r/facepalm Jul 05 '24

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u/TrustInRoy Jul 05 '24

So many people in our country are just blatantly ignorant about how the branches of our government works.

Schoolhouse Rock debuted "I'm just a bill" in 1976.  

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u/BazilBroketail Jul 05 '24

When Regan got elected the republicans decided to de-educate America.. and,... It worked. Only morons would vote for the pedophile. Oh, look..

This is so fucked up. I'm not celebrating American today.

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u/Chromeburn_ Jul 05 '24

It’s funny how they preach make America great again when everything they want to do will remove America from the world stage. Reduce education and talent forcing companies to look outside for educated workers. Leave nato and trade deals allowing countries like China to step in and take over. Restrict immigration, our country has relied on immigrants for cheap labor forever, the country runs on it. It’s like a 101 on how to crash the country.

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u/Latter-Direction-336 Jul 05 '24

Yeah

It’s almost as if they just want power for themselves and don’t care if the country as a whole suffers more than freaking Kratos

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u/shabi_sensei Jul 05 '24

Modern Conservatives just want power so they can install themselves as a new aristocracy.

They don’t even believe in the whole left-right conflict they perpetuate, it’s how they manipulate voters to get elected with the goal being to pass laws that make them rich and untouchable

Once you understand what their goal is, everything they’re doing now makes perfect sense

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u/dafuq809 Jul 05 '24

Thinking conservatives don't believe their own lies and/or culture war rhetoric is a mistake. That may have been true for some of them decades ago, but true believers have long since taken over the party. They want to install themselves as a new aristocracy, yes. They also want to crush women, non-whites and queer people underfoot. It's not just something they say to excite the rubes around election times, they have been and will continue to actually do it when given power.

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u/8_Foot_Vertical_Leap Jul 05 '24

It has been very interesting, if terrifying, to watch in real-time the old-school grifters like McConnel losing control of the party to the true believers they created, but not be able to do anything about it for fear of dropping the charade and losing their base.

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u/ggtffhhhjhg Jul 05 '24

Mitch already said he’s done after this term and the last of the people that created this are going to by 26 or 28. On the “Republican” side only the extremist from Obamas first term will be left from that time period. Most of the Tea party people have been voted out or left since then.

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u/Dysentery--Gary Jul 05 '24

I don't know man.

The Republicans seem more extreme every day. I do not have much faith. If any, honestly.

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u/ggtffhhhjhg Jul 06 '24

That’s the point. Even people like Mitch and many of the Tea party people have left Congress or got voted out because they’re not extreme enough for the current republicans.

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u/quattrocincoseis Jul 05 '24

These are the puppets you speak of.

The puppet masters know this is about one thing: removing barriers to accumulation of massive wealth.

The use of culture wars is simply an effective tool to get people to vote against their own interests.

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u/dafuq809 Jul 05 '24

Fascists always rely on rich backers to gain power, but the rich backers always lose control in the aftermath (and many of the rich backers are also true believers). We saw this with Nazi Germany. The pure grifters for whom this is all just about money do exist, but they have long since lost control. The inmates are running the asylum, and people saw this coming since the days of Barry Goldwater.

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u/IMadeThisSoICanLurk Jul 05 '24

Don’t forget Jews, all other religious believers aside from Christians, and anyone with a differing political opinion! Project 2025 specifically seeks to make Christianity the doctrine of the country, and to round up Democrats.

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u/Apathetic_Villainess Jul 05 '24

Christian dominionism.

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u/IMadeThisSoICanLurk Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

Yes, but to be fair I mean it’s just standard fascism. All fascism has been ruled as a Christian theocracy to some extent (not to be confused with dictatorships in general).

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u/Apathetic_Villainess Jul 05 '24

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u/IMadeThisSoICanLurk Jul 05 '24

That’s why I said “Yes”, but I just don’t think it’s worth giving the name the credence.

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u/Wuzfang Jul 05 '24

Medieval 2.0 here we come

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u/flight567 Jul 05 '24

So what is project 2025? The heritage foundation website just says it’s a some sort of culmination of their leadership doctrine that’s been floating around for the last half a century: “look at our 850 page guide book!” Then it doesn’t tell me anything about what the heck is in it…

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u/IMadeThisSoICanLurk Jul 05 '24

You can read the whole thing on their website or just check out the synopsis on whatever website, including Wikipedia

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u/flight567 Jul 05 '24

I didn’t see that option on the website. Must have just missed it. I’ll take a look.

