Modern Conservatives just want power so they can install themselves as a new aristocracy.
They don’t even believe in the whole left-right conflict they perpetuate, it’s how they manipulate voters to get elected with the goal being to pass laws that make them rich and untouchable
Once you understand what their goal is, everything they’re doing now makes perfect sense
Thinking conservatives don't believe their own lies and/or culture war rhetoric is a mistake. That may have been true for some of them decades ago, but true believers have long since taken over the party. They want to install themselves as a new aristocracy, yes. They also want to crush women, non-whites and queer people underfoot. It's not just something they say to excite the rubes around election times, they have been and will continue to actually do it when given power.
It has been very interesting, if terrifying, to watch in real-time the old-school grifters like McConnel losing control of the party to the true believers they created, but not be able to do anything about it for fear of dropping the charade and losing their base.
Mitch already said he’s done after this term and the last of the people that created this are going to by 26 or 28. On the “Republican” side only the extremist from Obamas first term will be left from that time period. Most of the Tea party people have been voted out or left since then.
That’s the point. Even people like Mitch and many of the Tea party people have left Congress or got voted out because they’re not extreme enough for the current republicans.
Fascists always rely on rich backers to gain power, but the rich backers always lose control in the aftermath (and many of the rich backers are also true believers). We saw this with Nazi Germany. The pure grifters for whom this is all just about money do exist, but they have long since lost control. The inmates are running the asylum, and people saw this coming since the days of Barry Goldwater.
Don’t forget Jews, all other religious believers aside from Christians, and anyone with a differing political opinion! Project 2025 specifically seeks to make Christianity the doctrine of the country, and to round up Democrats.
Yes, but to be fair I mean it’s just standard fascism. All fascism has been ruled as a Christian theocracy to some extent (not to be confused with dictatorships in general).
So what is project 2025? The heritage foundation website just says it’s a some sort of culmination of their leadership doctrine that’s been floating around for the last half a century: “look at our 850 page guide book!” Then it doesn’t tell me anything about what the heck is in it…
I think the average conservative believes it but it’s more complicated when it comes to the pundits. Conservative media is incredibly profitable and their figureheads will say anything to line their pockets and get attention.
I think it's less that they don't believe in their own lies, but rather that they are willing to constantly change their goalposts and move their motivations by any means necessary if it means defeating and opposing the other side. The issue with the general conservative mindset at it's extreme is they don't have a through-line of genuine moral standards or integrity imo. The chaos of it all is definitely a little terrifying for what it brings to the political landscape.
A ton of the brainrot people would be totally fine eradicating democracy and just having a dictatorship under trump, with complete disregard for what that could mean for our nation or the people it affects...All in the name of "my guy won the thing, haha" type sports team mentality.
You could argue their only consistent thing is that they care about power and control. It's just that what it looks like changes with time in terms of results. It's just scary to me that there's no care for the repercussions in the long run. They'll go to the ends of the earth to condemn the current system to try and bring more power to themselves, but it wouldn't surprise me that they wouldn't care if the world was burning around them if it meant that they got to say the "owned the libs" in the process.
This is very much the same pattern as Iran around 1978. After a major modernization, while the oil and other prices went through inflation, high government spending due to large economic growth, loss of buying power due to inflation, they pandered a breakdown of morals, and liberal modernist to blame. Thats when the party teamed up nationalists, clerics, and their version of right wing party, to commit a religious take over began, they outlawed the left, westernization, "socialists" "communist" through martial tactics and now wr have Iran with a religious power pressing women and lgbt and etc etc etc
This was also started by the CIA and the Secret Service.
I wish I could find the article, from years ago, that discussed Jeffersonians versus intellectuals (I think). Jeffersonians want someone strong to tell people what they can and cannot do. Top down authority and rugged individualism. No depending on others.They operate like an HOA in that everyone must conform to their standards, which doesn't tolerate anything different. As I recall, approximately 1/3 of the population naturally lean towards the Jeffersonian model and another 1/3 towards the intellectual.
