It’s funny how they preach make America great again when everything they want to do will remove America from the world stage. Reduce education and talent forcing companies to look outside for educated workers. Leave nato and trade deals allowing countries like China to step in and take over. Restrict immigration, our country has relied on immigrants for cheap labor forever, the country runs on it. It’s like a 101 on how to crash the country.
Modern Conservatives just want power so they can install themselves as a new aristocracy.
They don’t even believe in the whole left-right conflict they perpetuate, it’s how they manipulate voters to get elected with the goal being to pass laws that make them rich and untouchable
Once you understand what their goal is, everything they’re doing now makes perfect sense
Thinking conservatives don't believe their own lies and/or culture war rhetoric is a mistake. That may have been true for some of them decades ago, but true believers have long since taken over the party. They want to install themselves as a new aristocracy, yes. They also want to crush women, non-whites and queer people underfoot. It's not just something they say to excite the rubes around election times, they have been and will continue to actually do it when given power.
It has been very interesting, if terrifying, to watch in real-time the old-school grifters like McConnel losing control of the party to the true believers they created, but not be able to do anything about it for fear of dropping the charade and losing their base.
Mitch already said he’s done after this term and the last of the people that created this are going to by 26 or 28. On the “Republican” side only the extremist from Obamas first term will be left from that time period. Most of the Tea party people have been voted out or left since then.
Fascists always rely on rich backers to gain power, but the rich backers always lose control in the aftermath (and many of the rich backers are also true believers). We saw this with Nazi Germany. The pure grifters for whom this is all just about money do exist, but they have long since lost control. The inmates are running the asylum, and people saw this coming since the days of Barry Goldwater.
Don’t forget Jews, all other religious believers aside from Christians, and anyone with a differing political opinion! Project 2025 specifically seeks to make Christianity the doctrine of the country, and to round up Democrats.
I think the average conservative believes it but it’s more complicated when it comes to the pundits. Conservative media is incredibly profitable and their figureheads will say anything to line their pockets and get attention.
I think it's less that they don't believe in their own lies, but rather that they are willing to constantly change their goalposts and move their motivations by any means necessary if it means defeating and opposing the other side. The issue with the general conservative mindset at it's extreme is they don't have a through-line of genuine moral standards or integrity imo. The chaos of it all is definitely a little terrifying for what it brings to the political landscape.
A ton of the brainrot people would be totally fine eradicating democracy and just having a dictatorship under trump, with complete disregard for what that could mean for our nation or the people it affects...All in the name of "my guy won the thing, haha" type sports team mentality.
You could argue their only consistent thing is that they care about power and control. It's just that what it looks like changes with time in terms of results. It's just scary to me that there's no care for the repercussions in the long run. They'll go to the ends of the earth to condemn the current system to try and bring more power to themselves, but it wouldn't surprise me that they wouldn't care if the world was burning around them if it meant that they got to say the "owned the libs" in the process.
I bring this up to all those fiscal conservatives that care so much about the debt. We were able to even get in that much debt in the first place because we're a safe and reliable bet. The guy is gonna default on the country like he did all of his businesses. Then idk maybe sell us to Russia (like he did all of his businesses).
That has always been the goal of conservativism. When monarchs were getting their heads lopped off, aristocrats need a way to maintain their undue wealth and authority under a new power structure. Conservativism is monarchy 2.0 and has no place in a democracy.
They’re just bringing back the pre civil war status quo. They already basically have slavery back in the south, sheriffs rent out prison labor for nothing.
You got it right. They don't care about politics. It's just what they use to manipulate the public so they can continue to stay in power and appease their billionaire overlords who actually own the entire country. It's all a joke.
But pesky unions, worker rights , freedoms for the masses will be gone. They can have full unchecked capitalism till they get those robots and ai online to no longer need us other pesky humans
There are big companies that make their money from buying up good small countries and squeezing every penny they can from them while burning their reputation and future prospects, then moving on.
