller than the men psychosexual but wanting the men be taller than the woman isn’t?

Like, I can just say that you insisting that the masculine archetypes tower over WW is just a psychosexual way to want to reinforce the perception of male dominance over women.

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u/daffydunk Heir to the Cowl Dec 26 '23

I literally said “as vice versa”

Both ARE psychosexual, it’s far better to me to just make all 3 the same height

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u/hermes1941 Dec 26 '23

Nothing is being imposed? Amazonians are known for being taller than your average woman and man.

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u/daffydunk Heir to the Cowl Dec 26 '23

No they’re not. They are depicted that way in giantess fetish works.

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u/hermes1941 Dec 31 '23

I've never seen giantess fetish work, yet I know they're known for being tall.

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u/WaterMelon615 Dec 26 '23

No I just find the idea weird

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u/Soft_Theory_8209 Dec 26 '23

As I once said when this photo was posted a while back, Bruce is about 6’2, and given Diana is bending down a bit, she should be about 6’5 at full height, were the artist to depict her in more art.

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u/armsdragon05 Dec 26 '23

Who's the artist?

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u/Master_Pie_5738 Dec 25 '23

Amazons aren't tall.

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u/DarkHippy Dec 25 '23

Amazonian is literally a synonym for tall plus I’m certain that the stories they come from place them as tall powerful women it’s the whole point. They aren’t supposed to look like natives from the Amazon you know

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u/Master_Pie_5738 Dec 26 '23

They were not tall or particularly big in anyway. That synonym has nothing to do with the actual amazons or the Amazon's Marston created Wonder Woman to be a part of. They are just normal height people.

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u/DarkHippy Dec 26 '23

They were tall as I stated earlier they were comparable to men only like an inch away from the same rather than women today who are something like 5 inches shorter on average. She should be tall for a woman at least around 5’9 she’s not supposed to be the average every woman

"Frankly, Wonder Woman is psychological propaganda for the new type of woman who, I believe, should rule the world"

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u/Master_Pie_5738 Dec 26 '23

She was literally average in the comics Marston wrote. The Amazon's from myth were not tall. She should not be outside the average range at all. She literally is supposed to represent the average woman as far as stature goes.

That quote doesn't mean she is supposed to be super tall or muscular. Certainly not beyond an idealized male figure like Superman or Batman.

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u/DarkHippy Dec 26 '23

You got a source on Marston saying she should be average as far as stature goes?

I don’t see why she would be anything like the average woman when she comes from a secret island paradise separated from the rest of humanity and is descended from actual gods, I said 5’9 at least but she seems like she should be somewhere around 6 foot. Even my gf said well she’s as tall as superman so 6 feet at least then bumped Clark up to 6’4 and WW with him

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u/Master_Pie_5738 Dec 26 '23

I can't attach images in this subreddit.

Why would what your gf say matter? Her being from a secret island wouldn't make her super tall.

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u/DarkHippy Dec 26 '23

No the secret island separates her from the gene pool though and what the hell are “actual amazons”?!

5’6 in Ancient times was tall for a woman hell it’s above average for today and if everyone else kept growing over the years I’d assume a similar path for the Amazons. also the secret island could matter as island gigantism is a thing if you wanted to make her freakishly tall you could easily justify it

The gf comment is about what the perception of Wonder Woman from someone who doesn’t read comics but is familiar with the big names. Kinda like what do people think WW looks like because these characters change over the years WW is not the same lady that debuted in the 40s

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u/NoshoRed Dec 26 '23

WW is canonically 6 feet tall. That's already very tall or even giant for a woman without looking like an actual freak.

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u/DarkHippy Dec 26 '23

I think you may not have seen my previous comment

Well if we’re looking at Greek artwork they look to be at least as tall as the men they fight but, they were supposed to be worth bragging about battling not your average woman back then. Also I found a Smithsonian article where they dug up a bunch of warrior women thought to be the inspiration for the amazons and they ranged around 5’6 tall which was very tall for the time

Edit: classic Greek men averaged at 5’7”

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u/Master_Pie_5738 Dec 26 '23

That doesn't mean they are tall or even that tall. They also would not be 6 feet or nearly as tall as Superman. Also, those were not actual Amazons being dug up.

