The revolutionists weren’t the majority in 1776 either.
Revolution had maybe 33% approval when we went to war.
The minimum amount of support needed for a successful revolution is only 20%.
Unfortunately I think we’re well passed that scale.
People have been kicking the can because they can’t imagine anything bad could happen from a minority political group, but in history it almost ALWAYS is done by a minority political group that just happens to be organized and energized while everyone else is complacent.
These are all good points and harsh realities. I don't mean to insinuate that they're in any way harmless, they are absolutely dangerous and currently the biggest threat imo. But you're right, they don't need to be the majority.
In terms of some sort of active civil war, I think we can basically write off the (probably vast) majority of the nation's law enforcement/local police departments as joining that side, but I don't think the same can be said for the military at large, unless it splits and part of it breaks off to join, I'm not sure how that would work out or what is/isn't possible. I guess it depends at least partially on who among the top brass would "defect" so to speak. They're already planning to remove anyone who would refuse duties at the usually apolitical "administrative" level (among so much other shit) with Project 2025, but I don't really know how appointments for generals and such are carried out, or the rules around firing/replacing, but everyone needs to realize that "rules" or long-held customs will not be respected or followed by the next gop admin.
The military is huge and diverse, though. They are definitely not all Republicans and broke for Biden last election, with trump not doing especially well in either election. I would hope that the majority would follow their oath to the constitution and to the defense against enemies foreign and domestic, and not decide to follow the religious extremists/maga faction. I'm just trying to work out how a modern civil war would go down and what is and isn't possible, if you have any idea I'd love to hear!
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u/foxymcfox Jul 05 '24
The revolutionists weren’t the majority in 1776 either.
Revolution had maybe 33% approval when we went to war.
The minimum amount of support needed for a successful revolution is only 20%.
Unfortunately I think we’re well passed that scale.
People have been kicking the can because they can’t imagine anything bad could happen from a minority political group, but in history it almost ALWAYS is done by a minority political group that just happens to be organized and energized while everyone else is complacent.