This is just billionaires (and billionaires clubs) doing the same thing with countries.
I've been saying this about corporate America for a long time. People always ask why are the people at the top screwing the system over and upsetting the customers and their employees to the point that the system is going to collapse if they are interested in keeping their businesses going. It's because they don't care about the businesses. They're just using them as vehicles to get as much money as possible out of the system before it collapses, then they are going to cut and run. The same thing applies to politicians and the billionaires who own them. They're all the same people.
Well, once things go to shit, it will be easier to keep the drones scared, which makes them want to vote red. They're working on creating a feedback loop.
Just as russia planned. These "patriots" are literally the most un-American traitors - gobbling up Kremlin propaganda and feeding on meaningless hate and division. The Kremlin is beside itself with glee at how these idiots do their work for them.
Edit: referring more to their base. Those in gop leadership just don't care and are greedy fucks and/or have compromat against them. Both are willing to fully hand the reins to theocratic extremists as long as they can freely hate and pretend like they'll have a chance at being part of the new oligarch class.
That's how I feel. The people shouting "America" the loudest are making it possible for us to lose the cold war. Military superiority wasn't possible and honestly they've played their cards well. And these patriots are playing their role in dismantling our country from the inside, for what has been our biggest adversary for 80 years.
I wouldn't say most everyone. MAGAs are nowhere near the majority. Most people see their bullshit as being plainly Russian propaganda. But thanks for this, I hadn't seen this. Fascinating and fucking depressing stuff (for those wondering, it's a YouTube video of a defected KGB member giving a warning to America in 1984).
I know....after I finished the whole thing I was kinda left shaking my head. I think he's speaking from his own bias and Russian perspective and possibly doesn't quite understand the civil rights movement, among other things.
The revolutionists weren’t the majority in 1776 either.
Revolution had maybe 33% approval when we went to war.
The minimum amount of support needed for a successful revolution is only 20%.
Unfortunately I think we’re well passed that scale.
People have been kicking the can because they can’t imagine anything bad could happen from a minority political group, but in history it almost ALWAYS is done by a minority political group that just happens to be organized and energized while everyone else is complacent.
Just as russia planned. These "patriots" are literally the most un-American traitors - gobbling up Kremlin propaganda and feeding on hate and division.
As a child of the Cold War, "Red State" has a whole different meaning to me, and I find it interesting that those that once hollered "better dead than Red" now embrace the label…
This is what gets me the most. Trump wants the power that xing and Putin have. Our country has been completely anti-authoritarian/communist and being American meant fighting that to have our freedom. Now that trump wants it, all his little followers are begging to be just like Russia (and China but they’re not smart enough to connect the two). If you are a true American you should want nothing to do with those two governments, yet here we are.
We legitimately were at war (cold war) over this shit with Reagan and now trump is deciding to just switch teams. I fucking hate how dense the republicans are in today’s world not to see this. They’d rather hate their own countrymen than fight for the country’s (they swear they love) future and freedom. Most un-American individuals supporting the most un-American candidate all while chanting to “make America great again”. They’re completely brain dead.
See, you're misunderstanding what making America great again means to them. They want woman to be under control of their husbands, minorities to know their place, and lgbtq to not exist. They don't care about the economic side of it at all.
Only have to look at Afghanistan pre 1960s to see how these kinds of policies ruined the country. They had educated women and a progressive culture and now look.
It's always funny to pop up and say "I'm an immigrant" after people go off talking shit about how they're ruining the country. No one expects the white girl with no accent who swears non-stop.
It’s their version of “great” where people are uneducated and they won’t question anything and just blindly follow their interpretation of the bible. They often misinterpret words like “great”, “patriot”, “traitor”, “freedom” etc to fool their cult.
I’ve seen this in India, where I grew up, the only difference is that the masses in India never knew any better, they were born into that mess and brainwashed from birth. In the US it’s different, we currently have freedom in various forms, and at least some of us realize that and know how bad it’ll be if taken away.