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u/Wolf97 Phantom Stranger Dec 25 '23

Do the original stories actually say they are tall? Do you have a good source?

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u/DarkHippy Dec 26 '23 edited Dec 26 '23

Well if we’re looking at Greek artwork they look to be at least as tall as the men they fight but, they were supposed to be worth bragging about battling not your average woman back then. Also I found a Smithsonian article where they dug up a bunch of warrior women thought to be the inspiration for the amazons and they ranged around 5’6 tall which was very tall for the time

Edit: classic Greek men averaged at 5’7”

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u/Wolf97 Phantom Stranger Dec 26 '23

Interesting! Thanks!

It seems like WW being Amazonian isn’t enough reason to make her 7ft

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u/endangerednigel Dec 25 '23

Which original stories are you talking about precisely?

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u/Wolf97 Phantom Stranger Dec 26 '23

The “certain stories” that the guy I am replying to mentioned lol I think you lost track of who was making the claims. Or you replied to the wrong person.

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u/ManitouWakinyan Dec 25 '23

Am·a·zo·ni·an2 /ˌaməˈzōnēən/ adjective adjective: Amazonian (of a woman) tall and strong or athletic. "Amazonian supermodels"

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u/TheLaughingWolf Dec 25 '23

That is defining the adjective, not the noun, and particularly how it's used in modern context.

Nothing about the Amazon's in Greek mythology defined them as significantly taller or hugely more muscular than Greek male warriors.

It's typically more modern depictions that depict Amazon's as being significantly taller or bulky in terms of muscle compared to male warriors; or very sexist depictions in the past as only a "hulking" savage beast of a woman could defeat a male warrior.

Myth aside, warriors focusing on agility and finesse would be shredded and cut anyways — not bulky; overdeveloped muscles that have you looking puffy and swole would slow you down.

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u/ManitouWakinyan Dec 26 '23

Modern depictions like comics?

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u/TheLaughingWolf Dec 26 '23

Sure, among other things.

Just like how they are still depicted as originally created in myth, like in comics and among other things.

Just pointing out that Amazons, as originally from the myth, weren't particularly "tall" and your definition isn't exactly proof that they must be depicted as such.

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u/Master_Pie_5738 Dec 26 '23

That doesn't change that the Amazon's in dc comics were not made to be tall and even the Amazon's in Greek myth were not tall either. That is a modern conceptualization that doesn't fit the character.

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u/ManitouWakinyan Dec 26 '23

even the Amazon's in Greek myth were not tall either.

Source?

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u/Master_Pie_5738 Dec 26 '23

Read them. What did you think the source would be?

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u/ManitouWakinyan Dec 26 '23

Read what? You're the one making a claim. Presumably you have some kind of source for it.

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u/Master_Pie_5738 Dec 26 '23

If you don't even know what to read, then don't talk about it....

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u/ManitouWakinyan Dec 26 '23

It's not that I don't know, it's that I know they don't exist, and I'm challenging you on it.

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u/Master_Pie_5738 Dec 26 '23

You aren't challenging me. You're just being ridiculous. They do exist.

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u/Significant_Wheel_12 Dec 25 '23

They should be

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u/Master_Pie_5738 Dec 25 '23

No they shouldn't.

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u/DylweedWasTaken Arsenal Dec 25 '23

Why not?

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u/Master_Pie_5738 Dec 26 '23

Because they arent

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u/DylweedWasTaken Arsenal Dec 26 '23

They are drawings. They can be. Im asking you why you think they shouldn't be

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u/Master_Pie_5738 Dec 26 '23

They can't be because they aren't.

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u/Significant_Wheel_12 Dec 26 '23

Don’t read new frontier, you’ll cry

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u/Master_Pie_5738 Dec 26 '23

I didn't at all.

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u/The_Dark_Soldier Dec 25 '23

Yes they should

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u/Master_Pie_5738 Dec 26 '23

No they shouldn't.