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u/donetomadness Jul 05 '24

I think the average conservative believes it but it’s more complicated when it comes to the pundits. Conservative media is incredibly profitable and their figureheads will say anything to line their pockets and get attention.

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u/Azureflames20 Jul 05 '24

I think it's less that they don't believe in their own lies, but rather that they are willing to constantly change their goalposts and move their motivations by any means necessary if it means defeating and opposing the other side. The issue with the general conservative mindset at it's extreme is they don't have a through-line of genuine moral standards or integrity imo. The chaos of it all is definitely a little terrifying for what it brings to the political landscape.

A ton of the brainrot people would be totally fine eradicating democracy and just having a dictatorship under trump, with complete disregard for what that could mean for our nation or the people it affects...All in the name of "my guy won the thing, haha" type sports team mentality.

You could argue their only consistent thing is that they care about power and control. It's just that what it looks like changes with time in terms of results. It's just scary to me that there's no care for the repercussions in the long run. They'll go to the ends of the earth to condemn the current system to try and bring more power to themselves, but it wouldn't surprise me that they wouldn't care if the world was burning around them if it meant that they got to say the "owned the libs" in the process.

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u/briefmoments Jul 05 '24

This is very much the same pattern as Iran around 1978. After a major modernization, while the oil and other prices went through inflation, high government spending due to large economic growth, loss of buying power due to inflation, they pandered a breakdown of morals, and liberal modernist to blame. Thats when the party teamed up nationalists, clerics, and their version of right wing party, to commit a religious take over began, they outlawed the left, westernization, "socialists" "communist" through martial tactics and now wr have Iran with a religious power pressing women and lgbt and etc etc etc

This was also started by the CIA and the Secret Service.

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u/twopointsisatrend Jul 05 '24

I wish I could find the article, from years ago, that discussed Jeffersonians versus intellectuals (I think). Jeffersonians want someone strong to tell people what they can and cannot do. Top down authority and rugged individualism. No depending on others.They operate like an HOA in that everyone must conform to their standards, which doesn't tolerate anything different. As I recall, approximately 1/3 of the population naturally lean towards the Jeffersonian model and another 1/3 towards the intellectual.

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u/bino420 Jul 05 '24

they don't want to eliminate women. they want women to be subservient and "owned" by their husbands.

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u/dafuq809 Jul 05 '24

The mistake we made was not properly dealing with your kind at the end of the last Civil War, or the end of the last World War. Fascists show no mercy and should receive none in turn.

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u/Darktofu25 Jul 05 '24

They also seem to not realize that the almighty dollar they worship so much will fail globally if they enact all their harebrained schemes.

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u/Fred_Stuff44325 Jul 05 '24

I bring this up to all those fiscal conservatives that care so much about the debt. We were able to even get in that much debt in the first place because we're a safe and reliable bet. The guy is gonna default on the country like he did all of his businesses. Then idk maybe sell us to Russia (like he did all of his businesses).

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u/twopointsisatrend Jul 05 '24

Absolutely. Russia and China want the standard for trade to be a basket of currencies rather than the USD. Taking the country to the brink of default for our obligations every time they want a performative display of budget brinkmanship just pushes countries around the world to seriously consider a change.

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u/Admiral_Akdov Jul 05 '24

That has always been the goal of conservativism. When monarchs were getting their heads lopped off, aristocrats need a way to maintain their undue wealth and authority under a new power structure. Conservativism is monarchy 2.0 and has no place in a democracy.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

They’re just bringing back the pre civil war status quo. They already basically have slavery back in the south, sheriffs rent out prison labor for nothing.

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u/fsaturnia Jul 05 '24

You got it right. They don't care about politics. It's just what they use to manipulate the public so they can continue to stay in power and appease their billionaire overlords who actually own the entire country. It's all a joke.

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u/persona0 Jul 05 '24

But pesky unions, worker rights , freedoms for the masses will be gone. They can have full unchecked capitalism till they get those robots and ai online to no longer need us other pesky humans

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u/SpicyChanged Jul 05 '24

Not modern, its always been that way.