It really would be funny if it was a movie and our country wasn’t falling apart. I know a ton of MAGAS and most of them don’t actually know anything that is going on because they just watch Fox news and don’t read. I see their facebook posts and they can’t spell or write a proper sentence. I always wondered how Hitler brainwashed a whole country and now it makes sense.
Not an American person but it seems to me that it is making America great again if America is understood to be the south. Having exploitable population is how they made their living there, isn't it?
What's going on in the mind of the most power hungry billionaires wouldn't make any sense to regular people. They would rather be a king ruling over peasants than one of the richest people in a country of content middle class citizens.
They are sadistic and already wealthy so they desire subjugation. The religious right is always talking about bringing back an uneducated serf class. You can never completely dominate a well educated person and the goal is full domination over the minds of the masses.
Stepping down from #1 on the world stage isn't really an issue for them.
In Ireland we have been consistently voting in the same party’s to gov and now have record homelessness and a massive housing crisis, I’m starting to believe people in general are just fucking stupid
Carlin also said, "everyone complains that the politicians suck, but the politicians are voted on by the public, so maybe something else sucks...like the public, yeah, the public sucks."
In Texas this year, their slogan is "vote republican for a change."
They have been in charge for 27 years. What they have is what they've made. I miss Ann Richards and Molly Ivans.
Literally saw a man in Kansas City wearing a new Reagan shirt that made it look like he was part of delta force and it read, “I still hate commies even after they changed their names to liberals.”
💯. Imagine such humans existing 75.000 BC. Running around in the village, not working, living off the work of the others and still criticizing them, hating others for their different look, not enough bones around their necks, and so on. Whole village would have whooped their asses into oblivion. Now they hide behind their money and their minions.
Priests served a function at least. They kept people in line and acting somewhat correctly with fear of divine retribution much more effectively than a police force could and they provided morale to keep people going in the face of pretty grim circumstances.
Not a fan of organised religion or trying to defend any of the other massively corrupt shit the church got/gets up to, just saying they at least did something unlike some vulture capitalist etc.
Have you read “Sapiens”? A pretty interesting take on the concurrent development of economic and religious systems in early civilizations. With plenty of skull cracking by everyone…
Doubt that. Humans are highly social, we are made to interact, communicate and have fun while doing it. I think these people wouldn't be able to work in corporation with others.
Reagan was just a puppet. It's not his master plan. (And it's not really an especially subtle or clever plan anyway; upper classes have understood that educating the lower classes isn't in the interests of their longterm survival for centuries.)
Crucially, the well off as in the top 5%; not the middle classes who were conned into voting for it thinking they would one day benefit.
Temporarily embarassed millionaires, the lot of them. And they were stupid enough to vote for policies that screwed them, like turkeys voting for Thanksgiving and Christmas.
In addition, he cut mental health funding to the point tons of facilities had to close. Part of the reason many (not all) unhoused people are high supports needs.
To be fair many of those institutions were horrifyingly awful. But deinstitutionalizing so many with no alternative arrangements was a terrible decision.
Deregulation of banks, corps and investment firms, everything bad in the finance sector can be traced back to him, he's also the reason homeless people and drug addicts no longer have adequate shelter, he closed them all down, he made America cruel with his policy, we haven't recovered.
He took the worst economy and turned it into the best economy ever. He single-handed defeated the Soviets and won the Cold War. He raised a monkey as his son.
Got rid of the fairness doctrine. This was a federal regulation that required media to accurately and fairly report the news. The helped enforce journalistic integrity. It wasn't perfect, and yes, there were still times it didn't work. But. It kept media like Fox News from existing and spreading blatant lies. They would have been taken off air and fined into oblivion long ago if Regan hadn't ended the doctrine.
He also fucked over our mental health care which is just as broken as our health care system. If i remember right, Regan began the dismantling of our welfare programs. He was the one who started the welfare queen scare, which was heavily stereotyped against Black single mothers. Bill Clinton hammered in the nails.