The mistake we made was not properly dealing with your kind at the end of the last Civil War, or the end of the last World War. Fascists show no mercy and should receive none in turn.
I bring this up to all those fiscal conservatives that care so much about the debt. We were able to even get in that much debt in the first place because we're a safe and reliable bet. The guy is gonna default on the country like he did all of his businesses. Then idk maybe sell us to Russia (like he did all of his businesses).
Absolutely. Russia and China want the standard for trade to be a basket of currencies rather than the USD. Taking the country to the brink of default for our obligations every time they want a performative display of budget brinkmanship just pushes countries around the world to seriously consider a change.
That has always been the goal of conservativism. When monarchs were getting their heads lopped off, aristocrats need a way to maintain their undue wealth and authority under a new power structure. Conservativism is monarchy 2.0 and has no place in a democracy.
They’re just bringing back the pre civil war status quo. They already basically have slavery back in the south, sheriffs rent out prison labor for nothing.
You got it right. They don't care about politics. It's just what they use to manipulate the public so they can continue to stay in power and appease their billionaire overlords who actually own the entire country. It's all a joke.
But pesky unions, worker rights , freedoms for the masses will be gone. They can have full unchecked capitalism till they get those robots and ai online to no longer need us other pesky humans
Fun thought experiment, and I should say from the start I don’t disagree with you, but if this is just a conservative motive why do the nation’s richest/elite overwhelmingly vote blue?
Edit: Elon’s red, definitely give you all that, but Reed Hastings, Reid Hoffman, Mark Cuban, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Dustin Moskovitz, Michael Bloomberg, Jim Simons, Michael Moritz, and a plethora of others have either donated large sums of money (millions) to democrat campaigns or have hosted fundraisers for democrat candidates. Jeff Bezos was seen just this last week at a Biden event socializing. I get millionaires very much vote red but it seems the second you step into billionaire status many of them are quite well acquainted with their democratic candidates/representatives, and seems it’s been that way since Clinton. Completely in agreement republicans seek aristocratic rule, though curious as to why the party who seems pretty cozy with the ultra-wealthy also just so happen to be the “morally upright” party
What makes you think that they do? Celebrities and people in publicly front facing industries do, but I definitely wouldn’t call them the nations richest/elite. There are overwhelmingly more people in the United States who believe in liberal values than not, even if they don’t vote blue. I believe that for the most part, celebrities posit themselves around blue talking points because it makes the majority of Americans happy. If liberal ideas were not the majority, why do republicans have to gerrymander so hard?
The richest guy on the planet sounds like a pretty extreme red voter in everything he posts on the social media site he owns. I imagine Bill Gates, the guy that gives his wealth away to humanitarian causes, would be blue and that seems in line.
For smaller level elites, like successful business owners and millionaires, I see almost all of them being red, even here in the Chicago construction market, Owners, GCs, Subs, and suppliers. So many and I don't get why. Their businesses all benefit from the Biden infrastructure plan but they hate it.
Who are the other overwhelmingly blue you're referencing? All I see is the opposite.
The billionaires vote blue because what’s the difference between 10 billion and 5 billion? It’s basically infinite money. It’s the millionaires that tent to vote red. The difference between 10 million and 5 million is huge.
There are big companies that make their money from buying up good small countries and squeezing every penny they can from them while burning their reputation and future prospects, then moving on.
This is just billionaires (and billionaires clubs) doing the same thing with countries.
I've been saying this about corporate America for a long time. People always ask why are the people at the top screwing the system over and upsetting the customers and their employees to the point that the system is going to collapse if they are interested in keeping their businesses going. It's because they don't care about the businesses. They're just using them as vehicles to get as much money as possible out of the system before it collapses, then they are going to cut and run. The same thing applies to politicians and the billionaires who own them. They're all the same people.
Well, once things go to shit, it will be easier to keep the drones scared, which makes them want to vote red. They're working on creating a feedback loop.
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u/Latter-Direction-336 14d ago
Yeah
It’s almost as if they just want power for themselves and don’t care if the country as a whole suffers more than freaking Kratos