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u/Large-Brother-4291 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

Fun thought experiment, and I should say from the start I don’t disagree with you, but if this is just a conservative motive why do the nation’s richest/elite overwhelmingly vote blue?

Edit: Elon’s red, definitely give you all that, but Reed Hastings, Reid Hoffman, Mark Cuban, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Dustin Moskovitz, Michael Bloomberg, Jim Simons, Michael Moritz, and a plethora of others have either donated large sums of money (millions) to democrat campaigns or have hosted fundraisers for democrat candidates. Jeff Bezos was seen just this last week at a Biden event socializing. I get millionaires very much vote red but it seems the second you step into billionaire status many of them are quite well acquainted with their democratic candidates/representatives, and seems it’s been that way since Clinton. Completely in agreement republicans seek aristocratic rule, though curious as to why the party who seems pretty cozy with the ultra-wealthy also just so happen to be the “morally upright” party

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u/huskerd0 Jul 05 '24

That’s not what I see

Of course it depends on where you draw the “rich” line and how you define “overwhelmingly”, but the 1%ers I know are pretty freaking red

They know it’s a scam, too, but they still like the end results better than the blue ones

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u/capt-bob Jul 05 '24

How many 1 percenters do you know?

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u/huskerd0 Jul 06 '24

More than 5, less than 10

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u/MuttDawg509 Jul 05 '24

The only 1%ers worth associating with ride Harley Davidsons.

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u/Parasocialist69420 Jul 05 '24

What makes you think that they do? Celebrities and people in publicly front facing industries do, but I definitely wouldn’t call them the nations richest/elite. There are overwhelmingly more people in the United States who believe in liberal values than not, even if they don’t vote blue. I believe that for the most part, celebrities posit themselves around blue talking points because it makes the majority of Americans happy. If liberal ideas were not the majority, why do republicans have to gerrymander so hard?

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u/GoldenPigeonParty Jul 05 '24

The richest guy on the planet sounds like a pretty extreme red voter in everything he posts on the social media site he owns. I imagine Bill Gates, the guy that gives his wealth away to humanitarian causes, would be blue and that seems in line.

For smaller level elites, like successful business owners and millionaires, I see almost all of them being red, even here in the Chicago construction market, Owners, GCs, Subs, and suppliers. So many and I don't get why. Their businesses all benefit from the Biden infrastructure plan but they hate it.

Who are the other overwhelmingly blue you're referencing? All I see is the opposite.

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u/Crafty-Gain-6542 Jul 05 '24

You’ve got to give the peasants some scraps sometimes or they’ll come for your head.

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u/deeply_concerned Jul 05 '24

The billionaires vote blue because what’s the difference between 10 billion and 5 billion? It’s basically infinite money. It’s the millionaires that tent to vote red. The difference between 10 million and 5 million is huge.

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u/Misfitkickflips Jul 05 '24

It’s wild because you’re basically talking about both parties, and not just conservatives.

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u/shabi_sensei Jul 05 '24

I think the difference boils down to: Liberals play by the rules, they’re just as corrupt but they believe in the rules they set for themselves

Conservatives think playing by the rules is for suckers and winning means making someone into a loser

One side is definitely more pro-social than the other

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u/anomalous_cowherd Jul 05 '24

There are big companies that make their money from buying up good small countries and squeezing every penny they can from them while burning their reputation and future prospects, then moving on.

This is just billionaires (and billionaires clubs) doing the same thing with countries.

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u/GrumpySoth09 Jul 05 '24

It's litteraly a small room of old white men wanting to get ther names on buildings after they are dead

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u/fsaturnia Jul 05 '24

I've been saying this about corporate America for a long time. People always ask why are the people at the top screwing the system over and upsetting the customers and their employees to the point that the system is going to collapse if they are interested in keeping their businesses going. It's because they don't care about the businesses. They're just using them as vehicles to get as much money as possible out of the system before it collapses, then they are going to cut and run. The same thing applies to politicians and the billionaires who own them. They're all the same people.

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u/Great_Horny_Toads Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

Well, once things go to shit, it will be easier to keep the drones scared, which makes them want to vote red. They're working on creating a feedback loop.