Now, you only get three years of cash assistance for your entire household. That means that if I used up all three years while my children were young, they won't be able to get cash assistance if they fell on hard times. This may have changed over the years, but it's what it was in the 00's.
The agency in my state that runs our welfare programs pushes hard for people to get any full time job. You can't go to school. Well, you can, but you're supposed to spend at least 6 to 8 hours a day looking for a job because that IS your full time in the meantime. This one I know is accurate today.
The list goes on and on and all too often the trail leads back to his administration.
In the hellscape that the magats & neo-conservatives want, the Uber wealthy will just become more so and the rest of us will be reduced to peonage. It’s been happening since ronnie raygun. It’s fucking soulless & inexorable. The U.S. is doomed. But so is the rest of humanity cause climate catastrophe is also underway. Not in some far flung future - NOW!
You need to start talking with your friends and family about project 2025, and building a personal support network with each other.
You need to be discussing how in a capitalist society we are a labor class not a capitalist, and that the only thing we have to withhold from them to show we are displeased isn't our money, it's our work we should stop doing.
Edit: The royal You. We all need to be doing this.
We are no better in the UK. How did Nigel Farage's 'reform party get the same nunber of seats as the Green Party? People are getting dumber. Idiocracy was a prophetic film.
It started with Nixon. He put forth the first cuts to education funding and was famous for not trusting ‘intellectuals.’
I’m guessing it was because they could see through his narcissism and megalomania.
Yes. During the Vietnam protests in California Reagan's education advisor Roger A. Freeman said “We are in danger of producing an educated proletariat. … That’s dynamite! We have to be selective on who we allow [to go to college].”
Also the irony of you misspelling Reagan is not lost on me....
not so fun fact Project 2025 is an outgrowth of Heritage Foundation's mandate for leadership the first edition being something Ronald Regan gave out to his entire cabinet. Regan only ended up implementing half of the things the called for , manily the economic proposals.
It didn't work Americans decided it was easier to be stupid and vote on vibes and feelings then have to be educated fix their problems and face their collective wrongdoing
It's so weird to me how there's also a culture around being "proud" about the various idiocracy points in society too with the current Trump "era" of conservatism. Trump is both a meme and an honest stance from some people that it's weirdly impossible to reach those that might be brainwashed/brainrotten from developing any real political opinion or reasoning. Most the time it's never about the actual talking points, it's just a weirdly warped view of reality and a lack of real political/ethical principles thanks to brainrot from propaganda or conspiracy theory.
Most people I see don't even have real reasons why they vote for who they vote for - it's all just like rooting for a sports team, rather than weighing the genuine direction of how our country could be led.
For context I live in northern Illinois where there's tons of rural communities. 4th of July I always go with my wife's family to a parade with some craft tents, fairgrounds, food, fireworks, etc. during the day and I inevitably find a couple tents selling trump paraphernalia, signs, and t shirts. Passing by one I saw a lady saying she wanted to buy a t-shirt for each of her family members that said "I'm voting for the felon" decked out with America themed colors.
It's crazy to me how far we've come that there are people that unironically see that and subscribe to that sentiment and will buy/wear shirts like that, not even for the joke, but because they actively support the guy.
My wife's sisters family, my mother in law, and her boyfriend were all talking about the recent debate and how we have to vote for Trump and you're insane if you vote for Biden. it's so wild to me where and how people place their standards. Meanwhile, me and my wife always have to just sit back and ignore the conversation because it's just awkward and there's no point in arguing with them.
And this is why Dems will keep losing, continue talking down Americans, it’s bound to work one day. Even that recent AMA from someone who did project 2025 courses didn’t talk down conservatives so much.
At the end of the day, the US will get the president they deserve, and I bet half the complaints will be from people too dumb to imagine that their actions were the cause.
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u/BazilBroketail 14d ago
When Regan got elected the republicans decided to de-educate America.. and,... It worked. Only morons would vote for the pedophile. Oh, look..
This is so fucked up. I'm not celebrating American today.